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January 11, 2019, 09:14:29 PM
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BPIP now has another useless report, taking advantage of all the current trust hype!

https://bpip.org/r/trustsent.aspx

This was supposed to launch with the rest of the trust tracking, but recent changes have delayed that.

You can click on the column titles to sort.

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January 11, 2019, 09:31:00 PM
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January 11, 2019, 09:34:07 PM
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What's going on here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2380455

Looks like a case for admin intervention.

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January 11, 2019, 09:52:51 PM
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What's going on here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2380455

Looks like a case for admin intervention.
I think it'll be helpful if Theymos limited the number of feedback's that can be sent in a short period to prevent similar abuse in the future.

@Vod: Really amazing work you've been doing with BPIP.
BTW, How do you manage to parse every user's profile without triggering Cloudflare? You've parsed ~23m pages so far. Wink
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BTW, How do you manage to parse every user's profile without triggering Cloudflare? You've parsed ~23m pages so far. Wink

Time.  Smiley   Theymos restricts it to one page per second per IP.  I have a few parsers running in case one fails, and I parse about 3-4 pages a second.

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BTW, How do you manage to parse every user's profile without triggering Cloudflare? You've parsed ~23m pages so far. Wink

Time.  Smiley   Theymos restricts it to one page per second per IP.  I have a few parsers running in case one fails, and I parse about 3-4 pages a second.
Thanks a lot @Vod. I forget that darn sleep command. Tongue

Time.  Smiley   Theymos restricts it to one page per second per IP.  I have a few parsers running in case one fails, and I parse about 3-4 pages a second.
I'm assuming you have multiple parsers that binds to different IPs to achieve 4 PPS without triggering the one PPS limit. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I'm assuming you have multiple parsers that binds to different IPs to achieve 4 PPS without triggering the one page per second limit. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct.  The parser uses so little resources I can run it on a free AWS server, so I could have an unlimited number of them.  But I don't want to overload the forum or risk getting banned - without Theymos' cooperation BPIP would not exist as it does now.  On the flip side, I wonder how much I am helping the forum by reducing people's research time and page views.  Smiley

As you can tell by the last parsed dates on a lot of reports, BPIP is doing a good job of keeping data in "near time".   I project that once I am parsing posts as well, I will need a maximum of five parses a second.  I'm sure this forum can handle that. 

I use NordVPN to connect each of my home PCs on a different IP address.   It's so reliable I am on it 24x7 and don't notice any issues.

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I'm assuming you have multiple parsers that binds to different IPs to achieve 4 PPS without triggering the one page per second limit. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You are correct.  The parser uses so little resources I can run it on a free AWS server, so I could have an unlimited number of them.  But I don't want to overload the forum or risk getting banned - without Theymos' cooperation BPIP would not exist as it does now.  On the flip side, I wonder how much I am helping the forum by reducing people's research time and page views.  Smiley

As you can tell by the last parsed dates on a lot of reports, BPIP is doing a good job of keeping data in "near time".
Yeah, BPIP is an awesome project that unifies many aspects of user research into a simple interface and in return I'm pretty sure many users don't need additional visits to bitcointalk which surely does help reduce forum load. Wink


I'm assuming you have multiple parsers that binds to different IPs to achieve 4 PPS without triggering the one page per second limit. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I project that once I am parsing posts as well, I will need a maximum of five parses a second.  I'm sure this forum can handle that. 
Isn't it possible to achieve that with a single parser using the recent posts feed?

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Isn't it possible to achieve that with a single parser using the recent posts feed?

Well yes, that is the most efficient way to get the newest posts.

I should only have to parse that page once every few seconds.  It only shows the last ten posts, and they can come in pretty quick.

I wish I knew of way to get more posts on the page, then I wouldn't have to parse it so often.

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Interesting addition to BPIP! Although it feels bad finding myself so far down it makes me realize I have to start dishing it out more frequently, I've been slacking lately so time to change that as I echo what Lauda said. (About game on!)

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Is that a bug? It says times merited while it's about trust feedback. Also, it should be an amount but displaying names.

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Is that a bug? It says times merited while it's about trust feedback. Also, it should be an amount but displaying names.

