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January 15, 2019, 06:53:20 PM
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Also btw, I'm pretty sure he's asking the people with signatures to respond to the forums. I haven't asked anyone to defend or represent me. The people that are defending me are just random passerbys who obviously see the poor state in which you guys are assuming your position so I have a majority favor of unbiased people who don't agree with FortuneJack, where as FortuneJack has... it's affiliates. Really looking good there boys. Keep it up.
I swear we're gonna see a wave of users with no signatures just because I posted this arguing against me. Well at least we can't say I didn't see that coming. Good luck with the endeavors and good luck defending anything David posted because he seemingly just chose to ignore the other 10 hours I played on the website and just tried to wing it and reach the finish with his shoes untied.

Can't see any credibility when you compare his evidence to mine. Yet in fact few hours from not guaranteed he'll jump right back on here and say something close to his previous statement because you guys like to ride that bug pony over and over again. Just can't seem to point out anything different. Where I pointed out everything that was wrong with this case from it's inception. Regarding rules, bugged money, my money, removal of my money, and the companies gross negligence. So bring the troopers out. I'm ready to hear every half-assed speech coming out of FortuneJack and it's investors/sig holders.
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January 15, 2019, 06:53:45 PM
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Private information is who I choose to disclose the information to. So if it is a discord group I disclose that I am ok with all the members seeing my information I amd allowing them to view my profile and my username. See the point I'm trying to make whether it's a picture of my face from 20 feet away or from 5 feet away. He's not allowed to disclose anything without asking first or taking time to crop out the information to prevent other users from seeing.
I'm with Lauda on this one, in an open case like this one you cannot choose what information you just want to show as in any legal court that can be considered as withholding information/evidence. After all you are not asking any permission from FJ when you are posting your screenshots by yourself, why can't they do it too? I know its hard to look at but with your convo with David it seems to look like you really appreciated that they refunded your deposit back, what it looks to me now is you are unsatisfied with what you got (who knows what happened in your mind) and you are trying to extort the money out from FJ.

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January 15, 2019, 06:54:03 PM
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Also btw, I'm pretty sure he's asking the people with signatures to respond to the forums. I haven't asked anyone to defend or represent me.
FJ has not asked me to do anything, ever IIRC. I think I found it either randomly looking at the section or by looking through the post history of the troll Butterscotch Cartman; can't remember anymore.

The people that are defending me are just random passerbys who obviously see the poor state in which you guys are assuming your position so I have a majority favor of unbiased people who don't agree with FortuneJack, where as FortuneJack has... it's affiliates. Really looking good there boys. Keep it up.
I'm not a FJ affiliate and I would strongly advise you against making false accusations of collusion as that will: 1) Kill your case. 2) Kill your reputation. This wouldn't be the first time that it backfired on someone; nobody likes liars/conspiracy loons.

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January 15, 2019, 06:54:35 PM
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If you take a compensation (in this case a bug bounty), you are legally entitled to nothing.
This is my current opinion on bugs and compensations and we can leave it at that.
Of course it is...  Considering it is the exact opposite response you would and have had if/when you weren't wearing their signature.  Funny how your ethics depend on whether or not you're paid by the offender.  Your word is meaningless and your opinions clouded by greed.  This is yet another example of why you belong nowhere near any sort of position of trust.
You really need to stop spreading unecessary lies and derailing the thread. Thanks.

You really need to stop being tied to scams.  Literally everything you touch turns into a scam.  ICOs you escrow, signatures you wear, somehow people always end up having their money stolen, and it always seems to not be your fault, then it happens again.  
Lol, shots fired.
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January 15, 2019, 06:55:51 PM
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Also btw, I'm pretty sure he's asking the people with signatures to respond to the forums. I haven't asked anyone to defend or represent me.
FJ has not asked me to do anything, ever IIRC. I think I found it either randomly looking at the section or by looking through the post history of the troll Butterscotch Cartman; can't remember anymore.

The people that are defending me are just random passerbys who obviously see the poor state in which you guys are assuming your position so I have a majority favor of unbiased people who don't agree with FortuneJack, where as FortuneJack has... it's affiliates. Really looking good there boys. Keep it up.
I'm not a FJ affiliate and I would strongly advise you against making false accusations of collusion as that will: 1) Kill your case. 2) Kill your reputation. Nobody likes liars.
Whoa poncho relax I didn't say you, but makes you wonder what made you jump to that conclusion on your own when I never brought up any names. *thinking*
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January 15, 2019, 06:56:37 PM
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I'm not a FJ affiliate

While wearing an FJ signature.  You can't make this stuff up folks.  Lauda really is this delusional.  


