grin is now accepted for forum payments

[Ratio2112]

I've just noticed this thread and I have to say that I'm glad for this decision. I really like GRIN, it doesn't seem to have any weaknesses 

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[OgNasty]

I've just noticed this thread and I have to say that I'm glad for this decision. I really like GRIN, it doesn't seem to have any weaknesses 

I think the current lack of a windows wallet with GUI is a bit of a hinderance for many users that could be considered a weakness.

[Ratio2112]

I've just noticed this thread and I have to say that I'm glad for this decision. I really like GRIN, it doesn't seem to have any weaknesses 

I think the current lack of a windows wallet with GUI is a bit of a hinderance for many users that could be considered a weakness.

Yeah, but I was thinking about the idea behind the project: it is strong, not speculative and new. Technicalities will be overcome soon IMO.

[dogie]

but did you pay dogie back?

Dogie canceled his bogus claims.

ah. but didn't correct your red trust. weird huh

Cancelled the court claim.

This is false. In other news, Guy stole that forum account from the company and its creditors.

[Chris!]

I think the current lack of a windows wallet with GUI is a bit of a hinderance for many users that could be considered a weakness.

Maybe, the GUI wallet for Windows will be released at the first anniversary of Grin coin. Theymos did (or did not) likely predict Grin coin destination for its first anniversary. Who knows, if Grin coin can be able to survive till its one year anniversary, and expected Windows GUI wallet released on that day. I think these two things deserve our time to wait for them. They might not happen at the same time, on one year anniversary, and Windows GUI wallet might be released sooner.

Since the inflation rate is so high in the first ~year, I think it will probably go even lower, probably under $1, and I'd expect the price chart of the first year to be a general downward trend.

Aren't there at least 3 GUI wallets now? Idk about Windows. I don't follow it closely as it doesn't affect me.

[OgNasty]

I think the current lack of a windows wallet with GUI is a bit of a hinderance for many users that could be considered a weakness.

Maybe, the GUI wallet for Windows will be released at the first anniversary of Grin coin. Theymos did (or did not) likely predict Grin coin destination for its first anniversary. Who knows, if Grin coin can be able to survive till its one year anniversary, and expected Windows GUI wallet released on that day. I think these two things deserve our time to wait for them. They might not happen at the same time, on one year anniversary, and Windows GUI wallet might be released sooner.

Since the inflation rate is so high in the first ~year, I think it will probably go even lower, probably under $1, and I'd expect the price chart of the first year to be a general downward trend.

Aren't there at least 3 GUI wallets now? Idk about Windows. I don't follow it closely as it doesn't affect me.

Depending on who you're willing to trust, I imagine there are many out there...  If you're speaking about their core team (not sure what to call them) and windows, the next official release is expected to support Windows.

https://github.com/mimblewimble/grin/releases

[100bitcoin]

As MimbleWimbleCoin is on its way and it would probably be better than Grin & Beam, will it be accepted on BitcoinTalk as well?

[Chris!]

As MimbleWimbleCoin is on its way and it would probably be better than Grin & Beam, will it be accepted on BitcoinTalk as well?

Link? With a horrible name like that I can only assume it's a copy/paste of grin or beam. I also found nothing from googling.

With all if that being said, I doubt bitcointalk would start accepting 'mimblewimblecoin'.

[TryNinja]

Link? With a horrible name like that I can only assume it's a copy/paste of grin or beam. I also found nothing from googling.

With all if that being said, I doubt bitcointalk would start accepting 'mimblewimblecoin'.

1. Wait for a potential innovative or promising technology to launch (grin).
2. Fork it and create a shitcoin out of it to go with the hype.
3. Put 10% for the dev team (easy money) and another 30% for the airdrop (cheap advertising)[1].
4. ??
5. Profit (?)

It's always the same everytime a new "good" coin launches.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5119957.0

[gospetig]

I'm super excited about grin. All past altcoins have been just Bitcoin with a few bits tacked on; occasionally these extra bits are useful/interesting (eg. Monero or Ethereum), but in the vast majority of cases this extra stuff is just meaningless marketing-oriented garbage. But grin is packed full of useful innovation from top to bottom; moreover, it's clearly built in the same cypherpunk spirit that Bitcoin was: increased freedom/sovereignty through technology.

Therefore, I'm happy to announce that the forum is now accepting grin payments automatically, probably the first site other than exchanges to do so. You'll find a link at the bottom of the evil-fee and copper-membership pages.

grin is new and clunky to use. I don't expect many people to use it, honestly. But I needed to rewrite the forum payments system anyway in order to support LN in the future and to fix some longstanding issues with the old code, so adding grin support worked out nicely.

I don't recommend buying or not buying grin. Due to its emission schedule, I'd guess that its price will have a general downward trend for quite some time, but who knows. Currently I own zero grin (though I will be buying from the forum all grin obtained), I was not paid to add grin support, and in fact not a soul knew that I was going to do so. grin support might be removed later if it dies off or becomes too time-consuming for me to maintain.

I tested this with grin's floonet (testnet), but not mainnet yet since I don't have any grin. Hopefully it works.


A few observations I had while implementing this:

By default they want you to essentially pay to IP addresses. This was stupid when Satoshi tried it 10 years ago, and it's stupid now. At the very least you should strongly encourage (ie. nearly force) people to give out public keys along with their IPs, since otherwise MITM attacks are trivial. Even then it sucks to require the recipient to run an open-to-the-Internet server at all. And for goodness' sake, don't use the broken/centralized HTTPS system; the Bitcoin Core devs have been going to a lot of trouble trying to remove that garbage from Core.

