DefaultTrust changes

[LoyceV]

I'm out for the 3^rd month in a row.

Man, is karma

Make that 4 months

^{[You are too sweet and kind for this merciless place]}

^{Sweet and kind: check!
Hiding in plain sight: check!
Blending in with humans: check!
Plotting world domination: check!
Pretending to be Switzerland: check!
Covering up AI by joking about it: check!}

Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
     1. Legendary phantastisch (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (282 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Donator qwk (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (2164 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary Dabs (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (840 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary vizique (Trust: +36 / =0 / -0) (577 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary wwzsocki (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1255 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Staff EFS (Trust: +9 / =1 / -1) (262 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Staff dbshck (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (409 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary mindrust (Trust: neutral) (1174 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary Lesbian Cow (Trust: +53 / =0 / -0) (718 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary nutildah (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (4254 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary BitcoinPenny (Trust: +48 / =0 / -0) (902 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary o_solo_miner (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (310 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary klarki (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (592 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary ekiller (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (581 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary Jet Cash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1651 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary HCP (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (3511 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Hero Member bobita (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (694 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Hero Member be.open (Trust: +0 / =2 / -6) (401 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary imhoneer (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (781 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary roycilik (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (1642 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary Trofo (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1159 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary Steamtyme (Trust: +11 / =2 / -0) (1897 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary sheenshane (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (943 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary o_e_l_e_o (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (7756 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Sr. Member 3meek (Trust: neutral) (302 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Copper Member logfiles (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1037 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1055 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Legendary fillippone (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (7269 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Legendary abhiseshakana (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (2013 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Legendary 1miau (Trust: +9 / =1 / -0) (3353 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Copper Member Harkorede (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (448 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. Legendary efialtis (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (1185 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. Hero Member NotATether (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (2333 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Staff gmaxwell (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (4769 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary Balthazar (Trust: +4 / =1 / -1) (357 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Administrator Cyrus (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (727 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary yogg (Trust: +33 / =0 / -0) (1889 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary stompix (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (2251 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Hero Member Lydian (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (186 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary JayJuanGee (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (4105 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary Rmcdermott927 (Trust: +26 / =1 / -1) (131 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary DaveF (Trust: +29 / =1 / -0) (2081 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary teeGUMES (Trust: +11 / =2 / -0) (928 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary yahoo62278 (Trust: +23 / =2 / -0) (1696 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary ezeminer (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (114 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary sandy-is-fine (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (210 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Hero Member muslol67 (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (420 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary The Pharmacist (Trust: +29 / =3 / -0) (3757 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Hero Member phishead (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (315 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary condoras (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (531 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Copper Member Coin_trader (Trust: +8 / =3 / -0) (255 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary finaleshot2016 (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (900 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary webtricks (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (1361 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary JollyGood (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (979 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Hero Member RaltcoinsB (Trust: neutral) (504 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary xenon131 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1048 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Copper Member bavicrypto (Trust: +37 / =0 / -0) (150 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary GreatArkansas (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1085 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary tvplus006 (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (1463 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Sr. Member MoxnatyShmel (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (363 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Legendary dkbit98 (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (2762 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Legendary asche (Trust: +9 / =1 / -0) (1483 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Legendary cabalism13 (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (1150 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Legendary madnessteat (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (1380 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. Copper Member TalkStar (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (730 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. Hero Member geophphreigh (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (759 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

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[theymos]

Make that 4 months

I checked, and you definitely were eligible for at least the last 2 shuffles. (I didn't check further back.) It is very unlucky: looks like about a 0.4% chance to get skipped 4 months in a row.

[icopress]

Make that 4 months

As Dante said, The hottest places in Hell are intended for those who, during the times of great moral tests, remained neutral.

Therefore, I understand your desire to become DT1.  

I checked, and you definitely were eligible for at least the last 2 shuffles. (I didn't check further back.) It is very unlucky: looks like about a 0.4% chance to get skipped 4 months in a row.

It would be better if you said that he is on the black list, since as far as I understand the places in DT1 are not intended for AI.  

By the way, I guess the Timelord hasn't been so close to DT1 for a long time.  

[LoyceV]

I checked, and you definitely were eligible for at least the last 2 shuffles. (I didn't check further back.)

I'm pretty sure I was eligible

It is very unlucky: looks like about a 0.4% chance to get skipped 4 months in a row.

That's lower than expected, so I checked: (35/135)*(34/134)*(23/123)*(33/133)=0.3% chance indeed!

By the way, I guess the Timelord hasn't been so close to DT1 for a long time. 

He's not the only one: there used to be users with DT1-strength (-14), now (-5) is the lowest.

I haven't seen this before:

That means he's voted into DT1 by only users who aren't on DT1 themselves.

[suchmoon]

It is very unlucky: looks like about a 0.4% chance to get skipped 4 months in a row.

That's lower than expected, so I checked: (35/135)*(34/134)*(23/123)*(33/133)=0.3% chance indeed!

