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January 15, 2019, 03:15:20 PM
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This "toxic masculinity" thing is going too far.  The attributes that make men masculine are not toxic, they are necessary for the survival of our species.  When a company who makes products for men starts insulting the very nature of their target demographic, just to appease some false sense of virtue, it makes me shudder to think how soft we've gotten as a culture.

Is this the best a man can get?

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January 15, 2019, 07:05:26 PM
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For me, I found the backlash hilarious. The memes, the fact that even ANTIFA told Gillette to fuck off and called them out for putting their name on a US football stadium that is the largest team sport of "toxic-masculinity" (which I like football, but still funny).

To seeing the extreme left defending it. I likened the ad to if DeBeers diamonds made a commercial about anti-racism. When the company makes it's money off exploiting poor Africans for the diamonds. It would be a good message, but it would be insulting my intelligence.
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January 15, 2019, 08:38:08 PM
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Late stage empires often experience this. The fighting age males are being feminized, marginalized, and neutralized in preparation for the collapse of our society as we know it, and make a totalitarian dictatorship that much easier to implement.
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January 15, 2019, 08:57:09 PM
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Late stage empires often experience this. The fighting age males are being feminized, marginalized, and neutralized in preparation for the collapse of our society as we know it, and make a totalitarian dictatorship that much easier to implement.

A fellow historian?  There are so many similarities to the fall of the Roman Empire and the current views of the Democratic Party that are gaining traction, it's like nobody is paying attention. 

Quote from:  George Santayana
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Another of my favorite quotes for good measure...

Quote from:  Donny Miller
In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.

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January 16, 2019, 04:16:03 AM
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A fellow historian?  There are so many similarities to the fall of the Roman Empire and the current views of the Democratic Party that are gaining traction, it's like nobody is paying attention.  ....

What do you see, given the changes, as the most important parallels?

Note some things are simply different. Today's fighting age male may operate (essentially) a mouse / joystick inside a Abrams tank; he may operate four Predator drones across the world from a base in Nevada. But he does not need thousands of hours of practice with spear and the sword.

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January 16, 2019, 04:37:22 AM
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I have to say the first part was moron to the max.
Boys will be boys chanting is not reality.

Yeah I mostly have heard women saying boys will be boys.

Not men. Now I am a 61 year old white male. That has been married to my wife for 32 years.

I lived in an Italian American neighborhood and since I was 3/4 Italian and 1/4 Norwegian I could not join the “club” so I joined the navy.

In general most men I know are not guilty of me too crimes.

Less then 1 in 20 would be bad guys.  So boys will be boys is exaggerated a lot.


I like that miss America pageant no longer has a swimsuit competition yet 25% of the state winners end up working in Asia or the Middle East as party girls.

Talk about hypocracy  Grin

Well I guess girls will be girls.

The movie crazy rich Asians has a scene on a boat for a bachelor party with a ton of hot contestant girls.

This is  a very common practice.

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January 16, 2019, 07:54:19 AM
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This thread is really just anger that males may have to actually be accountable for their actions and fear of a world where they can no longer behave with impunity. 


I like that miss America pageant no longer has a swimsuit competition yet 25% of the state winners end up working in Asia or the Middle East as party girls.

Talk about hypocracy  Grin

Well I guess girls will be girls.

The movie crazy rich Asians has a scene on a boat for a bachelor party with a ton of hot contestant girls.

This is  a very common practice.
Their efforts to reduce itemization of women and the existing demand for commodified women is not hypocrisy.  As long as there is uneven opportunity in the workforce, one cannot blame women for accepting their role in patriarchal society and taking these sorts of opportunities.
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January 16, 2019, 09:27:31 AM
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This thread is really just anger that males may have to actually be accountable for their actions and fear of a world where they can no longer behave with impunity. 


I like that miss America pageant no longer has a swimsuit competition yet 25% of the state winners end up working in Asia or the Middle East as party girls.

Talk about hypocracy  Grin

Well I guess girls will be girls.

The movie crazy rich Asians has a scene on a boat for a bachelor party with a ton of hot contestant girls.

This is  a very common practice.
Their efforts to reduce itemization of women and the existing demand for commodified women is not hypocrisy.  As long as there is uneven opportunity in the workforce, one cannot blame women for accepting their role in patriarchal society and taking these sorts of opportunities.


