40TH/80TH new Miners??? Swiss Miner

[mgoz]

[Redacted bitcoin address]

I too am from Bulgaria and can confirm this address is also a complete scam.

[stompix]

I would be surprised if they don't have an actual address and an office, after all, they do produce and sell something, even if it's lingerie and I tend to believe that part of their business is legit.

As for visiting them, it's a waste of time, if at least there were highways in the region I could have asked a guy I know that lives in Varna with who I did exchange some coins while on holiday at the black sea and kept in touch over the years, but I'm not even going to propose him to drive 8-9 hours for ..what? It's most likely that the "office" is going to be closed or somehow just that exact day the model miner is displayed somewhere else

[yianni]

I would be surprised if they don't have an actual address and an office, after all, they do produce and sell something, even if it's lingerie and I tend to believe that part of their business is legit.

As for visiting them, it's a waste of time, if at least there were highways in the region I could have asked a guy I know that lives in Varna with who I did exchange some coins while on holiday at the black sea and kept in touch over the years, but I'm not even going to propose him to drive 8-9 hours for ..what? It's most likely that the "office" is going to be closed or somehow just that exact day the model miner is displayed somewhere else

You are most probably right. I mean anyone with such a miner which outperforms both Inno and Ebit they would be proud to show the chips they used. Other than power consumption and hashing speed, they don't even say how many chips they used, if their chips are 10nm, 7nm ... nothing.
It would have been nice to have such a miner for most of us who have more than 5cents/KWh power cost and I guess that's what they are trying to take advantage of.

[mikeywith]

lol swiss miner b.s is now showing on youtube ads, was just trying to watch a youtube video and their ad showed up. next level of scam B.S

[limitless486]

Hi all,

My previous account was "limitless386", but I got a ban... Thanks bitcointalk moderators.....
I will now share some more information about why this is a scam, in the hope that this time I will not be banned....
If you look at the video and the photos, you will notice that there is no pool inserted. This miner only works with a vendor-owned pool. I hope this is enough for you and you can make your own conclusions that it is a scam.

P.S. I'm from Bulgaria and I've already researched these scammers.

[yianni]

Hi all,

My previous account was "limitless386", but I got a ban... Thanks bitcointalk moderators.....
I will now share some more information about why this is a scam, in the hope that this time I will not be banned....
If you look at the video and the photos, you will notice that there is no pool inserted. This miner only works with a vendor-owned pool. I hope this is enough for you and you can make your own conclusions that it is a scam.

P.S. I'm from Bulgaria and I've already researched these scammers.

Maybe your next one should be limitlessPentium

But yes you're absolutely right. Just like Asicminer. And they even go as far as saying they pay you every 24 hours or a few days depending on the country you live in !!!
Hahahahaha ... amateur hour at its best !!!

[Amigoto]

Hi, guys I am from Bulgaria , I will call and research these swissminers,if they  are scammers or not, as of now the company is real it appears in brra.bg , old company with activity and all tax papers published on the website of the Bulgarian brra.bg, which does not mean that they can not scam , but at least they post their whereabouts. I Will check and update you asap. But guys ,please advise what I should look for more except that I can meet them and I can ask other miners here if they know them, also what kind of proof should I ask , because if their miner is the same as the Asicminer company how this can be confirmed in practice that it works?

[ultrainvest]

Hello,
I am from BG.
I spoke with them. Pure scammers!!!

They are from city of Stara Zagora. I wanted to visit their office and see one of the miners working. I was explained, that only a test unit is working, but not in their office, but in some data center. And when i wanted to visit  the data center or to get some demo access to the system, they said it is all restricted and confidential.

[HagssFIN]

Yeah it is better to forget this kind of shitty scams and move on..

[stompix]

... I was explained, that only a test unit is working, but not in their office ,but in some data center. And when i wanted to visit  the data center or to get some demo access to the system, they said it is all restricted and confidential.

Oh, what a surprise

... It's most likely that the "office" is going to be closed or somehow just that exact day the model miner is displayed somewhere else

Classic excuse, we are delivering if you order 300+ but we only have one piece hidden in a data center in some tanga.

