Massive abuse in the Russian section.

[suchmoon]

In a while, when everyone sets his own DT0 and excludes DefaultTrust entry from it, that DT1 constructed by algo will be obsolete, I believe.

You're shooting yourselves in the foot with this. The Russian board now has more DT2 members than it used to but instead of using them you'll throw a fit and agitate for DefaultTrust removal even though it's obvious that most users in that trust discussion thread had little or no clue as to how it's supposed to work, let alone most of Russian users in general. All because you "elected" an unqualified person and feel slighted by the "English".

I mean there is nothing wrong with a custom list, just that you seem to be doing for the wrong reasons and with users like peloso participating in this process it will probably end not well.

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[marlboroza]

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Every day I learn something new.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096402.0;all


#1 DabLjat explains 1) how to modify trust list. 2) They posted their trust list and suggest others to do the same and also as I understand, they suggested everyone to create custom trust list

#2 TheFuzzStone said thanks to DabLjat for including them in trust list, but they also asked DabLjat why they did it, they didn't cooperate(probably mean trade or something)

#3 Dabljat respect TFS

#4 TFS asked Dabljat what will change for russian community if someone there get DT1 status

#5 don't understand. Dabljat said there is not a single Russian member in DT1.

#6 TFS doesn't know how DT works. Other parts are lost in translation.

#7 discussing exactly this Theymos's post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg49163910#msg49163910 and literally listed people the same way as theymos did.

#8 xsenon "how to see someones trust list"

#9 @Dabljat something about "local should be united" but can be wrong translation.

#10 xenon something about exclude people you don't trust with ~ and include people who you trust.

#11 xenon tomorrow is voting for DT

#12 TFS to xenon, you can remove DefaultTrust and manually add people to trust list. "If I understand correctly, if you remove DefaultTrust from your trust list, you won't see ratings from DT1 and DT2 members"

#13 Dabljat Yes, you understand correctly.

#14 TFS "can it be considered as manipulation of trust system?  "

#15 xenon, if I translated this correctly said, something about "few forum members took advantage because everyone is "running" on default trust".  Suggested to remove DefaultTrust, and if I understand correctly to exclude some users who they don't trust...or who manipulate  because if they don't exclude users they will have 0 instead of -1. Can be wrong translation.

16,17,18 irrelevant for this thread in my opinoin

#20 biom33 some random questions about DT

#22 TFS said his english is very bad and some users attacked him in meta because of his thread.

#23 DabLjat said Lauda doesn't want them(probably meant Russian) in DT.

#24 xenon thinks that there is group who controls DT and that that they think Russians are inferior. Also said that he wouldn't waste time discussing with that group.

#25 TFS said that it seems like they think Russians are inferior.

#26 TFS breaks forum rules. Also linked theymos's post from "new DT" thread and asked "how to understand this"

#27 taikuri13 explains theymos's post.

#28, 29 discussing theymos's post.

#30 Dabljat said that local "candidates" for DT are xandry chimk esmanthra but non of them has trust list.

#31 taikuri13 believes TheFussZone should be added to this list. Also mentioned that trust is "personal choice" and no one should ask someone to include/exclude people you trust from trust network.

#33 Alex_Sr supports TheFussZone and added them to their trust list.

#34 MaoChao, I belive he said trust system =/= trade system.

#35 - 45 discussing trust system, nothing wrong here

#36 TFS, well, you can click links posted in thread.

#37 peloso: "Lauda is junky and bitch, cmon, lets all add this to trust list ~Lauda"  
Posted his list and excluded many members of current DT form his trust network.

#38 TFS said "it is not good to be angry, I will still publish news about Monero. I suggest everyone to set his trust list based on their "conscience". This could be wrongly translated, it can also mean "put people you trust on your trust list and distrust people you don't trust"

#39-50 discussing about system

#51 TFS about his trust list, he trust people he put in his list. I won't translate other parts because it can have hidden meaning but also it doesn't mean it does.

#52 taikuri, if I understand correctly, said, it is good to have DT in Russian because they won't need to post in english section reports about bounty abusers, cheaters, scammers, account farmers, they will be able to do it in Russian board and tag accordingly.

#53 Rooivalk posted his trust list.

#54 peloso want's Russian united and suggested everyone to exclude these members:

~Vod
~SaltySpitoon
~TMAN
~Lauda
~Blazed
~aTriz
~suchmoon
~owlcatz
~yahoo62278
~actmyname
~Lutpin

http://archive.is/yNmaO#selection-18349.0-18369.7 unedited post.