Yeah, MEN are unaccountable huh? I guess that's why men go to prison at a rate over 10x more than women, are about 80% of the homeless, and are falling behind in every stage of education. Take your postmodernist horse shit and shove it. You wanna be a eunuch, fine, but you don't get to dictate to the rest of the real men who run society for your pansy collectivist ass. If you feel I am wrong, feel free to bring some facts (I won't hold my breath), otherwise go fuck yourself with your Communist horse shit.
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January 16, 2019, 12:58:45 PM
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This thread is really just anger that males may have to actually be accountable for their actions and fear of a world where they can no longer behave with impunity.  ....

This thread is about an add by Gillette.

They are not getting any more of my money.

I predict a serious and permanent downtown in their sales.

You know what they say. "Get woke, go broke!"
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This thread is really just anger that males may have to actually be accountable for their actions and fear of a world where they can no longer behave with impunity.

You could make a career out being wrong.  

I don't fear being accountable for my actions.  I'm not a rapist, I don't harass women, I don't engage in the subjugation of women.  I've raised three daughters, well adjusted and college educated.  There's nothing to be held accountable for other than the fact that I am male, masculine, steadfast in my conservative attitude, and unapologetic about any of it.

What I fear is being held accountable for the actions of others, guilt by association, all because of my gender.


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January 16, 2019, 05:27:48 PM
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This thread is really just anger that males may have to actually be accountable for their actions and fear of a world where they can no longer behave with impunity.

You could make a career out being wrong. 

I don't fear being accountable for my actions.  I'm not ....

Coins4 has confirmed, though, that you are under attack by those of his ilk.

Secondly, he's parroted the lies which are used in the attack.

There's no reason to argue with him. He'll continue to parrot those lies because to him it does not matter if they are true. He is only concerned with the destruction of the social order and what he sees as power structures.
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Yeah, MEN are unaccountable huh? I guess that's why men go to prison at a rate over 10x more than women, are about 80% of the homeless, and are falling behind in every stage of education. ....

Correct me if you have different experience but I don't recall guys being angry when the "Me-too" nonsense arose. After the slimeballs were unable to get Trump with it, they figured to find some other targets.

I thought it was all rather hilarious actually.  But what's that have to do with Gillette moralizing and lecturing the entire male population?

Of course Gillette could produce an equal-annoying series of adds for women using a "Don't be bitches" theme, and lose sales from both sexes.

Wait....you say that'd be SEXIST???

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Nothing new here.  As George Carlin (RIP) would have said, its the the pussification of the American male.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSrzwB1DVFs
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This thread is really just anger that males may have to actually be accountable for their actions and fear of a world where they can no longer behave with impunity.  ....

This thread is about an add by Gillette.

They are not getting any more of my money.

I predict a serious and permanent downtown in their sales.

You know what they say. "Get woke, go broke!"

An advertisement you disagree with seems like a bad reason to want a company to go broke.  I'm actually surprised with how hard hitting some of these responses can be, while others fly under the radar.  Another recent example might be Tide, and backlash from the Tide Pod Challenge.  Conspiracy theorists out there might wonder if there's a competitor paying influencers to attack The Procter & Gamble Company's brands in an attempt to stir up public outrage and damage their revenue.




There are so many similarities to the fall of the Roman Empire and the current views of the Democratic Party that are gaining traction, it's like nobody is paying attention.

What do you see, given the changes, as the most important parallels?

Without writing a book...  I'd say the political failure to prioritize, specifically with regards to social issues.

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January 17, 2019, 01:28:49 AM
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The reason Marxism is so dangerous, is because it will destroy its host in order to reproduce its ideology. The power vacuum resulting in an opportunity for Communism to arise from the ashes. This includes individual organizations, and even on a more granular level individuals. In summary the smouldering hole that once was Gillet's market value is just a bonus on top of spreading their collectivized narcissistic mind virus.
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^There is no marxism in this topic or ad.  The ad is literally capitalist marketing.  Everything you don't like is marxism.
This thread is really just anger that males may have to actually be accountable for their actions and fear of a world where they can no longer behave with impunity.

You could make a career out being wrong.  

I don't fear being accountable for my actions.  I'm not a rapist, I don't harass women, I don't engage in the subjugation of women.  I've raised three daughters, well adjusted and college educated.  There's nothing to be held accountable for other than the fact that I am male, masculine, steadfast in my conservative attitude, and unapologetic about any of it.

What I fear is being held accountable for the actions of others, guilt by association, all because of my gender.



Its not holding you accountable for other men's actions.  Its holding you accountable for your actions.  The ad literally stated something llke "some men is not enough".  It is a call to action for the "good men" to do their part in holding "bad men" accountable for their actions.  Make it socially unacceptable to possess any of those behaviors you don't take part in.  

