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Some users agreeing to exclude certain users (privately or publicly) isn't any kind of gang nor retaliation.
That straw-man is not my argument. However, why would you exclude someone just because they exclude you especially given that you agree with most of their feedback?
frivolous and unprincipled to some extent Somebody can be a good person for 99.99% of their life, but then one day they decide to murder some old woman; why would you convict someone given that you live mostly the same life? My point is that the disagreements that are there can be fundamental or show a lack of principles. If somebody I have known on a friendly basis suddenly distrusts me without explanation, then that person is not somebody I can trust the judgement of. Being unwilling to explain your actions is usually a good sign that there is something about them your'e unwilling to stand next to. I'm not saying that's the case here, because it's been hectic and I am patient. What I am saying though is if somebody is unwilling to explain why they distrust you and you have had nothing but positive interactions with that person, then there is no way you're going to trust the judgement of that individual. they don't owe you an explanation just as you wouldn't owe anyone one.
Correct, but without one I am only able to conclude that they have done so without reason. This would lead me to distrust their ratings; how many other exclusions, inclusions or even ratings are without reason? Then when I come to this conclusion and exclude them, the assumption would be revenge and retaliation when I am doing the only rational thing. Disagreeing with someone's exclusion of self, and then excluding them because of it is not self-defense. It is retaliation (look up definitions and examples if unsure).
So you honestly believe that someone's opinion of you should hold no bearing on your opinion of them? Please correct me if I am wrong, but that sounds wild. We can argue semantics, and you very well may be right, but I am more interested in the principles. Tie those with people being afraid to exclude and we have as much as a shit show as the last system
People are going to be afraid to exclude when they are being accused of retaliation for legitimately distrusting the trust-network of another user.
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Some users agreeing to exclude certain users (privately or publicly) isn't any kind of gang nor retaliation.
That straw-man is not my argument. Doesn't matter, needed to put that out there before trolls bring a bandwagon. However, why would you exclude someone just because they exclude you especially given that you agree with most of their feedback?
frivolous and unprincipled to some extent Somebody can be a good person for 99.99% of their life, but then one day they decide to murder some old woman; why would you convict someone given that you live mostly the same life? That's quite an extreme example, isn't it? My point is that the disagreements that are there can be fundamental or show a lack of principles. If somebody I have known on a friendly basis suddenly distrusts me without explanation, then that person is not somebody I can trust the judgement of. Being unwilling to explain your actions is usually a good sign that there is something about them your'e unwilling to stand next to. I'm not saying that's the case here, because it's been hectic and I am patient.
What I am saying though is if somebody is unwilling to explain why they distrust you and you have had nothing but positive interactions with that person, then there is no way you're going to trust the judgement of that individual.
I think you are taking an trust list exclusion too personal and wrong. Just because they exclude you, that doesn't mean that they distrust you. Maybe they distrust your list, maybe they distrust your judgement ( note: you can be in a relatively good relationship with someone without trusting their judgement). Besides, you shouldn't exclude all of their included users and sent ratings just because you think 1 isn't proper. Even if you strongly believe that is not right, it would be within a margin of acceptable error anyways. they don't owe you an explanation just as you wouldn't owe anyone one.
Correct, but without one I am only able to conclude that they have done so without reason. This would lead me to distrust their ratings; how many other exclusions, inclusions or even ratings are without reason? This is not a logical conslusion but an emotional response. Then when I come to this conclusion and exclude them, the assumption would be revenge and retaliation when I am doing the only rational thing.
No. Excluding someone back just for the sake of it isn't a rational response (again, it's an emotional one). Psychology is fun. So you honestly believe that someone's opinion of you should hold no bearing on your opinion of them? Please correct me if I am wrong, but that sounds wild. We can argue semantics, and you very well may be right, but I am more interested in the principles.
If there is basis (e.g. not outright lies, etc.) for their opinion (and in a perfect world..), no. You should try to keep it as objective as possible. People are going to be afraid to exclude when they are being accused of retaliation for legitimately distrusting the trust-network of another user.