[potificate]

Just went to the website... a "Swiss Miner" with a Bulgarian address? Hmmm

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Their scam has so many holes in it they should call it a Swiss Cheese miner...
Considering the last REAL Swiss miner made was from Bitmine.ch in 2014 with their disastrous Coincraft A1 miners, definitely not a good name for them.

[minefarmbuy]

We'll anyone new is going to be scrutinized and most scams pretty easy to spot. This was blatantly false from the start.

[vb2005]

Guys nobody is so stupid to post a video with him so everybody see them and then take peoples money without  delivering. I think they are real but are complete idiots regarding marketing.
Also i think they are arrogant but i have seen very clever people who are arrogant too but this does not mean they are bad.
And here you people claim you have  found a scam - this is pathetic - they dont hide that they are from Bulgaria and they have lingerie business /which is really operating for 20 years/ and nowhere they claim they are from Switzerland - again stupid marketing from their side.
BTW Bulgarians are very good at maths and informatics - so i will not be surprised if the miner is real. Also they offer miner collocation in Sofia- why would they do this? I doubt they can steal tons of old miners and hide somewhere. Another thing - they seems to ship only in EU - if they were scammers - why would they do this - they would say worldwide shipping so they can take more money they even ask for your VAT number.
One thing is sure if they are scammers they will have to be very good at hiding because their real names are known and you can see their faces on the video.

But  if they want to sell sell sell they should send one to him he will demo it and it will sell sell sell if it is real.

We have zero to prove

Till then don't buy it.

With all my due respect - do you really think they need a review from some anonymous guy from internet forum to sell their miner if it is real?
I read you comment under their video - if i am in their shoes i will also not send you a miner. You see- they have a real address and they show their faces on video /their English is bad i agree/
on the other side you show them your username from the forum and you want a miner - of course you will not get one.

[Steamtyme]

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Yeah I do think this brand new company needs to send gear to one of these very not anonymous people at all. It's a great way to get information about the product out to people (on this forum) that believe it or not spend anywhere from 0-300 000$+ on gear.

Another point is Phil's terms are very transparent and fair to all companies he's worked with. If he likes the gear he pays for it, if not he ships it back. Either way a fair and honest review is given.

Given that your brand new account had an easy time finding this thread for your first posts, maybe you know/represent these miracle workers. Care to shed any real facts to help refute the "scam" tag this currently has.

[HagssFIN]

@vb2005
It seems that you really don't understand the reviews.

It's a small price for them to send one sample unit,
and in return they get transparent, honest publicity for their device. They get the miner cost back in sales.

Are you really taking these scumbag scammer's side in this case?

[vb2005]

@Steamtyme  - my account here was created in 2014 /https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=228806/  - i have nothing to do with swissminer.tech people. I actually paid for the their shitminer AND for their oil cooler AND VAT on top of this - so in the next 30 days i will know if i lost my money - if not i will post a videos of the Bulgarian shitminers in action

... Are you really taking these scumbag scammer's side in this case?

I would say for me chances are 20-30% they are scam and 70-80% maybe they did the impossible and beat the big guys.
Also I am not advising anyone to buy this miner!!!!!
I just can't believe that they will post a video with them if they actually don have the miner.
Regarding their pool - if i invest a lot of money in the firmware i would do the same - obviously they dont have better chips so what they did better must be on the software level.

[HagssFIN]

Well go ahead and risk your money then.

I just can't why would one risk their money with this kind of shit,
when there are plenty of surely legit options available.

[philipma1957]

at vb2005   why did you open an account 5 years ago and never use it until this thread?

As for for me being an unknown person. I am not unknown to:

bitmain.com
avalon.com
pangolinminer.com
coinbase.com

Plus more then 25 forum members have my address and phone.

I have done business on ebay since 2003

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=philipma1957

I  have handled hundreds of escrows.
I have verified  1000's of dollars in gear.
I suggest to all don't buy the gear until someone trusted has one.

If not me HagssFin  is in Finland and can do a fine job he has done so more than once.

[vb2005]

at vb2005   why did you open an account 5 years ago and never use it until this thread?

Maybe i was planning the swissminer scam 5 years ago and was waiting for the right moment - hahaha.
Or maybe i was looking for info about the new miner and found this thread.
I dont know if my previous reply was deleted by moderators but as i said:
I am not advising anyone to buy this miner!!!!!