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Question: Is it OK to send merits to your own alts?
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January 05, 2019, 12:10:54 AM
Merited by ICOEthics (3), Foxpup (2), mikeywith (2)
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Please vote and make a post explaining your vote.

I'm strongly against sending merits between alts. The proper use of the merit system is to award good posts. Users can't objectively judge their own posts. Self-awarded merits are as meaningless as if we allowed users to choose their own ranks, and essentially that's what self-awarded merits do.

But I'm being attacked for that opinion so I'd like to gauge community sentiment on this subject.

This is a self-moderated thread so conspiracy theories and other BS will be terminated with extreme prejudice.

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January 05, 2019, 12:14:13 AM
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No, it's not OK in my opinion and I thought it was pretty well-established early on that it was either against the rules to do so or at least was common knowledge that it's extremely frowned upon.  I also think some members have gotten tagged for doing so--in fact, I'm sure of it.

Giving a merit to an alt account is misusing the merit system.  It's like being on a corporate compensation committee and approving your own raise.  Sketchy at best.

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January 05, 2019, 12:20:48 AM
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I also think some members have gotten tagged for doing so--in fact, I'm sure of it.

I'm doing that when alts can be determined with a high degree of certainty.

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January 05, 2019, 12:23:02 AM
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No, it is not OK.
But I think they are not getting tagged for it right? Because theymos said to only tag for extreme cases of merit abuse right? So it's not something I would try to bring to DT or put effort into proving if I saw it happening..

I'm being attacked for that opinion

Where? How?

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January 05, 2019, 12:41:09 AM
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No, it is not OK.
But I think they are not getting tagged for it right? Because theymos said to only tag for extreme cases of merit abuse right? So it's not something I would try to bring to DT or put effort into proving if I saw it happening..

I consider it extreme abuse, along with merit buying etc, and I'm red-tagging for it if the alts are provable. That's part of the reason for this thread.

Where? How?

Via PMs. I would prefer to not make it public yet but let's just say there were two obvious sets of alts, one exchanged 50 merits, the other - ~30 (plus more between suspected but not proved alts), and I posted neg trust for them.

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January 05, 2019, 12:41:37 AM
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I'm 100% against it. It's no different than sending trust to your alt, Ban evasion with a 2nd account, or any other way to cheat the system.

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January 05, 2019, 02:19:44 AM
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 It is definitely not cool to merit your alts. I think it is perfectly justifiable to add red trust to someone who is caught, with definitive proof that the accounts are linked. Unfortunately, if someone is crafty enough, there isn't much we can do about it.
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January 05, 2019, 03:35:48 AM
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Not cool in any way shape or form.

Sorta like laughing at your own jokes, but more severe a faux pas like socks with sandals.

There is no valid or legitimate reason to be meriting yourself. The only persons doing so would be account farmers here to bleed SIG and bounty earnings.

The other idea is theh are trying to pad the merit marketplace and hoping that their alts won't be traced back to them.

Really just another tale as old as time, account farmer meets roadblock finds shady path around roadblock, gets tagged.


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January 05, 2019, 08:02:45 AM
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I think merting your own posts that comes from your own alt account is like a hotel owner reviewing his own hotel on TripAdvisor.
it is very unethical in my opinion, the merit system is already not doing so great, and if own merting would be allowed it will make things worse.

this will also affect those who don't have enough sMerit to send to their alts, and will keep the existing sMerit circulating among certain users own accounts, and newbies with good posts and without an alt full of sMerit will unlikely be able to get any merit.

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January 05, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
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So you write a post and loggout then you loggin with your alt to read what you already posted and say: "WoW!! How did I think about that! Thank you my other me".

If not for abusing the merit system, I would absolutely tag these users for being schizophrenic.

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January 05, 2019, 12:31:20 PM
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It is enough to look at poll to see what the majority thinks about this issue. For me it is immoral, unfair, and abuse of merit system, so every case found should be sanctioned. We can conclude that many users have alts on this forum just by look this thread. It would be interesting to see how many merits is exchanged between proved alt accounts so far.