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January 15, 2019, 06:57:56 PM
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Also btw, I'm pretty sure he's asking the people with signatures to respond to the forums. I haven't asked anyone to defend or represent me.
FJ has not asked me to do anything, ever IIRC. I think I found it either randomly looking at the section or by looking through the post history of the troll Butterscotch Cartman; can't remember anymore.

The people that are defending me are just random passerbys who obviously see the poor state in which you guys are assuming your position so I have a majority favor of unbiased people who don't agree with FortuneJack, where as FortuneJack has... it's affiliates. Really looking good there boys. Keep it up.
I'm not a FJ affiliate and I would strongly advise you against making false accusations of collusion as that will: 1) Kill your case. 2) Kill your reputation. This wouldn't be the first time that it backfired on someone; nobody likes liars/conspiracy loons.
Also is that advice you're giving to David? Because I think he really needed to hear that from someone I just didn't want to be the one to say it.
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January 15, 2019, 07:04:52 PM
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nobody likes liars/conspiracy loons.

Says the biggest liar & scammer on the forum

Nothing new to see here. Another Fortune Jack scam and their paid shills defending them.
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January 15, 2019, 07:11:37 PM
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nobody likes liars/conspiracy loons.

Says the biggest liar & scammer on the forum

Nothing new to see here. Another Fortune Jack scam and their paid shills defending them.
Lol dang, think there's people out to get you Lauda. Is this the conspiracy I've been warned about?!
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January 15, 2019, 07:55:23 PM
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Admit that you don't deserve the 20 BTC. As far as I can understand the issue, you:

-saw a new game introduced
-then saw a bug bounty for it
-then played the game
-then you notice that you're repeatedly winning it
-then instead of reporting the bug, you continued to play the game repeatedly for a number of hours
-then you think that you deserve the win

LOL
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January 15, 2019, 08:03:20 PM
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Admit that you don't deserve the 20 BTC. As far as I can understand the issue, you:

-saw a new game introduced
-then saw a bug bounty for it
-then played the game
-then you notice that you're repeatedly winning it
-then instead of reporting the bug, you continued to play the game repeatedly for a number of hours
-then you think that you deserve the win

LOL
sigh I hate the fact that I have to repost this story every God damn time one of these comes along.

Hopefully this clears it for you and the next 5 clones exactly like you assuming exactly the same thing.

Hello, someone on BTCointalk said that I should inquire to you about a problem I have recently had with FJ if you could please take a look.

Hello FortuneJack community my username is < username removed > on the website known popularly as fortunejack.com. I am coming to you today as a recent player on it's website who has not been paid my earnings and have been robbed because of a bug which occured on one of there games. Below is a full break down of the events that have occurred.

(TL;DR below)

Yesterday, I had made a small deposit to FortuneJack. They had recently sent me a notifcation asking to try a new game and I was intrigued. During the game I had accrued some amount of funds roughly amounting 2 BTC. I, in my belief was that I had acquired these winnings fairly without any fraudulent or illegal play. Later I try to make a small withdrawal of roughly a quarter of my winnings around .45 BTC, which then said was undergoing review. I thought everything was fine up till this point.

This is where it gets interesting. As the night progresses, I am still on the site gambling for nearly 8 hours, eventually heading over to there plinko page. I keep playing and playing and then the jackpot hit. You should understand I was literally speechless when this happened. It was a payout of 20 BTC.

About 15 minutes later however, all the funds in my account were subtracted and later they had claimed that my winnings on Adrenaline were obtained due to a bug, and that they therefore would have to penalize ALL the money I acquired. Clearly this is unjustifiable. Even if the winnings I won in Adrenaline were from a bug. I had been on the casino website for nearly 8 hours. I am sure I have wagered over 10000x my initial deposit. Even if the casino were to claim that I won a small amount from a bug, the plinko bet was won fair and square. They even know this because they have nothing to say about it, but simply because of the Adrenaline game which THEY advertised me to play, they are refusing my winnings. I am coming to the community here today to see what they have to say about this. I am being robbed for playing a game they had suggested to me?