In almost all cases, the only reason for excluding someone just after you've figured out that they've excluded you is in fact retaliation. This does open a problem where user 1 might have been contemplating to exclude user 2 for some time now. However, user 1 has gotten excluded by user 2. User 1 might be afraid to react (as you've mentioned above). New DT2 members Gavin Andresen
Not this again. Stop including people that probably don't even know that the trust system exists. Thanks.
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January 14, 2019, 08:30:21 PM |
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What I am saying though is if somebody is unwilling to explain why they distrust you and you have had nothing but positive interactions with that person, then there is no way you're going to trust the judgement of that individual.
You're taking this way too personally. Someone might think that you just need more time or something. Just imagine this from the logistics perspective - are you going to troll the whole list every day to check if someone excluded you without explanation so that you could counter-exclude them? Correct, but without one I am only able to conclude that they have done so without reason. This would lead me to distrust their ratings; how many other exclusions, inclusions or even ratings are without reason?
Absence of explanation is not absence of reason. Perhaps they didn't want to contact you to avoid this exact drama. I've never been contacted by anyone who excluded me nor would I typically contact my exclusions and I don't have any expectations in that regard. I don't think there is a general expectation in the community either. You're free to do what you want with your list but what you're describing sounds like some cringy and unnecessary quid pro quo.
Sorry for reposting, somehow I managed to delete my post.
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You're taking this way too personally.
I haven't taken anything personally. I haven't excluded those that have excluded me, because I am hoping, not expecting, that they will be willing to explain themselves. If I agree with their reasoning, then I can better myself or be accountable for where they see shortcomings. If I disagree with their reasoning or lack thereof, then I can place them as an exclusion and we both go on our way. Someone might think that you just need more time or something.
I am not concerned about my personal situation; I am discussing principles and concepts. My situation was just an example of exclusions and to discuss "retaliatory" or frivolous exclusions. Just imagine this from the logistics perspective - are you going to troll the whole list every day to check if someone excluded you without explanation so that you could counter-exclude them?
This is why the original premise was that I felt wronged by a friend. I would have never known either of these users had excluded me, if I hadn't added them already to my own list. Only to feel confused when I clearly misunderstood our relationship. I'm not hunting for exclusions, but speaking from the context of someone turning on a dime without explanation and seemingly ignoring the situation. Absence of explanation is not absence of reason.
I understand and mentioned exactly that. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they have a good reason for excluding me. I cannot carry this assumption forever without justification, however. Perhaps they didn't want to contact you to avoid this exact drama. I've never been contacted by anyone who excluded me nor would I contact any of my exclusions and I don't have any expectations in that regard. I don't think there is a general expectation in the community either.
I'm not looking for drama. I sent them a discrete PM asking for an explanation, never got an explanation and still don't expect one. Again though, without an explanation I see that exclusion as something I vehemently disagree with and see no reason for. It makes me trust their inclusions, exclusions and even ratings less; as this gives me the impression they are willing to be flippant with them. You're free to do what you want with your list but what you're describing sounds like some cringy and unnecessary quid pro quo.
I'll pose the same question to you as I did to Lauda, then. Will another's opinion of yourself have any influence on your opinion of that individual? I'm not exactly sure what about that is cringe or unnecessary. I cannot just assume that an unexplained exclusion is justified, especially when I am involved and it is against me. That would be self-defeating and foolish, that circular logic would be the definition of submission. If you explain why you dislike or distrust me, then I am able to assess that information to either implement or contend that information. Without that I am taking guesses and seems foolish to bow my head while I get kicked. Regardless, I haven't added any "retaliatory" exclusions; simply removed them from my inclusions for now.
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New DT2 members Use at your own risk. Bolded users are new since ~ last week (the first iteration of this DT experiment), others are new since the "old" DT of about a month ago. 200+ users have been added.