The world is not perfect, so we can not expect this forum either to be perfect - there will always be people who will somehow abuse forum for their own personal needs.

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January 05, 2019, 01:47:18 PM
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You have X sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you,

Merits are meant to be sent to other people's constructive contribution to this forum hence using sMerits in ways that personally benefits the sender will always be frowned upon by the community.
If a post truly deserves Merit(this includes posts made by alts) there are multiple ways to bring it to the attention of Merit sources so there's no reason to merit your own posts unless it's of low quality.

IMO, It's not OK to send merits to your alts because it only effects this community in a negative way(low quality posts receiving merits).
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January 05, 2019, 02:26:06 PM
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No, I am strongly against to send merit to own alts. Although it's against forum rules but seems few peoples are doing that. Obviously its merit abuse and they should tag if caught with strong evidence. Still now I have seen 100% vote on No, it's prove that community against to send merit own alts. Usually they will attack you who got tag for abuse merit system. But I don't think admin also like it. So no need worry about tagging them.

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January 05, 2019, 02:54:17 PM
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Since there is no way of sending sMerits in self post, it's forbidden to send in alt too. Sending merits to alt should not be encourage here. It is counted as abuse. DT member would tag those users.

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January 05, 2019, 03:22:43 PM
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Of course no, it will be to easy and not ethical level up alts in this way and is nice to see that everyone so far has voted no.

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January 05, 2019, 03:26:01 PM
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No. Just as I conflate account trading with buying reputation, the same can be said of merit exchanges.

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January 05, 2019, 03:37:06 PM
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I voted No.
I kinda want to vote again from my Mobile Tongue

Meriting my own alt is like leaving myself positive trust: even though I trust myself completely, that's not what the system is for, and it doesn't help anyone else in judging me.

I can think of one situation were not being allowed to merit an alt would have been frustrating, but luckily someone else came to the rescue.

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You have X sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you,

Merits are meant to be sent to other people's constructive contribution to this forum hence using sMerits in ways that personally benefits the sender will always be frowned upon by the community.
If a post truly deserves Merit(this includes posts made by alts) there are multiple ways to bring it to the attention of Merit sources so there's no reason to merit your own posts unless it's of low quality.

IMO, It's not OK to send merits to your alts because it only effects this community in a negative way(low quality posts receiving merits).

Good point about "other people" (not accounts). So it's essentially a rule. The problem is that if we report to moderators there is not much they can do (merits can't be reversed). Should the abusers be banned? Should we tag them red? Or just wag the finger and be upset about it?

Now that I think of it I should have added these options to the poll.

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January 05, 2019, 06:22:45 PM
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voted no because of the same reasons others have mentioned:

if its merit worthy it will be merited and you can draw others attention to it if you truly think it was overlooked.

merit yourself because you think its an awesome post? riiiiight. here is the name of a psych doctor i think you should see.

only reason i can see to merit your alt is to get your alt higher up in the sig campaign food chain. thats not what merits are about.

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January 05, 2019, 09:08:29 PM
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 I find my self very intelligent so all my merit should go to me.
Oh No! Theymos is not allowing me to self merit.

So I need to create the alt accounts and merit myself on that account.


But I'm being attacked for that opinion so I'd like to gauge community sentiment on this subject.

May be, because narcissism in increase while self-esteem is in decline.

Meriting Alts (claimed as friend's,wife ,husband,father,group of office colleagues) confuses the newbies how this shitpost get so much merit and defeat the real purpose of merit.

Some forum users standard are stooping too low. I do not think honesty is related to economic status (poor or rich) but thy cite their poorness as a reason for their dishonesty.

I recently come across a legendary, who merited (sent 87 merits) to his younger brother to make him Full member. Not only alts, I find this merit transaction also disgusting.


Should the abusers be banned?
Theymos is not at all interested in taking action against Merit abuse. Get them banned currently look distant dream

  Should we tag them red?
Feel free to tag then.

Or just wag the finger and be upset about it?
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 Unfortunately, if someone is crafty enough, there isn't much we can do about it.
Very hard to catch crafty ones but few are openly gaming the system without any remorse.



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