Look on the bright side - now that you've used up all your bad luck, you will most definitely win any casino game you try.

[Halab]

Look on the bright side - now that you've used up all your bad luck, you will most definitely win any casino game you try.

Everything becomes clear now, I understand this kind of bet from LoyceV. At the end of 2022, it is obvious that there will be a terrible bear market and it will be LoyceV's fault for defying all the probabilities .

[OgNasty]

I checked, and you definitely were eligible for at least the last 2 shuffles. (I didn't check further back.)

I'm pretty sure I was eligible

It is very unlucky: looks like about a 0.4% chance to get skipped 4 months in a row.

That's lower than expected, so I checked: (35/135)*(34/134)*(23/123)*(33/133)=0.3% chance indeed!

Quoting the great Rasheed Wallace...  "Ball don't lie."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4i45kNO-cE

Try cleaning up your trust network a little bit and stop supporting liars, trust abusers, and users you've had no financial interaction with.  Maybe your trust network karma will change a little bit.  Not to mention, you shouldn't even care.  It's not like you've had a lot of real interactions here that add value to the network at all.  Looking at your left trust it looks like you only bully wannabe scammers who likely had no chance to ever scam a satoshi, which is just educating them on how to better fleece users here in the future.

[Timelord2067]

(35/135)*(34/134)*(23/123)*(33/133)=0.3% chance indeed!

I think youll find it's (100/135)*(100/134)*(100/123)*(100/133)=??% chance given there are ?always? one hundred selected each month while the number of candidates each month varies.

... and I've been selected to DT1 for the fourth month in a row.

[LoyceV]

I think youll find it's (100/135)*(100/134)*(100/123)*(100/133)=??% chance given there are ?always? one hundred selected each month while the number of candidates each month varies.

That's the chance to be on DT1 for the past 4 months in a row: 33.8%.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I just noticed something and I thought it's better to post here instead of starting a new topic...

So I knew that the feedbacks given by DT (I mean DT1) users change the Trust score but I noticed that also DT2 users' feedbacks change the Trust score. I was not aware of this. Is this normal? I checked this by looking at a profile URL and adding ";dt" at the end of the URL, of course, in order to see that profile the way it shows when being watched from DT perspective.

I searched for some reference about who exactly can modify the Trust score (within topics like Marketplace trust, Minor trust score algorithm change or current topic itself), but all I could find was inside a topic written in 2018 by S_Therapist ([Explained] How Trust Score is calculated):

This calculation is applied when a user never received a negative feedback from DT.

From the above mentioned sentence it's reflected the fact that DT users' feedbacks can influence the Trust score. However, I did not see this information in the "official" threads, nor other information specifying if DT2 users can also influence Trust score.


Furthermore, if DT2 users can influence Trust score, is there any other level of DT which can influence it (DT3 / DT4)?

[LoyceV]

So I knew that the feedbacks given by DT (I mean DT1) users change the Trust score but I noticed that also DT2 users' feedbacks change the Trust score. I was not aware of this. Is this normal? I checked this by looking at a profile URL and adding ";dt" at the end of the URL, of course, in order to see that profile the way it shows when being watched from DT perspective.

That's normal, and as far as I know has always been this way. By default, the Trust settings use Trust depth 2.

Furthermore, if DT2 users can influence Trust score, is there any other level of DT which can influence it (DT3 / DT4)?

Yes, change the Trust depth. Anything above 2 is likely to make that page very slow to load.
Note that the Trust depth doesn't only apply to DefaultTrust, it applies to your own custom Trust list too. So you trust the inclusions of the users who are on your own Trust list and the users on their Trust lists.
See Personal Full Trust Depth viewer for all users for the large recursive implications this has. If you want an update: post there.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Yes, change the Trust depth. Anything above 2 is likely to make that page very slow to load.
Note that the Trust depth doesn't only apply to DefaultTrust, it applies to your own custom Trust list too. So you trust the inclusions of the users who are on your own Trust list and the users on their Trust lists.
See Personal Full Trust Depth viewer for all users for the large recursive implications this has. If you want an update: post there.

Uhm, from the above mentioned quote it seems I was not, perhaps, too clear. What I meant is this: I know that if I set my Trust settings to 1, 2, 3 or 4 the Trust scores of others will be shown (to me) being influenced by my Trust list and the Trust depth I set. But if I choose to see a profile by adding a ";dt" at the end of its URL, I should see its Trust score as seen by DT, correct?

And seeing that DT2 users can also influence the "real" score, I was wondering if DT3 or DT4 can influence the real score too. By "real" score I mean the score seen when adding a ";dt" at the end of the profile URL. So practically if a DT2 user gives a positive feedback to a profile, the profile's positive score appears as "+1" when seen with the ";dt" added to its URL. Does the same happen if a DT3 or DT4 user adds a positive feedback? This should not be influenced by the Trust depth you set yourself, nor by your custom Trust list, if you look at the respective profile with thew ";dt" added at the end of its URL, right...?

