DefaultTrust changes

[suchmoon]

if its a shit token or something like that.

It's a ponzi scam. But don't worry, it's perfectly ok to be a multi-account scam promoter in this new trust system. Welcome to DT.

Instead of starting a drama about the new trust system, you and other DT members can give distrust to remove him from DT list.

That was about as un-drammy as could put it. I have distrusted quite a few of these "cousins" so I'm doing my part, are you?

Why, you don't have enough DT members in Turkish local to clean their shit or something

If you gave a chance people to learn the new default system, people would do it.

Come on now... marlboroza has given your board 6 or 7 chances to clean it up and all he got in return was massive trolling. You want to run your local trust system with sockpuppets, plagiarisers, scam promoters - that's fine, knock yourselves out, just don't expect everybody to cheer and clap.

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[HCP]

Goraset copied someone’s article, it was a mistake but it doesn’t mean he is a scammer. Trust me, he is more reliable than 99.99 percent of those members.

A mistake? so he tripped and accidentally posted someone else's article and tried to pass it off as his own?

While plagiarism may not make him a "scammer" in the traditional sense of the word... it does make him dishonest and untrustworthy in the eyes of some.

[marlboroza]

Goraset copied someone’s article, it was a mistake but it doesn’t mean he is a scammer. Trust me, he is more reliable than 99.99 percent of those members.

It was more than one article and he retaliated against person whose article he stole, lauda, me, he even lied that he didn't do it, I bet if that other person had accused him that he would have retaliated too. He doesn't look like reliable person to me, but "more reliable than 99.99% of those members" is probably something to discuss. It's like saying "he robbed a bank, he is better than the other guy who killed 10 people", while it might be true that bank robber is probably better than a killer that doesn't beat the fact that they both did "something wrong". Ban evasion is only a bonus.

If you gave a chance people to learn the new default system, people would do it.

How hard it can be? You see someone doing "shit" and you don't trust him nor his judgement.

[Blacknavy]

Goraset copied someone’s article, it was a mistake but it doesn’t mean he is a scammer. Trust me, he is more reliable than 99.99 percent of those members.

A mistake? so he tripped and accidentally posted someone else's article and tried to pass it off as his own?

While plagiarism may not make him a "scammer" in the traditional sense of the word... it does make him dishonest and untrustworthy in the eyes of some.

People in local sections didn’t know what is plagiarism but they learned by now.

He has already been tagged by some DT members but he has been still sending posts to this forum for 2 years even if he don’t get paid to send post because he couldn’t wear a signature since he was tagged. He isn’t DT1 member but i think he deserves to become DT2. He known for his solidity, I can use him as an escrow.

However, people removed him from their DT lists but he doesn’t deserve to be banned.

Goraset copied someone’s article, it was a mistake but it doesn’t mean he is a scammer. Trust me, he is more reliable than 99.99 percent of those members.

It was more than one article and he retaliated against person whose article he stole, lauda, me, he even lied that he didn't do it, I bet if that other person had accused him that he would have retaliated too. He doesn't look like reliable person to me, but "more reliable than 99.99% of those members" is probably something to discuss. It's like saying "he robbed a bank, he is better than the other guy who killed 10 people", while it might be true that bank robber is probably better than a killer that doesn't beat the fact that they both did "something wrong". Ban evasion is only a bonus.

If you gave a chance people to learn the new default system, people would do it.

How hard it can be? You see someone doing "shit" and you don't trust him nor his judgement.

Retailating against default trust members didn’t mean anything in old default system because you were as god. People knew that when they send a negative trust to DT members, it couldn’t decrease their reputation because default trust system was centralized and you were unbreakable (i couldn’t find this word exactly but i think you can understand).

[suchmoon]

He isn’t DT1 member but i think he deserves to become DT2. He known for his solidity, I can use him as an escrow.

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Retailating against default trust members didn’t mean anything in old default system because you were as god. People knew that when they send a negative trust to DT members, it couldn’t decrease their reputation because default trust system was centralized and you were unbreakable (i couldn’t translate this word exactly but i think you can understand).

So now he deserves to be in DT so that his relation would be more successful? Every day it seems I learn about new uses for the trust system, sometimes twice a day.

[Blacknavy]

He isn’t DT1 member but i think he deserves to become DT2. He known for his solidity, I can use him as an escrow.

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Retailating against default trust members didn’t mean anything in old default system because you were as god. People knew that when they send a negative trust to DT members, it couldn’t decrease their reputation because default trust system was centralized and you were unbreakable (i couldn’t translate this word exactly but i think you can understand).

So now he deserves to be in DT so that his relation would be more successful? Every day it seems I learn about new uses for the trust system, sometimes twice a day.

