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January 02, 2019, 08:59:13 PM
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It is a nice theory but you failed to prove that there is any correlation between the stock market and the market of cryptocurrencies, you are forgetting something very important cryptocurrencies are not assets but currencies, so a better example could be a comparison between currencies and bitcoin and we have seen that whenever a currency crashes the price of bitcoin in that country begins to go up because the demand increases.



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January 02, 2019, 11:52:02 PM
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so a better example could be a comparison between currencies and bitcoin and we have seen that whenever a currency crashes the price of bitcoin in that country begins to go up because the demand increases.
I haven't seen that, could you point me to an example where a fiat currency crashed and Bitcoin actually went up as result of that? If you refer to what's happening in Venezuela and Turkey, then I have to disagree.

The volumes there are so low, that there is no way they can even remotely affect the price in any shape or form. People assume it affects Bitcoin because news outlets make it seem like that, but it's not true.

News outlets have been spreading nonsense around Bitcoin adoption in various countries while there isn't much happening on that front at all. Most people have no way to verify what news outlets publish so they believe it.

 
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January 03, 2019, 01:18:01 AM
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we do not see an indication that everything is manipulation. but in fact when the bitcoin as the number 1 coin in crypto falls, the altcoin below falls even deeper. it is a fact in the market and we cannot deny it.
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January 03, 2019, 08:02:04 AM
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This drop in bitcoin didn't started out when the markets fell, that is what people are missing. I mean october was the time nasdaq started to fall whereas bitcoin was already at around 6500 or so by summer, after october the only fall happened after Craig and Jihan all sold their coins to fuel their war on bitcoin cash and that had nothing to do with the markets.

Basically there is no relation between alternative markets and traditional markets, there is nothing that combines them or ties them together. Hence, they can go up together, they can go down together, one can go up while the other goes down, anything could happen and we can't be really surprised because they have no connection, no matter what happens all would be just coincidence. Until markets open up for crypto of course, if nasdaq lists bitcoin than there could be a connection.
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January 03, 2019, 09:31:33 AM
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when the crypto market falls down alternative market like cryptocurrencies and commodities market to face the heat mostly technology related assets or shares are badly efforted we can expect the bounce back once the market recovers
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January 03, 2019, 09:35:51 AM
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it seems that it will not be possible and the traditional market will still remain because not everyone who understands cryptocurrency or other digital currencies so that until the end of this earth revolves, there will still be traditional exchange places in various countries.

 
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January 03, 2019, 12:48:33 PM
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it seems that it will not be possible and the traditional market will still remain because not everyone who understands cryptocurrency or other digital currencies so that until the end of this earth revolves, there will still be traditional exchange places in various countries.
You may right but actually, it is very impossible for bitcoin/cryptocurrencies to be dead, it is still young and there are still lots of things cryptocurrency can be developed. There were lots of people told that the bitcoin would go dead when it was in its very low amounts when it went high, the people say it will die, and then now that it is in its neutral price, people also, tell that it will die. It is very pointless though there will always be some people who are not an optimist we will see what will happen and let's just be ready.

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January 03, 2019, 01:36:07 PM
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The previous btc price crashes were due to the crypto market being very small and very manipulated.
Now the market is still manipulated,but it's way harder than before.Bitcoin isn't old and rusty.BTC transactions aren't that expensive.All the comparisons between bitcoin and myspace,shitty dot-com companies and tulips are nonsense.Bitcoin will recover,because the crypto whales will pump it again.  

I somewhat agree to this one, but partially. Bitcoin is not dependent to real world stuff perfectly because it’s decentralsied and regardless of other changes in Fortune 500 companies (example) it doesn’t matter to bitcoin at all. Bitcoin is also not controlled by whales now a days as its use is more conventional now than before. Smiley So yup I do agree to you that it somehow independent of those X markets out there.

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January 04, 2019, 09:24:01 AM
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Stop dreaming bro. No one can ascertain that the crypto market is somehow attached to the movement of the stock market and even if it is, you think machines are the ones controlling the market? You and I as well as every other humans including the whales and institutions are, and in this case, if the stock market is going down, the next phase for most people is to look for where to hedge their funds for more increase. The crypto space looks blown out already to me, so I wonder where you are seeing your own death from?

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January 04, 2019, 09:40:56 AM
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This because most of the crypto are just altcoins for bitcoin. This is the reason why all of the crypto in the market will be influence by bitcoin market price movement. What you say is really true about the fall of this altcoins but mind you that altcoins also could go a good market price increase than bitcoin.

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January 04, 2019, 09:51:13 AM
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It may change as well on some occasions so it really depends about the current economic situation of the world.Now the stocks are getting low with the crypto currencies but investment like gold still at the same range.

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January 04, 2019, 07:34:04 PM
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it seems that it will not be possible and the traditional market will still remain because not everyone who understands cryptocurrency or other digital currencies so that until the end of this earth revolves, there will still be traditional exchange places in various countries.

