The First Seastead is in the water

[BADecker]

How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?

For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.

How many catamarans in the ocean have water pumps for fire suppression? The platform I'm in is close to the living space of a large catamaran (at a much lower price).

A fire extinguisher should be fine.

You know keeping a fresh water reservoir of some kind could be used as ballast as well as for fire suppression, especially if you had a smaller elevated tank. Pumping the water up would also be a viable method of storing any extra energy you collect to then later use the potential energy to run a generator via gravity flow. I know you are trying to keep it minimal, but some times good design will do everything you need and more.

Well...we have the hose in the kitchen sink to fresh water. And the bathroom. Only other room is the bedroom.

This isn't a Blue Frontiers seastead where we theorize about all sorts of tech that has been done in some lab somewhere. We buy stuff at the store and use it.

Google "graphene salt water filter" to see that it won't be long before anybody will be able to have his own seawater to fresh water filter at a reasonable price. Of course, we will be able to flood the Sahara, etc. Will anybody still be interested in Seasteading when dry lands are opened up for habitation?

However, regarding Seasteading in general, look at what the Revelation in the Bible says, Revelation 13:1:

The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.

Is this what Seasteading is going to turn into? And maybe because of graphene seawater filters upsetting Seasteaders.

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[Elwar]

How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?

For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.

How many catamarans in the ocean have water pumps for fire suppression? The platform I'm in is close to the living space of a large catamaran (at a much lower price).

A fire extinguisher should be fine.

You know keeping a fresh water reservoir of some kind could be used as ballast as well as for fire suppression, especially if you had a smaller elevated tank. Pumping the water up would also be a viable method of storing any extra energy you collect to then later use the potential energy to run a generator via gravity flow. I know you are trying to keep it minimal, but some times good design will do everything you need and more.

Well...we have the hose in the kitchen sink to fresh water. And the bathroom. Only other room is the bedroom.

This isn't a Blue Frontiers seastead where we theorize about all sorts of tech that has been done in some lab somewhere. We buy stuff at the store and use it.

Google "graphene salt water filter" to see that it won't be long before anybody will be able to have his own seawater to fresh water filter at a reasonable price. Of course, we will be able to flood the Sahara, etc. Will anybody still be interested in Seasteading when dry lands are opened up for habitation?

However, regarding Seasteading in general, look at what the Revelation in the Bible says, Revelation 13:1:

The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.

Is this what Seasteading is going to turn into? And maybe because of graphene seawater filters upsetting Seasteaders.

I like graphene but it has been found that it could be deadly to humans.

It is so small and strong that if it gets into your body it tears your cells to shreds. I am reluctant to drink from a filter that may have many tiny graphene particles in it that will dice up my cells.

If it works then that would be great. Cheaper water makers for the seasteads.

[TECSHARE]

How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?

For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.

How many catamarans in the ocean have water pumps for fire suppression? The platform I'm in is close to the living space of a large catamaran (at a much lower price).

A fire extinguisher should be fine.

You know keeping a fresh water reservoir of some kind could be used as ballast as well as for fire suppression, especially if you had a smaller elevated tank. Pumping the water up would also be a viable method of storing any extra energy you collect to then later use the potential energy to run a generator via gravity flow. I know you are trying to keep it minimal, but some times good design will do everything you need and more.

Well...we have the hose in the kitchen sink to fresh water. And the bathroom. Only other room is the bedroom.

This isn't a Blue Frontiers seastead where we theorize about all sorts of tech that has been done in some lab somewhere. We buy stuff at the store and use it.

This isn't cutting edge theoretical technology here. Not sure what you imagine I mean, but I imagine you have some kind of renewable energy system that includes batteries, in which case this could increase that capacity for energy storage for use off of peak generation times using simple pumps, tubes, and tubs. Not sure how you expect to grow with this kind of attitude, but was just trying to be constructive. I suppose I can go back to just ignoring this again... 

[Elwar]

How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?

For regular guy reading about fire in the middle of ocean this might sound silly but Actually this is a really important question but fire is ships biggest enemy. Structure should be as inflammable as possible and there should be ways to detect and put off fire fast.

How many catamarans in the ocean have water pumps for fire suppression? The platform I'm in is close to the living space of a large catamaran (at a much lower price).