TL;DR Won a total of 22 BTC -20 from Plinko jackpot 1000x and 2 from Adrenaline. Fortunejack siezed all earnings claiming a bug from the game Adrenaline which was advertised by them
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January 15, 2019, 08:03:49 PM
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If the OP would have been issued the bug bounty from his encounter from the new game, he could have used that money to play the 2nd game and win the jackpot.

I don’t see any reason why the new game being buggy would affect the OPs ability to win the jackpot.

I am not surprised to see certain people wearing a FJ signature defending FJ, even though they have taken an opposite stance in similar situations in the past.

Find the fire hydrant in my Avatar for a prize.
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January 15, 2019, 08:06:23 PM
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If the OP would have been issued the bug bounty from his encounter from the new game, he could have used that money to play the 2nd game and win the jackpot.

I don’t see any reason why the new game being buggy would affect the OPs ability to win the jackpot.

I am not surprised to see certain people wearing a FJ signature defending FJ, even though they have taken an opposite stance in similar situations in the past.
Jesus Christ finally someone that thinks with some logic.
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My whole problem would be the fact he was allowed to play for apparently 13 hours. If FJ was being messaged by other players about this bug, why weren't all funds from everyone playing this game frozen? Why was the player allowed to keep playing? What times frames are we looking at between the bug starting, players reporting the bug, user making x number of WD attempts?

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January 15, 2019, 08:38:17 PM
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Why was the player allowed to keep playing?

Either incompetence or because they thought he would lose eventually and they wanted to keep his money

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Why was the player allowed to keep playing?

Either incompetence or because they thought he would lose eventually and they wanted to keep his money
Possibly correct. We prob wouldn't be discussing this had there not been a large jackpot won.

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January 15, 2019, 08:56:00 PM
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Why was the player allowed to keep playing?
Either incompetence or because they thought he would lose eventually and they wanted to keep his money
I'm not a gambler and never used FortuneJack, but that sounds like something a casino would do--especially a crypto one.

My question is whether OP was gambling with funds he obtained via the bug when he hit the jackpot, and whether that's acceptable or not.  I honestly don't have a hard and fast opinion on that, but it would seem to be that if this was the case (that he didn't legitimately win the money he used to win the jackpot), FJ is in the right.  And that's what their argument is, too. 

What would happen if you were in a real casino and knew a slot machine was broken in such a way that the casino no longer had the edge, and the casino didn't happen to know that.  You use the broken machine to win some money that you later bet on the blackjack table--and you win big there.  Should the casino honor any of your bets?  I really don't know the rules, but it seems sketchy on the gambler's part in that case, because he knows he's playing a broken machine.  Sure you could say, "Well, that's not my problem, it's the casino's" but that doesn't sound right to me.

With what was presented here, I think it's at best way too early to start calling FJ sig campaigners as scam promoters, especially when there are long-standing grudges obviously coming out and the typical mudslinging as a result.  If OP broke FJ's rules, he shouldn't keep the money.  If FJ doesn't have any rules covering such a situation, they should pay out.  I'm just going to see how this goes down.

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January 15, 2019, 08:56:52 PM
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 I have not gone into much details of your problem, i don't know if you got scammed or trying to scam but I skimmed real fast though the comments and here is a thing you should know

- You still reserve the right to file a lawsuit even after accepting compensation as long as you have not signed a legal agreement that forbids you from suing them for the exact same case , if you signed on something like that, then it's game over, if not ! then you can still demand your 20btc + compensation.



depending on the proof / judge and what law-zone the website is obligated to follow your chances of winning the case can vary from guaranteed to nothing.
20BTC is a lot of money, call a lawyer and seek advice, but keep in mind if you are attempting to b.s and they can prove anything against you, you can be in deep shit too.

however there are two things i find "funny" from both of you

This goes to you .

1- why did you wait all this long to post on scam accusation, and if you were 100% sure you are right, why did you accept a compensation of 0.2btc only?

This goes to  FortuneJack

2- if you were so sure this player was abusing a bug on your system, why did you have to compensate him + give him his deposit back?



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January 15, 2019, 08:57:26 PM
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Why was the player allowed to keep playing?

Either incompetence or because they thought he would lose eventually and they wanted to keep his money
Possibly correct. We prob wouldn't be discussing this had there not been a large jackpot won.
I got to that conclusion as well and that would fall under their negligence would it not?
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January 15, 2019, 09:01:18 PM
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So was this game Adrenaline possible to lose at? Or could you only win. Surely there are safeguards that would trigger and alert somebody that there is somethin irregular happening in a game.
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