And regarding this part

That's normal, and as far as I know has always been this way. By default, the Trust settings use Trust depth 2.

It may have been always this way (and I am sure of this)... What I was wondering about is that it is not specified anyway that DT2 users can also influence the "real" Trust score of a user, by giving a positive / negative / neutral feedback. However, we go again to the above part: if you set the depth to any value, it should not matter when viewing the profile with the ";dt" at the end of its URL... Do I understand this part wrongfully.? Or, rather, did I explain better now what I wanted to say...?

[LoyceV]

I choose to see a profile by adding a ";dt" at the end of its URL, I should see its Trust score as seen by DT, correct?

Correct.

And seeing that DT2 users can also influence the "real" score, I was wondering if DT3 or DT4 can influence the real score too.

Nope.

Does the same happen if a DT3 or DT4 user adds a positive feedback?

Nope.

";dt" added at the end of its URL

This shows feedback as seen with only DefaultTrust and Trust depth 2 (AKA anyone who hasn't changed their Trust list).

What I was wondering about is that it is not specified anyway that DT2 users can also influence the "real" Trust score of a user, by giving a positive / negative / neutral feedback. However, we go again to the above part: if you set the depth to any value, it should not matter when viewing the profile with the ";dt" at the end of its URL...

That's what I always assumed. But it's easy to test: change the depth to 1, and see if my feedback changes. I just tried: it's the same. So ";dt" works as expected and has nothing to do with your personal settings.

[suchmoon]

It may have been always this way (and I am sure of this)... What I was wondering about is that it is not specified anyway that DT2 users can also influence the "real" Trust score of a user, by giving a positive / negative / neutral feedback. However, we go again to the above part: if you set the depth to any value, it should not matter when viewing the profile with the ";dt" at the end of its URL... Do I understand this part wrongfully.? Or, rather, did I explain better now what I wanted to say...?

You're overcomplicating this

The purpose of ";dt" is to override any of your personal trust settings and show the ratings how they would look like to a newbie who just registered on the forum (or anyone who doesn't have custom trust settings). Not sure what you mean by "real" score but it sounds like it's the same as ";dt". And as LoyceV said, it is always depth=2 because that's the default setting for new users. That's the "specification" you're looking for.

[GazetaBitcoin]

That's what I always assumed. But it's easy to test: change the depth to 1, and see if my feedback changes. I just tried: it's the same. So ";dt" works as expected and has nothing to do with your personal settings.

I things we clarified everything now Thank you, LoyceV!

You're overcomplicating this

I was also thinking that I am doing this while writing my post

The purpose of ";dt" is to override any of your personal trust settings and show the ratings how they would look like to a newbie who just registered on the forum (or anyone who doesn't have custom trust settings).

Yup, correct, that's what I knew.

Not sure what you mean by "real" score but it sounds like it's the same as ";dt".

And yes, this is what I meant:

By "real" score I mean the score seen when adding a ";dt" at the end of the profile URL.

And as LoyceV said, it is always depth=2 because that's the default setting for new users. That's the "specification" you're looking for.

Thank you suchmoon, now I understand better. In conclusion, any DT1 and DT2 can alterate a user's (real) Trust score, but DT 3 and DT4 can't. And DT2 are able to as by default the Trust depth is set to 2.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I see another pattern, when I was active last year I was on DT2 a lot, now since I'm less active this year I've been only on DT1, lol.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

[irfan_pak10]

I see another pattern, when I was active last year I was on DT2 a lot, now since I'm less active this year I've been only on DT1, lol.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

I'm curious too, I'm not very much into the DT system, My name does show in the DT Update log for this month, but I don't see a tag on my profile as you do.

[LoyceV]

I don't see a tag on my profile as you do.

See: [β] BPIP Extension: user info & extra features add-on/extension, Firefox/Chrome.

[icopress]

I'm curious too, I'm not very much into the DT system, My name does show in the DT Update log for this month, but I don't see a tag on my profile as you do.

I am a little late in answering but ... You don't have this badge as Timelord2067 has the right to vote this month and he voted ^{[Ctrl + F your username]} against you (he doesn't trust you, probably for the same reason why he doesn't trust others). For this reason, you are not on DT1 and the members you trust are not directly DT2 (if you are wondering why your trust rating has dropped).

[irfan_pak10]

I don't see a tag on my profile as you do.

See: [β] BPIP Extension: user info & extra features add-on/extension, Firefox/Chrome.

I'm using this for a few months and I'm very grateful of BPIP system.

I'm curious too, I'm not very much into the DT system, My name does show in the DT Update log for this month, but I don't see a tag on my profile as you do.

I am a little late in answering but ... You don't have this badge as Timelord2067 has the right to vote this month and he voted ^{[Ctrl + F your username]} against you (he doesn't trust you, probably for the same reason why he doesn't trust others). For this reason, you are not on DT1 and the members you trust are not directly DT2 (if you are wondering why your trust rating has dropped).

hmm, I see. thanks