For example, your boy tells a story that sounds a bit like date rape.  LOSE YOUR SHIT and call him out on it telling him it is not ok.  If you don't do that sort of thing, YOU ARE GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION.   Don't tolerate any of those things.  Not even in jokes.    If you are already doing all you can do then fine, the ad isn't about you and you should find it helpful to your cause.  

This thread is really just anger that males may have to actually be accountable for their actions and fear of a world where they can no longer behave with impunity.  


I like that miss America pageant no longer has a swimsuit competition yet 25% of the state winners end up working in Asia or the Middle East as party girls.

Talk about hypocracy  Grin

Well I guess girls will be girls.

The movie crazy rich Asians has a scene on a boat for a bachelor party with a ton of hot contestant girls.

This is  a very common practice.
Their efforts to reduce itemization of women and the existing demand for commodified women is not hypocrisy.  As long as there is uneven opportunity in the workforce, one cannot blame women for accepting their role in patriarchal society and taking these sorts of opportunities.


Yeah, MEN are unaccountable huh? I guess that's why men go to prison at a rate over 10x more than women, are about 80% of the homeless, and are falling behind in every stage of education. Take your postmodernist horse shit and shove it. You wanna be a eunuch, fine, but you don't get to dictate to the rest of the real men who run society for your pansy collectivist ass. If you feel I am wrong, feel free to bring some facts (I won't hold my breath), otherwise go fuck yourself with your Communist horse shit.

The stats you continuously regurgitate are actually evidence of the problem.  Toxic masculinity is prevalent in male culture and conditions young boys to adopt reckless behaviors.  

You brought the facts for me.  Those extra men in prison or homelessness are victims of toxic masculinity.  We tell boys they aren't allowed to cry or express their emotions from a young age. This along with natural aggression is a toxic combination that maybe doesn't drive males to kill, but omits creating an environment that would help prevent such.
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January 17, 2019, 04:04:04 AM
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Its not holding you accountable for other men's actions.  Its holding you accountable for your actions.  The ad literally stated something llke "some men is not enough".  It is a call to action for the "good men" to do their part in holding "bad men" accountable for their actions.  Make it socially unacceptable to possess any of those behaviors you don't take part in.  

For example, your boy tells a story that sounds a bit like date rape.  LOSE YOUR SHIT and call him out on it telling him it is not ok.  If you don't do that sort of thing, YOU ARE GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION.   Don't tolerate any of those things.  Not even in jokes.    If you are already doing all you can do then fine, the ad isn't about you and you should find it helpful to your cause.  

That's exactly my point.  The ad assumes that men don't behave as you suggest they should, but that has been far from my experience.  It suggests that showing any masculinity is akin to being a misogynist or a bully.  What if the tables were turned?  What if there was an ad suggesting that displaying genuine feminine attributes was akin to being a slut?  How would you react to such an ad?  In a fully garnished dish of irony the ad portrays white men as villains and black men as the chivalrous heroes, yet the reality of popular culture demonstrates far more misogyny exists in rap music produced by black men.  Why are they not held accountable for their messages?

I know living in reality is not your strong suit, so I don't expect you to answer these questions with any coherency.

The truth is the ad panders to a millennial sense of propriety that exist only in a fantasy world.  It attempts to pander to a group of pantywaists by ridiculing the only group it's fashionable to ridicule.   It's okay to villainies men, and more specifically white, heterosexual men, but any other gender, race, or sexual orientation is off limits to scrutiny.

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January 17, 2019, 05:33:37 AM
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The stats you continuously regurgitate are actually evidence of the problem.  Toxic masculinity is prevalent in male culture and conditions young boys to adopt reckless behaviors.  

You brought the facts for me.  Those extra men in prison or homelessness are victims of toxic masculinity.  We tell boys they aren't allowed to cry or express their emotions from a young age. This along with natural aggression is a toxic combination that maybe doesn't drive males to kill, but omits creating an environment that would help prevent such.

Oh, I see. The fact that society treats men as disposable 2nd class citizens is all because of toxic masculinity! Oh it all makes so much sense now! It's all because no one taught them they could cry.. aw so simple.

Seriously though, I know crustaceans with more functional brain cells than you. The ad is 100% Marxism, straight out of critical theory. Of course you don't know a God damned thing about the origins of the ideologies you advocate for, so you wouldn't know this. In summary, designate a victim class, designate a perpetrator, victimize perpetrator in the name of equality, create more victims, repeat. Really, I am not sure this ad could get ANY MORE Marxist without the USSR anthem playing while transparent overlays of statues of Lenin are displayed on top of it.
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January 17, 2019, 07:23:40 AM
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Its not holding you accountable for other men's actions.  Its holding you accountable for your actions.  The ad literally stated something llke "some men is not enough".  It is a call to action for the "good men" to do their part in holding "bad men" accountable for their actions.  Make it socially unacceptable to possess any of those behaviors you don't take part in.  