I think yes, he deserves to become DT2 but people already removed him from their trust list. There is no problem no more.

[marlboroza]

people removed him from their DT lists

people already removed him from their trust list. There is no problem no more.

I have found another bug in trust system, people removed him but he is not removed. Hm...maybe I should delete cookies?

So now he deserves to be in DT so that his relation would be more successful? Every day it seems I learn about new uses for the trust system, sometimes twice a day.

They don't call it "default trust changes" for no reason.

[suchmoon]

I think yes, he deserves to become DT2 but people already removed him from their trust list. There is no problem no more.

There is a problem because goraset is still in DT2 and his neg trust is visible by default not only on marlboroza's account as he shows above, but also on the account of the person who reported goraset's plagiarism. That's gotta be considered fucked up even in the pretzel universe you guys live in... I mean if:

People in local sections didn’t know what is plagiarism but they learned by now.

Then it begs the question - what did "they" learn exactly? In order to plagiarize with impunity one has to be in DT?

[Blacknavy]

When otto diesel remove goraset his own trust list, this problem will be solved right?

You can give distrust to him
You can ask otto_diesel to remove him from his own trust list

Creating million cases or criticizing the new trust system aren’t required to solve this situation. There won’t be any person left in our section because of some interesting rules. Actually, it’s quite easy to solve.

[marlboroza]

When otto diesel remove goraset his own trust list, this problem will be solved right?

You can give distrust to him
You can ask otto_diesel to remove him from his own trust list

Don't you think otto_diesel should not be near this system, I mean they obviously can't determine what is right and what is wrong, just read these words:

*i can edit this topic, if its a shit token or something like that.

Indeed, he edited topic just recently but the way he did it:

just deleted, they said BCHCONNECT.CO is a shit token or something like that.

[suchmoon]

When otto diesel remove goraset his own trust list, this problem will be solved right?

You can give distrust to him
You can ask otto_diesel to remove him from his own trust list

Creating million cases or criticizing the new trust system aren’t required to solve this situation. There won’t be any person left in our section because of some interesting rules. Actually, it’s quite easy to solve.

Except you aren't solving shit even when "cases" are brought up, just launching a bunch of tone complaints and straw people and other assorted fallacies. Where will those "persons" from your section go if they are no longer in DT? How did they survive before they were in DT? Stop exaggerating this nonsense. If it's easy to solve - do it.

[Blacknavy]

Stop exaggerating this nonsense. If it's easy to solve - do it.

You whined about the new trust system and I told you that new system was required for us to kick scammers’ asses, then you talked about other people. I didn’t get involved with this situation, it is not my business and I’m not a DT member. Good luck you to solve this problem.

Of course, it's always someone else that should do it . Thank you for teaching us about the new trust system. Much appreciated. We've been in the dark for the whole year.

I don’t even care whatever you say no more because of your disrespectful behaviour.

[suchmoon]

Stop exaggerating this nonsense. If it's easy to solve - do it.

You whined about the new trust system and I told you that new system was required for us to kick scammers’ asses, then you talked about other people. I didn’t get involved with this situation, it is not my business and I’m not a DT member. Good luck you to solve this problem.

Of course, it's always someone else that should do it . Thank you for teaching us about the new trust system. Much appreciated. We've been in the dark for the whole year.

[marlboroza]

I told you that new system was required for us to kick scammers’ asses

I don't see anyone kicked this ass https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2730445.0 and I could make some points about "we need DT to kick some scammy asses"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1003533
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=487377
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1213661
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=963279
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1367217
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1862460
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2519942
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1046135
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1277439
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1071136
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=151256

Look at all these positive trusts.

[otto_diesel]

I didn't promote anything. i'm a engineer not a sales man. I did lots of ICO and WP translation on ICO rush, it just one of them. I don't have a post that ''promote'' anything.  

go and stalk my other old posts maybe you can find another things like that.

I'm not a anonymous person. you can find my insta, facebook, all social media accounts, linked.in, my car's model, where i parked it. maybe you can find a park issue and you can find a car parking rules conflict.

or a tire pressure issue if it does not meet the requirements of law.

you can even find my car's plate number, my home adress. My ticked number for Bosphorus Bridges, you can find the time when i cross the bridges. ( you can pay my monthly bridge tax too lol ).

I'm not a internet guy like you. I m honest person, I met nearly 30 person on BTT forum via face to face. It's important for a trade and important for trust system. I'm a trustful person with my all trades.

*i wasn't know the goraset issue, do I have to know everything?  so why you didn't told me that before start a witch hunt?  you can easily tell me or a tell a DT.