You could be right that real market is not going to fall ever it will maintain good price value and it will never end at all. This only changes to give us better opportunities but never get down to make the alternatives down. The other basic thing we really need to know is that apparently both the alternative market has no connection with traditional market both are totally changed.

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January 04, 2019, 07:44:22 PM
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If you compare the dow jones, or the S&P 500 to the bitcoin chart you can notice that the stock's have been in a rally since 2009 right when bitcoin was just created, this means that the crypto currency space has never experienced a stock bear market, because stocks have been bullish since 2009 and right now they are starting to fall and I believe there will be a bigger crash than the one that happened in 2008-2009, based on this we can say that all the thousand's of bitcoin "deaths" where just mere corrections, like when bitcoin went from 30$ to 2$ when it went from 1200$ to 200$ and now from 20k to 3k all of the previous corrections where with a bullish stock market, but now the stock market for the first time since 2009 is beginning to plunge and is taking cryptos down with it, something that hasn't happened in the previous btc "deaths"

The train of events doesn't seem to follow your big story, bro. Bitcoin had been crashing through the whole 2018, and according to your logic, it should be crashing even stronger now, probably into the three digits territory already. I don't think we are on the rise yet but we may well be past the lowest point. For me, your correlation is far-fetched. It is not impossible that alternative markets will justify their name and reveal inverse relationship with the stock market.

Bitcoin doesn't pay dividends as it is a form of money, a sound money at that. I can say that when people are buying coins they don't intend on selling them later at a loss. In this manner, there is little correlation with how the stock market fares. When the stock market goes to hell, sound money goes to heaven.
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for the token market circulation that you might focus on may depend on the trading volume of the token, as long as the token has a trading volume then the exchange will still provide an opportunity to remain registered at the exchange, but if the trading volume is not there at all maybe it will make the token a delete list from the exchange.

because the exchange will only continue to provide a list of tokens that have a high trading volume to remain in the exchange.

 
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January 05, 2019, 05:36:49 PM
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The main issue in this regard with the crypto market is that the only channel to investing is through FIAT such as USD.
No, I'm having enough services to invest into cryptos with my local fiats and I'm not completely depending on USD hence it means I'm not depending on US economy with the respect to crypto investments at least.

If there's an economic crash in the US and people try to cut their investments then there will be less dollars to flow in to crypto.
Again you are wrong, when there will be a crash in US, then there will be more money flow into crypto but you're stating people will cut. Because, people will not invest into US based stocks but they will look for other investment opportunities.

Within crypto there would likely be no the same struggles, that's why low cap alts that only seem to trade BTC/alt don't have too much fluctuation in times like this.
Those lowcap markets are not fluctuating due to various reasons, one of them must be due to lack of new investors but it is very loosely tied but the downfall of crypto market as you have mentioned. There are altccoins which are performing well even entire crypto market was falling down, good example in recent times is waves.


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January 06, 2019, 05:58:53 AM
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Yes that do happen to stock markets and the rest of them, but I don’t think it happens to cryptocurrency market. Cryptocurrency has no connections to other markets and no one controls the cryptocurrency market, that’s why no one can close down the crypto market. Sometimes, forks can be a reason as to why prices fall. When a cryptocurrency is forked the price is affected heavily.
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January 06, 2019, 06:56:10 AM
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Yes that do happen to stock markets and the rest of them, but I don’t think it happens to cryptocurrency market. Cryptocurrency has no connections to other markets and no one controls the cryptocurrency market, that’s why no one can close down the crypto market. Sometimes, forks can be a reason as to why prices fall. When a cryptocurrency is forked the price is affected heavily.
right, with a decentralized system, cryptocurrency is formed from requests and offers that occur, although there is no connection with others, but because of their nature, the whales often play the market

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It may change as well on some occasions so it really depends about the current economic situation of the world.Now the stocks are getting low with the crypto currencies but investment like gold still at the same range.
No gold is not good or meaningful investment as well as I think both traditional and alternative market has no connection. According to me the alternative market is about crypto which is different than the traditional both of them has no connection so it’s useless to  compare both.

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January 06, 2019, 11:11:33 PM
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This because most of the crypto are just altcoins for bitcoin. This is the reason why all of the crypto in the market will be influence by bitcoin market price movement. What you say is really true about the fall of this altcoins but mind you that altcoins also could go a good market price increase than bitcoin.


for now we certainly don't know yet, whether bitcoin and alt coin will later increase altcoin. because we cannot easily predict the situation in the future. so it takes time to find out, and when it happens we know it.
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This because most of the crypto are just altcoins for bitcoin. This is the reason why all of the crypto in the market will be influence by bitcoin market price movement. What you say is really true about the fall of this altcoins but mind you that altcoins also could go a good market price increase than bitcoin.


for now we certainly don't know yet, whether bitcoin and alt coin will later increase altcoin. because we cannot easily predict the situation in the future. so it takes time to find out, and when it happens we know it.
for a prediction, I think bitcoin will affect other altcoins. but indeed in its development the altcoin must have the potential to develop together. and that is only a prediction, there is no certainty in it

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