Agree with that. So many new face on DT network. I think it would be better if make it on new thread. So many argument on going here. Perhaps we will loss it. Or give me permission to use your quote and post on reputation or meta if you are busy. I think you can do it shortly. Especially it's important for community to know who have added new on DT network.
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January 14, 2019, 09:10:38 PM |
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You're taking this way too personally.
I haven't taken anything personally. I haven't excluded those that have excluded me, because I am hoping, not expecting, that they will be willing to explain themselves. If I agree with their reasoning, then I can better myself or be accountable for where they see shortcomings. If I disagree with their reasoning or lack thereof, then I can place them as an exclusion and we both go on our way. First of all, I don't know the reason why these people have excluded you. However, if I had to guess, it probably has something to with this. Given the fact that Toy4lov3rs used the address a year before you did, it's pretty damning. Toy4lov3rs also happens to be SMAS blacklisted. Assuming you didn't purchase this account (which is unlikely), you are using an alt to avoid a campaign blacklist, which most people would view as untrustworthy. Assuming you did purchase this account, you might not be evading a ban, but you are an account trader, which is also viewed as untrustworthy. If I was you, I really wouldn't push the issue as to why someone wouldn't want you on DT, unless you have an extremely good reason for the facts outlined above.
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There are a lot[\b] of people that have no business being on DT2. A decent amount of people are on DT1 that should be there either.
I predict we Will see much more curruption and those with power will continue to get away with stealing from others, extorting others, and similar.
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January 14, 2019, 09:32:34 PM |
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Absence of explanation is not absence of reason.
I understand and mentioned exactly that. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they have a good reason for excluding me. I cannot carry this assumption forever without justification, however. I'm really truly not following you here. This sounds creepy in pretty much every scenario I can imagine. You can get dumped by a girlfriend/boyfriend or get fired from a job without an explanation and you'd have to move on. Or would you then go on to post revenge porn or bad online reviews in retaliation? I'm not exactly sure what about that is cringe or unnecessary. I cannot just assume that an unexplained exclusion is justified, especially when I am involved and it is against me. That would be self-defeating and foolish, that circular logic would be the definition of submission. If you explain why you dislike or distrust me, then I am able to assess that information to either implement or contend that information. Without that I am taking guesses and seems foolish to bow my head while I get kicked.
Maybe the bolded part is the problem, i.e. your assumption that this is against you. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Maybe it's what MadZ said.
There are a lot[\b] of people that have no business being on DT2. A decent amount of people are on DT1 that should be there either.
I predict we Will see much more curruption and those with power will continue to get away with stealing from others, extorting others, and similar.
Oh the irony oozing all over your puppet strings.
Agree with that. So many new face on DT network. I think it would be better if make it on new thread. So many argument on going here. Perhaps we will loss it. Or give me permission to use your quote and post on reputation or meta if you are busy. I think you can do it shortly. Especially it's important for community to know who have added new on DT network.
I don't think there is a need for any more threads. coinlocket$ already has a DT thread or two. Besides the list is changing quickly. If someone could linkify the usernames (forgot who did it last time... Leo?) that'd be great.
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If someone could linkify the usernames (forgot who did it last time... Leo?) that'd be great. Just had a power cut. I'll do it once I'm back up and running.
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Given the fact that Toy4lov3rs used the address a year before you did, it's pretty damning.
Toy4lov3rs is one of my clueless IRL friends. The only IRL friend I know of that has an account on the forum, in fact (unfortunately). It's a shame that I feel I have to explain this. They know nothing of Bitcoin, and next to nothing about the forum. I got them to read about a dozen stickies, on a newly created account, but I don't remember the username of that account and it's probably still a 0-post newbie. They very seldom log into their account and have no interest in the forum. They were wanting to apply for a campaign and told me they were confused. After I explained to them that they would be denied for the quality of their posts, they proceeded to use the template I provided as an example for their actual application, which had my address on it. If memory serves, I had created that address specifically while walking them through how to create an address on Core to replace the address within the "template". You call this benign situation "damning", as if there is a valid accusation somewhere in there. When in reality all that is here is Address Mismanagement and Miscommunication while walking a friend through a process. Rmcdermott927 and Toy4lov3rs even spoke extensively and had further interaction off the forum. I'd feel more comfortable asking them if I can elaborate on that before doing so; That shouldn't even be necessary. Toy4lov3rs is not my account, but I did go to high school with the owner. If I was you, I really wouldn't push the issue as to why someone wouldn't want you on DT, unless you have an extremely good reason for the facts outlined above.