A better protocol for the copy/paste method is needed. For one, you shouldn't have to use intermediary files. I was annoyed when I did grin wallet send -m file -d - and it actually created a file called "-" instead of writing to stdout like it should.

grin needs to be much better at handling transactions that never continue beyond the first or second step in the three-way transaction process. They probably shouldn't even show up in the main transaction log.

Currently I think that there's no way for the recipient to get the modified slate after running receive the first time (eg. if it gets lost), which is nuts. And currently there appears to be no reasonable method for proving that you sent a transaction.

Good to see Theymos recognized Grin immediatly. Grin has now windows UI wallets, niffler and grin++. Ironbelly have ios and android mobile wallet. Somebody donated 50 coinbase btc from 2010 to grin, which is quite mindblowing to me. Theymos you can now add grinbox permanent address, or maybe can also add via file that sends you back .response file? Price wise, it expectedly retraced towards 1-2$ the correction was big, as a every new pow blockchain. Maybe just an idea for a new forum smiley icon, you can use grin logo smiley? Do you have any updated thoughts Theymos?

[SpaceSuite]

Link? With a horrible name like that I can only assume it's a copy/paste of grin or beam. I also found nothing from googling.

With all if that being said, I doubt bitcointalk would start accepting 'mimblewimblecoin'.

1. Wait for a potential innovative or promising technology to launch (grin).
2. Fork it and create a shitcoin out of it to go with the hype.
3. Put 10% for the dev team (easy money) and another 30% for the airdrop (cheap advertising)[1].
4. ??
5. Profit (?)

It's always the same everytime a new "good" coin launches.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5119957.0

Unfortunately, it seems, MWC is already performing neck to neck with GRIN & BEAM.

https://www.hotbit.io/exchange?symbol=MWC_BTC

https://www.hotbit.io/exchange?symbol=GRIN_BTC

https://www.hotbit.io/exchange?symbol=BEAM_BTC

[TryNinja]

Unfortunately, it seems, MWC is already performing neck to neck with GRIN & BEAM.

Are you really comparing the price of a coin which has a volume of $30 millions (GRIN) with one that has a volume of $22k (MWC)? Is this a joke?

[Mbatu]

Love the tech behind Mimble Wimble, but really dont like unlimited emission. Looks like there are several Grin forks out there though.

[SpaceSuite]

Unfortunately, it seems, MWC is already performing neck to neck with GRIN & BEAM.

Are you really comparing the price of a coin which has a volume of $30 millions (GRIN) with one that has a volume of $22k (MWC)? Is this a joke?

Age of MWC mainnet is around a week, whereas GRIN mainnet is around a year old. Its natural that GRIN will have more volume than MWC.

Love the tech behind Mimble Wimble, but really dont like unlimited emission. Looks like there are several Grin forks out there though.

MimbleWimbleCoin (MWC) fixes this. Only 20 million MWC will ever exist.

[TryNinja]

Age of MWC mainnet is around a week, whereas GRIN mainnet is around a year old. Its natural that GRIN will have more volume than MWC.

Then, comparing their price is dumb.

It's natural that MWC may have a higher price knowing that an order buy of 1.1 BTC right now would double its price. There is no liquidity.

[SpaceSuite]

Age of MWC mainnet is around a week, whereas GRIN mainnet is around a year old. Its natural that GRIN will have more volume than MWC.

Then, comparing their price is dumb.

It's natural that MWC may have a higher price knowing that an order buy of 1.1 BTC right now would double its price. There is no liquidity.

What do you think about it now?

Unfortunately, it seems, MWC is already performing neck to neck with GRIN & BEAM.

https://www.hotbit.io/exchange?symbol=MWC_BTC

https://www.hotbit.io/exchange?symbol=GRIN_BTC

https://www.hotbit.io/exchange?symbol=BEAM_BTC

[TryNinja]

What do you think about it now?

I still don’t care, sorry. I remain only holding Bitcoin.

Btw, I can’t visit these links since this exchanges tries to force me to download their app.

[SpaceSuite]

I still don’t care, sorry. I remain only holding Bitcoin.

I never prompted you to offload Bitcoin to HODL MWC anyway.

Btw, I can’t visit these links since this exchanges tries to force me to download their app.

I can visit all the three pages without downloading any app from them. May be you are using mobile and hence facing the issue. Price of MWC, GRIN and BEAM can be checked at CoinRanking.com as well.

[coupable]

Does there any available stats about how many users used Grin to purchase the Copper membership? Anyway to know if users are still using this option?

In last replies, there was an unsolved issue about Grin network. Posters didn't update about it.

*Sorry about bumping this old thread. I think i can post my qustion here without the need to create a fresh meta topic.

[isaac_clarke22]

Does there any available stats about how many users used Grin to purchase the Copper membership? Anyway to know if users are still using this option?

So far, I cannot find more and latest stats for users that used this method to buy CM except from this that theymos wrote 2 years ago.

Since grin started being accepted, 5 out of 687 payments (0.7%) were via grin.

theymos accepting Grin is symbolic more than anything.

Right, I basically did it just for fun. I didn't expect all that many payments.

I had never used grin myself for any purpose.