#55 xandry said "put reference link to your trust ratting" nothing wrong here. Didn't comment above post.

#56 chimk ordinary post.

#57 Alex_sr points farming ring they exposed and something about trust system. Normal post.

#58 xanon - links thread where it is explained how to see someone's trust list.

#58 Alex_sr said it is easier to see someone trust list if you add person to your trust network and click on trust.

#59 random shitpost

#60 - #73 discussing trust system

#74 MaoChao created his trust list.

#75 - 90 discussing trust system, merit abuse, farming accounts, trading accounts etc.

#91 peloso trolling

#92 xenon131 discussing trust system. Quoted theymos as well.

That's it from me, I don't see anything wrong in this discussion except peloso person is trying to manipulate with people and some shitting on Lauda. So far it seems like regular discussion.
@ LoyceV can you scrap trust lists of all accounts mentioned in topic?

Edit #2) that is 92/157 posts. I didn't translate most of other posts.

[peloso]

#54 peloso want's Russian united and suggested everyone to exclude these members:

~ Vod
~ SaltySpitoon
~ TMAN
~ Lauda
~ Blazed
~ Triz
~ takav mrak
~ owlcatz
~ yahoo62278
~ actmyname
~ Lutpin



That's it from me, I don't see anything wrong in this discussion except peloso person is trying to manipulate with people and some shitting on Lauda. So far it seems like regular discussion.
@ LoyceV can you scrap trust lists of all accounts mentioned in topic?

you say peloso trying manipulate but you lie
i see here your manipulation like this  (~ takav mrak ) and this (~ Triz ) there is no such names
next time please dont lie
also i not shitting Lauda a just said she is scammer and it fact and true even if you not like it

[o_e_l_e_o]

you say peloso trying manipulate but you lie
i see here your manipulation like this  (~ takav mrak ) and this (~ Triz ) there is no such names
next time please dont lie

That was obviously just an issue with translation. Takav mrak = suchmoon and Triz = aTriz. It's hardly a lie.

Also, you are clearly trying to manipulate the trust system:

eщe paз пpизывaю дaвaйтe oбъeдинятьcя тeм бoлee тeймoc дaл нaм этo пpaвo вce ктo жeлaют дoбaвитьcя в мoй cпиcoк мoгyт нaпиcaть мнe в личкy, paзyмeeтcя любoвь дoлжнa быть взaимнoй

Here you are saying that anyone who wants can message you, and you will add them to your trust list if they also agree to add you to theirs. If that isn't blatant manipulation, then I don't know what is.

[marlboroza]

you say peloso trying manipulate but you lie
i see here your manipulation like this  (~ takav mrak ) and this (~ Triz ) there is no such names
next time please dont lie

I translated thread from Russian to Croatian and then to English. Above should be quotation, but accidentally, I quoted translated post, I mean I forget to put it under quotation. Will edit post.

You are trying to manipulate, that is obvious.

[suchmoon]

Not to mention that if you remove DefaultTrust then excluding individual DT1 members is meaningless unless you're in DT1 yourself. This seems to be peloso's attempt to convince other users to distrust actmyname and others who neg-trusted him, not a genuine attempt at building custom lists.

[peloso]

you say peloso trying manipulate but you lie
i see here your manipulation like this  (~ takav mrak ) and this (~ Triz ) there is no such names
next time please dont lie

I translated thread from Russian to Croatian and then to English. Above should be quotation, but accidentally, I quoted translated post, I mean I forget to put it under quotation. Will edit post.

You are trying to manipulate, that is obvious.

so you wrong translated from english to english  and making mistake
call me manipulator? that verry funny
anyway.. it so interesting for me to know   how im manipulate ? you mean my signature ? or my trust list that i published?

This seems to be peloso's attempt to convince other users to distrust actmyname and others who neg-trusted him, not a genuine attempt at building custom lists.

i hope you know what to do when you seems 
not other users just proven scammers ( lauda) and assholes ( tman e.t.c)

[khaled0111]

@ LoyceV can you scrap trust lists of all accounts mentioned in topic?

I have nothing to do right now, so..
I hope I'm not invading anyone's privacy since all data is public.

