DefaultTrust changes

[Lauda]

I have no reason to think that the Turkish board couldn't self-govern their local trust subsystem the same way.

Plenty of reasons and more to come. Zero doubt in my mind.

Maybe you guys just miss the 100+ accounts I wrecked in Bitmixer.

[PHI1618]

We're tired of your racist behavior!
-snip-
I hope your racism, one of the biggest humanitarian problems in this world, will come to an end.

Yawn, the Ruskis are smarter than the Turkis in their DT shenanigans. You get caught red-handed, and you get excluded appropriately. Maybe you guys just miss the 100+ accounts I wrecked in Bitmixer.

It doesn't matter if I'm on the DT list or not. I use the forum to exchange information. I think I'm useful to people with my hardware wallet reviews. This is enough for me.
I will always do my best to improve the Turkish board. There is no author in the world currently reviewing these 7 hardware wallets; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3162903.msg32704280#msg32704280
My purpose is to be useful to people and to learn. This will always be the case.

I don't know about Bitmixer and I don't care. I don't have time to deal with your conspiracy theories.

[suchmoon]

I have no reason to think that the Turkish board couldn't self-govern their local trust subsystem the same way.

Plenty of reasons and more to come. Zero doubt in my mind.

My point is that we can't possibly police it even if you're 100% right and if I 100% agree with you. Without speaking the language what can we do - exclude everyone who ever posted in a Turkish thread? Sounds unsustainable. Also neither you nor I are in DT1 anymore LOL.

Let them do it and gloat if they fail.

[Lauda]

It doesn't matter if I'm on the DT list or not.

Right, yet you came in a rush in order to complain about it with a worthless blob of text. Honesty: None.

I have no reason to think that the Turkish board couldn't self-govern their local trust subsystem the same way.

Plenty of reasons and more to come. Zero doubt in my mind.

My point is that we can't possibly police it even if you're 100% right and if I 100% agree with you. Without speaking the language what can we do - exclude everyone who ever posted in a Turkish thread? Sounds unsustainable.

Let them do it and gloat if they fail.

I agree. However, excluding >95% of them (especially including the moderator) while educating the remainder seems sustainable to me (at least on DT1 level) which is what I will be doing.

[Timelord2067]

I've probably missed reading how @theymos selects the "random" 100, but if he wants to make the list truly random, he should go to random.org and use their list randomiser.

https://www.random.org/lists/

It would mean a small level of manual input but would certainly level the playing field.

[suchmoon]

I agree. However, excluding >95% of them (especially including the moderator) while educating the remainder seems sustainable to me (at least on DT1 level) which is what I will be doing.

Ok, you do the stick, I'll do the carrot (if I get back to DT1) by including a couple of folks there that I can reasonably determine to be trustworthy.

I've probably missed reading how @theymos selects the "random" 100, but if he wants to make the list truly random, he should go to random.org and use their list randomiser.

https://www.random.org/lists/

It would mean a small level of manual input but would certainly level the playing field.

I'm willing to bet a limb that theymos' randomiser is sufficiently random... dude's a hardcore bitcoiner.

[JayJuanGee]

Given theymoses lack of action in many cases before..........

Oh noes!!!!!!!  Oh noes!!!!!!!

theymos has been cloned.   

 

[Lauda]

I agree. However, excluding >95% of them (especially including the moderator) while educating the remainder seems sustainable to me (at least on DT1 level) which is what I will be doing.

Ok, you do the stick, I'll do the carrot (if I get back to DT1) by including a couple of folks there that I can reasonably determine to be trustworthy.

Sounds good... as long as you don't include the wrong folk. I offer free trust-list fixing (no additions, only removal of existing entries) for exclusion removal; that's somewhat generous as is. 

Given theymoses lack of action in many cases before..........

Oh noes!!!!!!!  Oh noes!!!!!!!

theymos has been cloned.   

 

I took complete control over theymos about 2 years ago if that wasn't clear already. Dark arts it is.

[suchmoon]

I agree. However, excluding >95% of them (especially including the moderator) while educating the remainder seems sustainable to me (at least on DT1 level) which is what I will be doing.

Ok, you do the stick, I'll do the carrot (if I get back to DT1) by including a couple of folks there that I can reasonably determine to be trustworthy.

Sounds good... as long as you don't include the wrong folk. I offer free trust-list fixing for exclusion removal; that's somewhat generous as is.  

I'll try to find someone with "cat" in their name, that should do it.

[Lauda]

I agree. However, excluding >95% of them (especially including the moderator) while educating the remainder seems sustainable to me (at least on DT1 level) which is what I will be doing.

Ok, you do the stick, I'll do the carrot (if I get back to DT1) by including a couple of folks there that I can reasonably determine to be trustworthy.

Sounds good... as long as you don't include the wrong folk. I offer free trust-list fixing for exclusion removal; that's somewhat generous as is.  

I'll try to find someone with "cat" in their name, that should do it.

It has to be the Turkish word for Cat though, otherwise I'm obviously racist.

[PHI1618]

It doesn't matter if I'm on the DT list or not.

