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January 04, 2019, 01:26:57 PM
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I know this topic has been discussed before and part of this post includes my suggestion on another thread.

A lot of times people are confused about why they are banned or had a message deleted. It would be good if the offending post  and the reason from the reporter was included in the ban or deletion message.

It will reduce recidivism due to ignorance.

Alternatively a tickbox system could be used where the moderator has found the post.

Here is my previous suggestion - this could be further simplified to make the moderators job streamlined.



I think with any deletion it would be really good to include the reason for the deletion. It could be as simple as including the text of the initial report or a tickbox system so it is clear why the person is banned or post was deleted. It will prevent recurrence of rule breaking by those that don't intent to break the rules.

Link to rules.

Permaban:
☐ Plagiarism / copy and paste without attribution
☐ Persistent Spam
☐ Ban evasion
☐ Exploiting forum code
☐ Banned multiple times previously - ignored warnings
☐ Other - comment ..............

Deletion / Short term ban
☐ Advertising / Spam not related to thread
☐ Off topic
☑ Low quality post
☐ Too many bumps, "updates" per 24 hours
☐ Trolling   
☐ Threatening behavior
☐ Begging
☐ Un-deleted old bump
☐ Referral link
☐ Link to illegal site
☐ NSFW images / No NSFW warning
☐ Duplicate posts
☐ Foreign language on English board
☐ Altcoin giveaway (not in bounty thread)
☐ Incorrect message board
☐ Multiple sales threads for same items
☐ Sale of illegal goods
☐ Consecutive posts in the same thread (by same account or alt accounts)
☐ Link shortner that requires viewing of advertisement
☐ Translation created by automated translation tool
☐ Other - comment ..............

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January 04, 2019, 01:37:41 PM
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It would be very helpful to those who had their posts deleted for one reason or the other, and would prevent the same situation recurring. And if the users keeps getting their posts deleted for the same reason, they could be temporarily banned from posting on the forum. This most not include the full limitations of a temporary ban, but they would not be allowed to post on the forum.

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January 04, 2019, 01:48:58 PM
 #3

I've categorized the list a bit better:

Permaban:
☐ Plagiarism / copy and paste without attribution
☐ Persistent Spam
☐ Ban evasion
☐ Exploiting forum code
☐ Banned multiple times previously - ignored moderator warnings
☐ Other - comment ..............

Deletion / Short term ban:

Content
☐ Advertising / Spam not related to thread
☐ Off topic
☑ Low quality post
☐ NSFW images / No NSFW warning
☐ Duplicate posts
☐ Foreign language on English board
☐ Translation created by automated translation tool

Conduct
☐ Trolling   
☐ Threatening behavior
☐ Begging
☐ Altcoin giveaway (not in bounty thread)
☐ Multiple sales threads for same items
☐ Sale of illegal goods
☐ Consecutive posts in the same thread (by same account or alt accounts)

Bumps
☐ Un-deleted old bump
☐ Too many bumps, "updates" per 24 hours

Links
☐ Referral link
☐ Link to illegal site
☐ Link shortner that requires viewing of advertisement

Other
☐ Other - comment ..............

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January 04, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
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Good idea and an improvement, I think though for some things you will need provide the offending text as an example or you will still get questions.

 "recidivism" nice word



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January 04, 2019, 02:01:40 PM
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Reasons for temp bans are already given. Most of the things that get suggested to improve the forum are all things that have been suggested before including this. The problem is I'm not sure how much time theymos wants to spend on coding things for this forum, so we'll probably just have to make do with the recent change to the autoban message.

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January 04, 2019, 03:18:57 PM
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Deletion / Short term ban:
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☐ Altcoin giveaway (not in bounty thread)
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Thread or section? Thread is a topic with replies, am I right?

I reported bounty threads in altcoins/tokens ann section to be moved in bounty section before, and they were really moved.

The next time I'll see a bounty thread outside bounty section, I'll try to report them to be deleted. Let's see if the efforts of the thread starter and bounty hunters will somehow be wasted.

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January 04, 2019, 09:30:48 PM
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Deletion / Short term ban:
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☐ Altcoin giveaway (not in bounty thread)
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Thread or section? Thread is a topic with replies, am I right?