For example, your boy tells a story that sounds a bit like date rape.  LOSE YOUR SHIT and call him out on it telling him it is not ok.  If you don't do that sort of thing, YOU ARE GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION.   Don't tolerate any of those things.  Not even in jokes.    If you are already doing all you can do then fine, the ad isn't about you and you should find it helpful to your cause.  

That's exactly my point.  The ad assumes that men don't behave as you suggest they should, but that has been far from my experience.  It suggests that showing any masculinity is akin to being a misogynist or a bully.  

Here is what the ad says.  It literally says they believe in men to do well which is the opposite of what many heard from the ad.  

"We believe in men
To say the right thing
To act the right way
Some already are
In ways big
and small
but some is not enough
because the boys watching today will be the men of tomorrow"

I don't see how anyone can get mad about that quote.  It reminds me of the time starbucks used red cups and people said christianity was under attack.

What if the tables were turned?  What if there was an ad suggesting that displaying genuine feminine attributes was akin to being a slut?  How would you react to such an ad?  In a fully garnished dish of irony the ad portrays white men as villains and black men as the chivalrous heroes, yet the reality of popular culture demonstrates far more misogyny exists in rap music produced by black men.  Why are they not held accountable for their messages?

I know living in reality is not your strong suit, so I don't expect you to answer these questions with any coherency.

The truth is the ad panders to a millennial sense of propriety that exist only in a fantasy world.  It attempts to pander to a group of pantywaists by ridiculing the only group it's fashionable to ridicule.   It's okay to villainies men, and more specifically white, heterosexual men, but any other gender, race, or sexual orientation is off limits to scrutiny.
It is not ok to blame victims.    You are talking about criticizing oppressed groups for behavior that is a result of their oppression.  In this line of thought it is only ok to blame the group in power, the group that created the oppressive systems in the first place.  

The ad had a black man saying "boys will be boys" so your claim is partially false.  The ad does not distinguish race or sexual orientation as the source of the problem.  

Although the ad is race neutral, its important to note that these trends of toxic masculinity took off well before women, blacks, or LGBTQ were even recognized as people.  These tends of toxic masculinity actively oppressed said groups.  Said groups take part in the culture now but that is exactly how it works. This is part of internalized oppression and more specifically hierarchal oppression.  

The stats you continuously regurgitate are actually evidence of the problem.  Toxic masculinity is prevalent in male culture and conditions young boys to adopt reckless behaviors.  

You brought the facts for me.  Those extra men in prison or homelessness are victims of toxic masculinity.  We tell boys they aren't allowed to cry or express their emotions from a young age. This along with natural aggression is a toxic combination that maybe doesn't drive males to kill, but omits creating an environment that would help prevent such.

Oh, I see. The fact that society treats men as disposable 2nd class citizens is all because of toxic masculinity! Oh it all makes so much sense now! It's all because no one taught them they could cry.. aw so simple.

Seriously though, I know crustaceans with more functional brain cells than you. The ad is 100% Marxism, straight out of critical theory. Of course you don't know a God damned thing about the origins of the ideologies you advocate for, so you wouldn't know this. In summary, designate a victim class, designate a perpetrator, victimize perpetrator in the name of equality, create more victims, repeat. Really, I am not sure this ad could get ANY MORE Marxist without the USSR anthem playing while transparent overlays of statues of Lenin are displayed on top of it.
Yes toxic masculinity usually starts off with men treating other men poorly and the other men pass on the oppression.   Its not a "designated victim class" when women actually are victims. Imagine the sequence

Boss slaps man
man goes home and slaps wife
wife goes on to slap kid
kid goes on to slap weaker kid. 

Everyone ends up believing
A. Violence is how you communicate expectations
B. Violence is how you express disappointment in the people you love

Although everyone plays a role, those in the upper hierarchal positions hold the burden of responsibility for how the culture is formed.  This is why checking privilege is so important.  The ad is calling on males to use their male privilege to fight against toxic masculinity, even if it is only a small percentage of males who are misbehaving. 

TIL marxism is all about selling more razors.

 
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You sure are talking a lot about "oppressed groups", "minorities", and "victim blaming" seeing as you say there is no Marxism involved. Oh right, I know more about the ideologies you advocate for than you do as a supporter. Nothing to worry about there right? Nothing bad ever came from well intentioned ignorance did it?
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