Right, yet you came in a rush in order to complain about it with a worthless blob of text. Honesty: None.

Because you listed me and a lot of Turkish user as distrusted for no reason! The only reason we speak Turkish.


Here is your list;

All DT1 members are now aware that there will be months we are excluded, and there is nothing we can do to prevent it.

A good safety-net is to follow my trust list as close as possible. New additions of the day:

~silverfuture
~kroneko
~xyz
~cygan
~2run
~by rallier
~teramit
~Buchi-88
~quasimodo
~mhanbostanci
~Halmater
~Matthias9515
~PHI1618
~sonerbo
~BitcoinTurk
~bobita
~wolwoo
~gorkem19888
~gospodin
~trendcoin
~Bthd
~ziya1453
~Kalemder
~ekiller
~AlyattesLydia
~Asber
~HARDCRACKERS
~jopen
~Leteravian
~ugurum15
~addtelegrams
~goraset

More are probably needed but the list is getting too large too fast to review everyone.

Why didn't you add Lydian and mindrust? Because they don't just write Turkish. They also write in other languages in other boards of the forum.
You have no valid reasons, and everyone sees it.
I do not want to extend this unnecessary argument any longer. After all, you answer without reading.
I wish you a good day.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I had no idea mindrust was Turkish, he’s a cool guy. I like him a lot.

@Lauda - kedi is cat in Turkish, according to google.

[Lauda]

Why didn't you add Lydian and mindrust? Because they don't just write Turkish. They also write in other languages in other boards of the forum.

I had no idea mindrust was Turkish, he’s a cool guy.

Neither have I, nor will I accept this information into my brain. He always was, and remains a forum user to me. Who Lydian is I have no idea yet. The rest are circle-jerking, untrustworthy baboons +- a member or two. I have, admittedly, missed out on excluding a lot more but there is only so much time to spare. I'm open to suggestions.

@Lauda - kedi is cat in Turkish, according to google.

Alright, new rule then: If you've participated in these "elections" (note: nepotism and circle-jerking), and you've never really contributed outside of your section AND your username does not contain the word 'kedi', then you're excluded.

[PHI1618]

I had no idea mindrust was Turkish, he’s a cool guy. I like him a lot.

@Lauda - kedi is cat in Turkish, according to google.

mindrust is Turkish and mindrust was selected DT1 with Turkish users support.

"kedi" is true for cat.

Have a good day.

[coinlocket$]

I'm not a fun of random 100 users will be on DT1, even if the "unlucky" will be out of the DT1 the DT2 included on the DT1 inclusion list will be out of the list and some scammer will have a clean trust for an "x" amount of time.

Maybe a slightly harder requirement to be on DT1 is a good solution to reduce the list?

More merit? More people inclusion required?

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I'm not a fun of random 100 users will be on DT1, even if the "unlucky" will be out of the DT1 the DT2 included on the DT1 inclusion list will be out of the list and some scammer will have a clean trust for an "x" amount of time.

Maybe a slightly harder requirement to be on DT1 is a good solution to reduce the list?

More merit? More people inclusion required?

I’d agree to both of the bolded. Something like at least 500 earned merit & at least 10 fellow DT1 members trusting you.

[PHI1618]

Alright, new rule then: If you've participated in these "elections" (note: nepotism and circle-jerking), and you've never really contributed outside of your section AND your username does not contain the word 'kedi', then you're excluded.

Tataam surprisee

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5039577.msg46259753#msg46259753

[Lauda]

I'm not a fun of random 100 users will be on DT1, even if the "unlucky" will be out of the DT1 the DT2 included on the DT1 inclusion list will be out of the list and some scammer will have a clean trust for an "x" amount of time.

Maybe a slightly harder requirement to be on DT1 is a good solution to reduce the list?

More merit? More people inclusion required?

The problem is two-fold here: A fixed sized subset with some kind of ranking would give you probably >90% of the same members all the time (while kind-of obliterating partial decentralization, it would prevent a lot of other issues). A fixed sized subset with no ranking (random as is) creates other problems, some of which are already revealing itself. e.g. (randomly) Leave out OgNasty and keep PHI? Even I'd protest such a situation.

Alright, new rule then: If you've participated in these "elections" (note: nepotism and circle-jerking), and you've never really contributed outside of your section AND your username does not contain the word 'kedi', then you're excluded.

Tataam surprisee
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5039577.msg46259753#msg46259753

Looks like worthless rehashing of dozens of online articles about the wallets in an attempt to farm merit. Anything else? What's the name of your original account?

[peloso]

.. left by legit DT1 members for a whole month.

what you mean when say about legit DT1 members? i sure you mean yourself? but legit DT1 member never tag red without proof or wrong proofs, you did it
also reason than you tagged me licking lauda's ass
you are not legit D1 member

and so new system is superb

[Hhampuz]

I kind of like the added RNG element to the trust system. Perhaps, when we have enough people eligible for DT1 with enough recycling being made the system overall won't be needed any more. Each section and all of it's peers will have their own networks and nobody will bother with DT.