Let me clear you :  My trust,  work like that =  If i knew a person more that 1 year,  (1 whole year)  and if i did a deal with this person via face to face or via on phone. And if he/she didn't con me. i trust him/her. it's easy. my trust feeling work like that.

But i don't know you in real life. actually i don't wanna know.

you can use plate number and you can find a speed tax for 57 km/h on a 50 km/h road. and open a topic, traffic abuser otto_diesel should be banned.


* again i wasn't know the goraset issue. How can i know your own conflicts??  If majority of these forum doesn't trust him, I will delete him from the list. it's easy.

[otto_diesel]

I told you that new system was required for us to kick scammers’ asses

I don't see anyone kicked this ass https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2730445.0 and I could make some points about "we need DT to kick some scammy asses"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1003533
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=487377
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1213661
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=963279
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1367217
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1862460
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2519942
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1046135
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1277439
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1071136
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=151256

Look at all these positive trusts.

Dont lie.


It's not my trusts. it's the trusts that given other persons to another persons. I can't control other persons trust writings.

https://prnt.sc/qayzv4

here is my trusts that i give;

User   Date   Reference   Comments
Zepher   2019-09-06      I never knew you. But your story and glory is touched to me. Rest in Peace Zepher.
furylmz   2019-06-19   Reference   I sold him a ledger device.
ekiller   2019-06-13   Reference   I sent him, a Cpu and Gpu, a trustworthy person.
Claymore   2018-08-09   Reference   He is a known mining software developer, he have a thread on btt that contains 1200 page. 1-10 million people know his nick name because of 'claymore' s miner.
usakli64   2018-04-19      0.1 BTC lik alisverisimiz oldu. parayı yatırdı, güvenilir bir arkadaşımız
mela65   2018-03-26   Reference   Alış verişten memnunum foruma değer katan, güvenilir üyelerden biridir. Forumda dürüstçe ticaret yapıyor
verici   2017-11-12      eth alımı yaptı, parayı önce attı, ardından eth yi hesabına geçtim. hızlı bir arkadaş.
kimkibu   2017-08-03   Reference   forumdaki dolandırıcılık olaylarına 2 laf edebilecek(bunun karsılıgında dolandırıcıdan negatif trust alacagini bilsede) ender uyelerden biri...
steampunkt   2017-06-12      thrustworthy person,
satoshi   2017-03-01      Thank you for this revolution
mstfprcn   2017-02-13      trustworthy person / forumdan mesaj attım, ödeme yaptım, ardından borsadan komisyonsuz btc alıp bana aktardı.

[marlboroza]

I didn't promote anything.

Oh, ok then https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg53339678#msg53339678

Dont lie.

Don't multishit and read post again.
OH! @Otto_diesel is included by these users http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-14_Sat_05.14h/951020.html:



Account Otto_diesel was in DAV's signature bounty, as it is visible from spreadsheets and stakes (note: users who didn't have signature or removed it are marked as red):



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sPglKhP_Jqv_1IGrFoMRAo44WfYtD5lXegPZxmqBfCY/edit#gid=2085703993

Telegram: @gumusi

The same telegram is used by account gumusi here:

#Proof of authentication
Bitcointalk username:  gumusi
Bitcointalk URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1185631
Campaign Name: Signature
Telegram Username : @gumusi
ERC-20 wallet: 0x7A45A101b500b66574Ad6144C22F41aeEAC98bf1

and here:

#ProofOfAuthentication
Bitcointalk username: gumusi
Campaign: signature
Telegram: @gumusi

Maybe they are alt accounts and voted their alt account into DT1?

Misc: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5186465.0

[LoyceV]

There's a user who I believe doesn't belong on DT1. I'll quote my reasoning in this topic:

I've always tried to be very conservative when leaving feedback and when including/excluding users from my Trust list.
Today, I made my first DT1-exclusion:

Currently excluded
~wolwoo
1. In one week, this DT1-member added 24 users to his Trust list. Most of those users never left any feedback and don't have a custom Trust list. Therefore, they don't belong on DT2, and the user who adds them doesn't belong on DT1.
2. 4 months ago, this user left positive feedback to 16 users, all without reference link. The only thing they seem to have in common is their nationality, just like the users on his Trust list. That shouldn't be a reason to give them positive feedback and/or DT2-powers.
3. This user leaves retaliation feedback.

For the above reasons, I ask all other users to consider excluding ~wolwoo too.

As a reference: this is what I consider correct use of the Trust system: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system.

[suchmoon]

Now look what you've done yobitters, you broke Switzerland. Keep an eye for them flying pigs and for ice in unexpected places. Stay safe and Merry Christmas.

[wolwoo]

You'il never shut me up.
You can either close my account or go fuck you