A fire extinguisher should be fine.

You know keeping a fresh water reservoir of some kind could be used as ballast as well as for fire suppression, especially if you had a smaller elevated tank. Pumping the water up would also be a viable method of storing any extra energy you collect to then later use the potential energy to run a generator via gravity flow. I know you are trying to keep it minimal, but some times good design will do everything you need and more.

Well...we have the hose in the kitchen sink to fresh water. And the bathroom. Only other room is the bedroom.

This isn't a Blue Frontiers seastead where we theorize about all sorts of tech that has been done in some lab somewhere. We buy stuff at the store and use it.

This isn't cutting edge theoretical technology here. Not sure what you imagine I mean, but I imagine you have some kind of renewable energy system that includes batteries, in which case this could increase that capacity for energy storage for use off of peak generation times using simple pumps, tubes, and tubs. Not sure how you expect to grow with this kind of attitude, but was just trying to be constructive. I suppose I can go back to just ignoring this again... 

Would love to see your system in action.

[TECSHARE]

Would love to see your system in action.

Well it is not "my system", but rather some simple mechanical energy storage and generation methods you would be smart to take advantage of given the location and "off grid" requirements. You could do a scaled down version with some 50 gallon drums, and some small pumps which could run off of solar/wind etc during peak generation times. This potential energy in the form of stored water pressure could also be tapped for fire suppression in an emergency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObvQFX6noDw

This is a way scaled up version of what I am talking about, but it is an effective demonstration of concept.

Some other interesting energy solutions that might interest you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO3ab-IK2dI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktup6CAvfGo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2nNyaZ_Do

[BADecker]

Wave propelled boat.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wave+propelled+boat

https://www.greenoptimistic.com/wave-powered-boat-suntory-mermaid-2-20080707/

https://www.popsci.com/gear-gadgets/article/2008-02/wave-runner

[eddie13]

Could you post a blueprint of your spar or just its dimensions and a description of it's features such as ballast and containment areas?
Also could you say what the spar is costing you to make and what source materials you are using to make it?

I am most interested in the construction of the spar because I do that sort of thing (metalwork, fabrication) and I think I might have a lot of 2nd hand source material perfect for making such a thing local to me that can be had very cheap and have all of the tools at my disposal..

I have even had a "real job" making similar contraptions from raw materials from rolling sheet metal to finished tanks including cutting and welding, installing fittings, pressure testing, you name it. From blueprint to finished product.
I also have experience pressure testing and pumping well over 10,000 psi.
I have plasma and oxyacetylene cutting tools available and many types of welding machines and very competent welders.

I might be able to make these things very competitively with logical delivery to the gulf of mexico or the Atlantic by New York..

Just to kick around ideas..

[Elwar]

Could you post a blueprint of your spar or just its dimensions and a description of it's features such as ballast and containment areas?
Also could you say what the spar is costing you to make and what source materials you are using to make it?

I am most interested in the construction of the spar because I do that sort of thing (metalwork, fabrication) and I think I might have a lot of 2nd hand source material perfect for making such a thing local to me that can be had very cheap and have all of the tools at my disposal..

I have even had a "real job" making similar contraptions from raw materials from rolling sheet metal to finished tanks including cutting and welding, installing fittings, pressure testing, you name it. From blueprint to finished product.
I also have experience pressure testing and pumping well over 10,000 psi.
I have plasma and oxyacetylene cutting tools available and many types of welding machines and very competent welders.

I might be able to make these things very competitively with logical delivery to the gulf of mexico or the Atlantic by New York..

Just to kick around ideas..

I have most of the specs here:
https://www.seasteadtalk.org/forum/engineering-discussion/51-xlii-specs

The spar is rolled steel tubes about 1.5 meters each welded together to get to the 20 meters. 14mm thick steel.

Ballast area on the bottom is about 1.5 meters walled off then filled with concrete. We also added about 10 tons of sand to the main area that became ballast when we flipped it.

Initial cost was around $30k but being a prototype and never having done this before we had to pay another $10k or so for incidentals.

Now that we have the process down we will likely be making mass steel purchases from China to bring that cost down for the production version, while ramping up the quality.