I reported bounty threads in altcoins/tokens ann section to be moved in bounty section before, and they were really moved.

The next time I'll see a bounty thread outside bounty section, I'll try to report them to be deleted. Let's see if the efforts of the thread starter and bounty hunters will somehow be wasted.

Deletion  & ban is for incentivised posting. I think if it is a bounty ann thread and it is clear the moderators just shift it (best solution because bounty Ann are allowed) . Other types of altcoin givaways however are not permitted and can result in a temporary ban. ( ive seen even participants of such threads get a temp ban)

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January 04, 2019, 09:48:56 PM
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The problem is I'm not sure how much time theymos wants to spend on coding things for this forum
Theymos's time seems always to be the excuse for these things.  Can't he either delegate some duties to staff or get some volunteer help here? 

We all know damn well there's no lack of coders on bitcointalk, and I'm pretty sure some of them wouldn't mind helping out.  We already see that in the way that quite a few members, on their own time, come up with detailed suggestions about solutions to some of the problems the forum has.  That way Theymos wouldn't have to spend any more of his precious time creating a fix from scratch and would only have to review the submitted code and either reject it or accept it and then implement it. 

I don't claim to know how Theymos spends his time, but it does seem obvious that he ought to get some people involved.  He can easily do that without relinquishing any sort of control over the forum, if that's the problem.  The problem is I have no idea what the problem is with him.  lol

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January 04, 2019, 10:00:04 PM
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The problem is I'm not sure how much time theymos wants to spend on coding things for this forum
Theymos's time seems always to be the excuse for these things.  Can't he either delegate some duties to staff or get some volunteer help here?  

We all know damn well there's no lack of coders on bitcointalk, and I'm pretty sure some of them wouldn't mind helping out.  We already see that in the way that quite a few members, on their own time, come up with detailed suggestions about solutions to some of the problems the forum has.  That way Theymos wouldn't have to spend any more of his precious time creating a fix from scratch and would only have to review the submitted code and either reject it or accept it and then implement it.  

I don't claim to know how Theymos spends his time, but it does seem obvious that he ought to get some people involved.  He can easily do that without relinquishing any sort of control over the forum, if that's the problem.  The problem is I have no idea what the problem is with him.  lol

I also don't claim to know the exact reasons but the forum has had three major hacks. I think Theymos is concerned about security breaches if too much is delegated to others.

A security breach is potentially very serious. Just think of the potential phishing, inconvenience, data loss and privacy issues it could cause.

Anything crypto is likely to be targeted by hackers. I also don't know what the progress is with the new forum software. It could be just around the corner, years away or shelved.

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January 05, 2019, 07:23:14 AM
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Yep, have same doubt from much time and cannot understand why theymos is not interested in making the forum experience better?
Yes I know he has less time to spend on development here but he can utilize the same time in just accepting and rejecting some codes as you suggested. I also think some of the people (including me) would be happy to work for free here in the development of forum.

Hope @theymos replies here with a answer!


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January 05, 2019, 01:12:08 PM
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The problem is I'm not sure how much time theymos wants to spend on coding things for this forum
Theymos's time seems always to be the excuse for these things.  Can't he either delegate some duties to staff or get some volunteer help here? 

We all know damn well there's no lack of coders on bitcointalk, and I'm pretty sure some of them wouldn't mind helping out.  We already see that in the way that quite a few members, on their own time, come up with detailed suggestions about solutions to some of the problems the forum has.  That way Theymos wouldn't have to spend any more of his precious time creating a fix from scratch and would only have to review the submitted code and either reject it or accept it and then implement it. 

I don't claim to know how Theymos spends his time, but it does seem obvious that he ought to get some people involved.  He can easily do that without relinquishing any sort of control over the forum, if that's the problem.  The problem is I have no idea what the problem is with him.  lol

Workload should be delegated more from a staff standpoint, but coding the forum is another thing. He did hire someone (Slickage) to do that but not sure what the status of that is and whether theymos is just doing that full time now. We still could probably do with a couple more staff (in various capacities), or at the very least some dedicated sub board mods being attached to subs like Bitcoin Discussion etc and that's something I've been requesting for a while. As for whether other people can help out with the coding side of things only theymos can answer that.

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