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Author Topic: [2018-12-19] Electrum Wallet Attack May Have Stolen As Much as 245 Bitcoin!  (Read 355 times)
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December 30, 2018, 08:00:19 PM
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Maybe soon people won't even remember what a private key is.

Unfortunately, that's the case already to a small (but constantly growing) degree. There where you have a problem popping up, some entity will use that problem in its advantage to develop a whole new set of products, where these products being insured is a very important one. It completely takes out the risk for the buyer, whoever that may be, and that's what the non crypto enthusiasts are looking for in the end.

Financial institutions are champions in creating new products, and I'm sure one of the mega banks will pop up and feast on a whole new group of investors looking to buy into Bitcoin's exposure. Let's be honest, most of them don't need a new form of money, they just want to be part of the new thing that keeps going up. If there is demand for centralized products, the supply will be there as well.
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December 30, 2018, 08:56:27 PM
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why not?

Because numpties respond to phone calls from fake bank fraud departments all the time and told to send their money to other accounts for 'safekeeping,'

Similarly you get man in the middle stuff where the bank details of house sales are sent through a hijacked email and off goes someone's money to a scammer.

You'd think that since it's all on their ledger banks would be able to squash moves like this flat immediately but a lot of the time they don't and tell the customer they're on their own. Crypto totally removes that ability, not that they seem to exercise it at present.

This is how it is in the UK where bank transfers are instant and free. It may well be different in countries with third world banking like the US.

it would actually work quite the same. if banks already tell customers they're on their own with bank transfers, why can't that apply to crypto? crypto doesn't remove that ability at all since it's all internal ledgers until interbank settlement occurs. whether we're talking bank wires or on-chain settlements between banks, once interbank settlement occurs, customers who got scammed are out of luck because the money is gone. same as today.

banks may protect consumers from fraudulent use of credit cards under specific circumstances, but it's not their job to reimburse customers for irreversible payments like wires and cash withdrawals. the same applies to crypto depositors who withdrawal to external addresses.

within the banking app, i think it would work the same as credit cards today---you have a trusted network processor like mastercard. these can be protected from fraudulent use like credit card purchases because it's pre-settlement.

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December 31, 2018, 12:03:06 AM
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Big Electrum user here, and the increased threats we've seen to me is a compliment to Electrum's reach and popularity. I wouldn't say it's more vulnerable than other clients in its class - kind of the same argument that Chrome is more vulnerable than Vivaldi because it's got more attacks on it.

I think that's the case too. It's extremely popular. Years ago, it was estimated to account for 10% of the world's Bitcoin transactions, and its visibility has only grown over time. Countless altcoins have forked Electrum too, signifying its popularity. It's the best lightweight wallet on the market so it has a large contingent of casual and newbie users -- who have big targets on their back.

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December 31, 2018, 02:59:35 PM
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Maybe soon people won't even remember what a private key is.

Unfortunately, that's the case already to a small (but constantly growing) degree. There where you have a problem popping up, some entity will use that problem in its advantage to develop a whole new set of products, where these products being insured is a very important one. It completely takes out the risk for the buyer, whoever that may be, and that's what the non crypto enthusiasts are looking for in the end.

Financial institutions are champions in creating new products, and I'm sure one of the mega banks will pop up and feast on a whole new group of investors looking to buy into Bitcoin's exposure. Let's be honest, most of them don't need a new form of money, they just want to be part of the new thing that keeps going up. If there is demand for centralized products, the supply will be there as well.

Yeap. Custodial services and insured deposits are going to be the main attraction (even though it's been pointed out that not a single one of those hacked exchanges in South Korea or Japan, supposedly insured with licences, have actually paid out a single cent in insurance!).

For now, the neo banks are leading the way, but I'm seeing now consultancies like Accenture already offering wholesale banking products - blockchain-based - and recruiting the talents for that too. Can't tell what these are exactly, but they're all spins on crypto and like you said, feeding the demand.

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December 31, 2018, 04:13:03 PM
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Yeap. Custodial services and insured deposits are going to be the main attraction (even though it's been pointed out that not a single one of those hacked exchanges in South Korea or Japan, supposedly insured with licences, have actually paid out a single cent in insurance!).

I would be extremely curious to see if anyone ever gets a successful insurance payout if they were cleaned out.

The only Western one I can think of was Bitpay trying to claim $1 million when an employee was old school phished or something. They were told to bugger off.

It's almost always someone being slack somewhere which is exactly the type of thing insurers use to reject claims.
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December 31, 2018, 09:14:59 PM
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Yeap. Custodial services and insured deposits are going to be the main attraction (even though it's been pointed out that not a single one of those hacked exchanges in South Korea or Japan, supposedly insured with licences, have actually paid out a single cent in insurance!).

I would be extremely curious to see if anyone ever gets a successful insurance payout if they were cleaned out.

The only Western one I can think of was Bitpay trying to claim $1 million when an employee was old school phished or something. They were told to bugger off.

that's totally different though. deposit insurance protects depositors from the bank's losses (or an exchange's). if a bank gets robbed or an exchange gets hacked, it covers depositors.

in the bitpay incident, the policy only covered unauthorized access (hacking) of bitpay's system. that's why the court dismissed the case pretty quickly---bitpay executives got fooled by spoofed emails. there was no hacking.

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