If you're up for seasteading we are hoping to move most of the metal and fiberglass work to the seastead so that we can grow the economy of the seastead by building seasteads.

[BADecker]

I went to your link at seasteadtalk.org. It is very interesting. How is Joe Quirk hooked up to you, or are you two different groups?

[Elwar]

I went to your link at seasteadtalk.org. It is very interesting. How is Joe Quirk hooked up to you, or are you two different groups?

Joe came out last month and spent about 3 weeks with us. He was able to watch the platform go in the water.

He is putting full support of the seasteading institute behind it because it's the first actual seastead being built.

[BADecker]

I went to your link at seasteadtalk.org. It is very interesting. How is Joe Quirk hooked up to you, or are you two different groups?

Joe came out last month and spent about 3 weeks with us. He was able to watch the platform go in the water.

He is putting full support of the seasteading institute behind it because it's the first actual seastead being built.

Good (I think). A project like this is more basic than Sealand. It needs more working together than simply refurbishing something that was already there. Stick together, and don't get into arguments that could destroy your collaboration.

[primeluck]

Is the concept of creating permanent dwellings at sea.

[BADecker]

Is the concept of creating permanent dwellings at sea.

Very humid.     

[otrkid1970]

Will this Community of Seasteaders have their own rules to follow?  If so isn't that part of the problem that you are trying to leave behind ? Rules,Laws ,Restrictions etc. etc.

[Elwar]

Will this Community of Seasteaders have their own rules to follow?  If so isn't that part of the problem that you are trying to leave behind ? Rules,Laws ,Restrictions etc. etc.

Community? We're building homes on the sea. Who said anything about building a community?

[BADecker]

^^^ What do you mean? China built, like, 20 gigantic cities in different areas of China. They are barely inhabited if they are at all. You are going to float a bunch of "houses" on the ocean?

[coolcoinz]

Will this Community of Seasteaders have their own rules to follow?  If so isn't that part of the problem that you are trying to leave behind ? Rules,Laws ,Restrictions etc. etc.

Community? We're building homes on the sea. Who said anything about building a community?

Your questions imply that I plan on just living in my seastead alone like a hermit just to escape laws.

The point is to grow a community. That's why we are selling the first 20 at cost. We want this to grow. We want to have a society out on the sea.

The sovereignty allows for a clean slate in starting many different societies. I don't want to have a single seastead nation evolve from this. I want hundreds of small communities to choose from. Each with its own benefits. But each so much better than anything on land.

The production versions will have active mooring which will allow you to move your home as you see fit. If you don't like your neighbors...just move.

As for initially being occupied. My gf and I will have plenty to do. We lived in a small bungalow in Tahiti and spent most of our time there. Her cooking and me on the 'net or reading.

We can go SCUBA diving and swimming. I plan on growing a coral garden on the spar and raising reef fish. Drone fishing...

Most importantly we have Internet so I'll never get bored.

And we can go into town. Either to Phuket or one of the islands.

But I imagine as people begin moving out there we will be very busy helping the newcomers get adjusted and enjoy a growing community.

You did

I like this project, it's a great idea, as long as you find living in a tiny house comfortable.

[Febo]

Will this Community of Seasteaders have their own rules to follow?  If so isn't that part of the problem that you are trying to leave behind ? Rules,Laws ,Restrictions etc. etc.

More general thread about seasteading is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1814814.100






So if I read on forum right plan was to set seastead this weekend. That already passed in Thailand. Did it happened or weather was still bad?

[ovcijisir]

I am fascinated by your project!

I have few questions about your project:

How many seasteads are built already? How much do you plan to build?

What is the cost of one seastead?

How big is the living space in one seastead compared to apartment?

What are location requirements for your seastead (minimum and max. sea depth, can it be installed in the middle of the ocean?)

[BADecker]

I wonder how many different Seasteading groups exist out there.

When I went to https://www.seasteading.org/, their main picture at the top of the page was entirely different than those that Elwar is showing us of his seastead construction. Also, I received my monthly email from Joe's group (the link above), and there didn't seem to be any mention of Elwar's project, but at least one other project was mentioned.

It seems that there are several different serious groups doing this, and most of them don't have a big way of advertising (or don't want to) so that we don't even know that they exist.