I don't feel like people should be walking on egg-shells around here when they have done nothing wrong. I don't know how to make it clearer, but I do not have a care in the world about being on DT. Nor do I understand why you're making these emboldened statements. I appreciate the suggestion, but it seems you misunderstand my intention. I'm really truly not following you here. This sounds creepy in pretty much every scenario I can imagine. You can get dumped by a girlfriend/boyfriend or get fired from a job without an explanation and you'd have to move on. Or would you then go on to post revenge porn or bad online reviews in retaliation?
I don't know what kind of person one must be for a significant-other to leave you without explanation and this to be considered normal behavior. I've been let go from one job and they provided me with an explanation; the company lost a lot of clients and 80% of their workforce. Now I'm the one not following you, so maybe we're just missing each other on this. I don't see the analogy between posting revenge porn and seeking an explanation on a course of self-improvement. If I was fired from a workplace without reason I would certainly let my friends know not to apply there without acknowledging that and let my friends that work there know that they should seek alternative streams of income before they get the unexpected boot. Maybe the bolded part is the problem, i.e. your assumption that this is against you. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
I'm not assuming it is against me, which is why I haven't drawn any conclusions without hearing from these users directly. Again, we are talking about principles and concepts, not my own personal feelings about my situation. This is another benign situation that I am unconcerned about. Assuming I'd like to provide disincentive to discourage unexplained simultaneous movement within the trust-network; what options are there outside an exclusion of those users?
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I don't know what kind of person one must be for a significant-other to leave you without explanation and this to be considered normal behavior. I've been let go from one job and they provided me with an explanation; the company lost a lot of clients and 80% of their workforce.
Now I'm the one not following you, so maybe we're just missing each other on this. I don't see the analogy between posting revenge porn and seeking an explanation on a course of self-improvement.
The comparison is not with the explanation but with the action you would take if you don't get an explanation. Yes, it would be nice to have one, yes, it's borderline creepy to retaliate if you don't. I've only ever had at-will employment so perhaps that example doesn't translate well to your situation - if so, ignore it. I'm not assuming it is against me, which is why I haven't drawn any conclusions without hearing from these users directly. Again, we are talking about principles and concepts, not my own personal feelings about my situation. This is another benign situation that I am unconcerned about. Assuming I'd like to provide disincentive to discourage unexplained simultaneous movement within the trust-network; what options are there outside an exclusion of those users?
Anybody can exclude anybody they want and they don't need to provide an explanation. Even if you're convinced otherwise - it's impossible to enforce explanations and impossible to retaliate against everyone consistently so the whole discussion is becoming kinda pointless. Do what you think is best but don't be surprised if someone interprets it as petty. Personally I think you'd be hurting your chances of a potential future inclusion if you do this.
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The comparison is not with the explanation but with the action you would take if you don't get an explanation. Yes, it would be nice to have one, yes, it's borderline creepy to retaliate if you don't.
I understand what you're getting at more now, but I disagree with what you're saying. Without the explanation I would either continue to search for an explanation internally or close the case with the conclusion that the other person's judgement is in contradiction to my own. A more appropriate analogy would be that you distrust your ex, telling your friends of your opinion on the matter. Similar to how on the forum you would then distrust their judgement if you believe they are volatile and act without justification and therefore exclude them from your trust list. I've only ever had at-will employment so perhaps that example doesn't translate well to your situation - if so, ignore it.