Yeah, I forgot to tell the web designer about the new page.  :/

He writes the CSS that generates the mobile view.

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It would be interesting if on the landing page when we clicked on the title of a ranking it would open a bigger list. "Most Merited", "Most Activity", "Most Trusted"
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Is that a bug? It says times merited while it's about trust feedback. Also, it should be an amount but displaying names.
Yeah, I forgot to tell the web designer about the new page.  :/
All good now!!  Grin

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The Pharmacist has sent more ratings then me Huh Okay, time for kitty to wake up from winter sleep. Game on!
Did you just tag like 600+ accounts, just to be #1 again? Cheesy You must have missed DT Cheesy

I had this crazy idea to tag 160,000 banned users, but theymos thought I shouldn't:
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does it cause problems to the forum if a user leaves feedback to 160,000 users?
It wouldn't significantly bloat the database or anything, but the userpage would definitely time out. Probably you shouldn't.
So this idea is off, Piggy's bot won't tag them.
At some point, Lauda's trust page will time out too.

What's going on here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2380455

Looks like a case for admin intervention.
That was handled very fast! I've seen topics about trust-spam go unhandled for months. This is good Smiley

Isn't it possible to achieve that with a single parser using the recent posts feed?
Well yes, that is the most efficient way to get the newest posts.

I should only have to parse that page once every few seconds.  It only shows the last ten posts, and they can come in pretty quick.
I'm downloading it every few seconds, but it can be improved by adjusting for the average number of posts in the past minutes. And if you miss a post due to a quick burst of posts, you could download page 2 or further to catch up.

It would also be very nice to have a real time backup of every merited post, BPIP would be the ideal place to find back the ones that got deleted.

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The Pharmacist has sent more ratings then me Huh Okay, time for kitty to wake up from winter sleep. Game on!
Did you just tag like 600+ accounts, just to be #1 again? Cheesy You must have missed DT Cheesy
I had nightmares about this and couldn't sleep, so I did some catching up. Grin Or maybe I just casted a spell that automatically tagged all those people, who knows.

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Why is it the attitude becomes negative? Is it a bad attitude if you have given too much Negative feedbacks?
As I can see Attitude = PF-NF,... So by the means of this you'll be determine as having a good attitude if you're sending many PF rather than NF. Or is it just somekind of mistake?



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Lauda has commited again various massacres everywhere just to become no. 1 Cheesy. Just in a short time he surpassed The Pharmacist by a hundred of feedbacks more.

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Lauda has commited again various massacres everywhere just to become no. 1 Cheesy. Just in a short time he surpassed The Pharmacist by a hundred of feedbacks more.
This isn't even my final form. I ran out of reports to catch up to. Tongue

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January 12, 2019, 08:11:52 PM
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Lauda has commited again various massacres everywhere just to become no. 1 Cheesy. Just in a short time he surpassed The Pharmacist by a hundred of feedbacks more.
This isn't even my final form. I ran out of reports to catch up to. Tongue

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January 12, 2019, 10:10:06 PM
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As I can see Attitude = PF-NF,... So by the means of this you'll be determine as having a good attitude if you're sending many PF rather than NF. Or is it just somekind of mistake?

"Attitude" is just a term I chose to describe the positive feedback minus the negative feedback.   It does not describe the personality of the profile in any way.

I believe, and time will tell, that people will higher attitudes will get more trust and merit.

Lauda PMed me a bug report that turned out to be a design flaw.  To not parse the trust page every time (which is a second page load after the profile page), it would only do it if the trust numbers on the profile page changed.  Leaving someone feedback does not change any of those numbers.

I will modify the code as follows:
1) LoyceV suggested I parse the profile after it receives merit.  Trust will not be parsed.
2) The profile is parsed on a regular schedule.  Trust may or may not be parsed, depending on current activity.
3) When someone clicks the refresh button, trust will be parsed.

I will make the changes when I come back from the Oilers game tonight.   Grin


At some point, Lauda's trust page will time out too.

At any time, he can add pagination to the code.  5,000 or even 10,000 records might be a good limit.  That would mean 99.99996% of profiles (one out of 2.5 million) would never need it.  Smiley


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