My explanation was provided by an at-will employer; some employers go above and beyond. Anybody can exclude anybody they want and they don't need to provide an explanation. Even if you're convinced otherwise
I agree and I am not convinced otherwise. the whole discussion is becoming kinda pointless.
I agree, but there seemed to be a general consensus that was unchallenged so I thought I might as well throw it out there. It was starting to sound like there was only one acceptable solution and that is to not exclude those that have excluded you; as though there is no valid reason to distrust someone that is unwilling to provide an explanation for their decisions. Personally I think you'd be hurting your chances of a potential future inclusion if you do this.
Luckily inclusion is not a consideration of mine and I will not allow it to influence my actions. My concern is what is best for the community and it seems strange to allow important decisions to be made without even requesting an explanation.
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Is it just me or is everything defaulting to ;dt on urls? For example, I get an error on editing my watchlist because of it...
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Is it just me or is everything defaulting to ;dt on urls? For example, I get an error on editing my watchlist because of it... It must be you. I'm not seeing that.
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It must be you. I'm not seeing that.
Oh jeez, I'm an idiot today, thank you ... I Forgot I played around with scripts a bit the other day and left it turned on..
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Slow death Oh now it makes sense why I got this: Hi sir I have got warning trade caution, why ? And pls can you tell me how to delete and solve this if I made a mistake. Thank you But he saw this: fallaga1 (Nabil Harabi) is Scammer Here - Becareful about this cheaterIn the next few weeks we will see many " Hi sir"
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Given the fact that Toy4lov3rs used the address a year before you did, it's pretty damning.
Toy4lov3rs is one of my clueless IRL friends. The only IRL friend I know of that has an account on the forum, in fact (unfortunately). It's a shame that I feel I have to explain this. They know nothing of Bitcoin, and next to nothing about the forum. I got them to read about a dozen stickies, on a newly created account, but I don't remember the username of that account and it's probably still a 0-post newbie. They very seldom log into their account and have no interest in the forum. They were wanting to apply for a campaign and told me they were confused. After I explained to them that they would be denied for the quality of their posts, they proceeded to use the template I provided as an example for their actual application, which had my address on it. If memory serves, I had created that address specifically while walking them through how to create an address on Core to replace the address within the "template". You call this benign situation "damning", as if there is a valid accusation somewhere in there. When in reality all that is here is Address Mismanagement and Miscommunication while walking a friend through a process. Rmcdermott927 and Toy4lov3rs even spoke extensively and had further interaction off the forum. I'd feel more comfortable asking Rmcdermott927 if I can elaborate on that before doing so; That shouldn't even be necessary. Toy4lov3rs is not my account, but I did go to high school with the owner. Thanks for the explanation, glad this misunderstanding has been cleared up. I'm sure you can see what it looks like to others. Anyway, seems your friend is a bit of an account trader then. It appears the current owner of Toy4lov3rs lives in India! Imagine that Funnily enough, it looks like he actually found the forums a year before you and couldn't figure out how to make his own wallet for 3 years. I don't think anyone can be that clueless, so I'm guess he bought the account too. In any event, whoever created it/sold it to him had posted a bunch of wallet addresses prior to 2016, so I don't really see why he'd ask you to create one for him if he was the original owner. How he went about buying a bitcointalk account without a Bitcoin wallet, I don't know, but hats off to him for the ingenuity! If I was you, I really wouldn't push the issue as to why someone wouldn't want you on DT, unless you have an extremely good reason for the facts outlined above.
I don't feel like people should be walking on egg-shells around here when they have done nothing wrong. I don't know how to make it clearer, but I do not have a care in the world about being on DT. Nor do I understand why you're making these emboldened statements. I appreciate the suggestion, but it seems you misunderstand my intention. Fair enough, my intention was only to give you what I perceived to be the most likely explanation, since it seems you want one. Whether the claims are true or not, I hope you can see how they have some merit.
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