#1 Alex_Sr = DefaultTrust
#2 DabLjat

Code:

satoshi (1)
theymos (1)
Cyrus (1)
TMAN (-1)
Lauda (-1)
yogg (-1)
hilariousandco (1)
suchmoon (-1)
owlcatz (-1)
yahoo62278 (-1)
xandry (1)
Vadi2323 (1)
klarki (1)
MaoChao (1)
actmyname (-1)
WhiteManWhite (1)
kzv (1)
TheFuzzStone (1)
dariloff (1)
poptop (1)
be.open (1)
xenon131 (1)
Goran_ (1)
mak013 (1)
Xal0lex (1)
Smart man (1)
explorder (1)
Veleor (1)
3meek (1)
chimk (1)
temarazin (1)
Alex_Sr (1)
esmanthra (1)
taikuri13 (1)
madnessteat (1)
Nikisa (1)

#3 TheFuzzStone

Code:

theymos (1)
gmaxwell (1)
OgNasty (1)
fruit (-1)
Cyrus (1)
Melnik (1)
TMAN (-1)
Lauda (-1)
pan.asket (1)
dEBRUYNE (1)
suchmoon (-1)
owlcatz (1)
xandry (1)
alevlaslo (-1)
klarki (1)
MaoChao (1)
actmyname (-1)
WhiteManWhite (1)
The Pharmacist (-1)
dariloff (1)
poptop (1)
be.open (1)
xenon131 (1)
Goran_ (1)
explorder (1)
chimk (1)
Alex_Sr (1)
esmanthra (1)
taikuri13 (1)
QWeB (1)
pa1nxgod (1)
DabLjat (1)

#4 biom33

Code:

theymos (1)
xandry (1)
Vadi2323 (1)
klarki (1)
TheFuzzStone (1)
Xal0lex (1)
esmanthra (1)
taikuri13 (1)

#5 taikuri13

Code:

satoshi (1)
theymos (1)
OgNasty (1)
xandry (1)
klarki (1)
MaoChao (1)
k0er (1)
DarkStar_ (1)
kzv (1)
TheFuzzStone (1)
xtraelv (1)
xenon131 (1)
Goran_ (1)
Coin-1 (1)
chimk (1)
temarazin (1)
wh1rlw1nd (1)
esmanthra (1)

#6 MaoChao
 

Code:

satoshi (1)
theymos (1)
HostFat (1)
casascius (1)
dooglus (1)
Raize (1)
Meni Rosenfeld (1)
Maged (1)
Raoul Duke (1)
gmaxwell (1)
OgNasty (1)
CanaryInTheMine (-1)
zvs (1)
-ck (1)
malevolent (1)
Matthew N. Wright (-1)
smoothie (1)
John (John K.) (1)
Tomatocage (1)
SaltySpitoon (1)
ineededausername (1)
DeaDTerra (1)
BadBear (1)
El Cabron (-1)
Blazr (1)
vgo (1)
BCB (1)
Dabs (1)
Xian01 (-1)
lophie (-1)
johnny5 (-1)
Benson Samuel (1)
TradeFortress 🏕 (-1)
shiftybugger (1)
uhnonamiss (-1)
Cyrus (1)
nubbins (-1)
peloso (1)
FullLife (-1)
ibminer (1)
Wardrick (1)
Boelens (-1)
Rub3n (-1)
Melnik (1)
TMAN (-1)
TomUnderSea (-1)
dwdoc (1)
blackarrow (-1)
Adriano (1)
Mitchell (1)
Taras (1)
MarkAz (-1)
Blazed (1)
nachius (-1)
EFS (1)
marcotheminer (-1)
dbshck (1)
TheNewAnon135246 (-1)
greenplastic (1)
hilariousandco (1)
MadZ (1)
shorena (1)
artw1982 (-1)
mitzie (1)
franckuestein (1)
Jaaawsh (-1)
LYCAN (-1)
diks (1)
minerjones (1)
sapta (1)
BitcoinPenny (1)
Spodermen (-1)
OmegaStarScream (1)
xandry (1)
klarki (1)
actmyname (-1)
rickbig41 (1)
TheFuzzStone (1)
Barcode_ (1)
Anon11073 (1)
xenon131 (1)
Halab (1)
Xal0lex (1)
chimk (1)
Alex_Sr (1)
esmanthra (1)

#7 peloso

Code:

HostFat (1)
OgNasty (1)
Vod (-1)
Tomatocage (1)
SaltySpitoon (-1)
TMAN (-1)
Lauda (-1)
Mad_Max (1)
UserCoin (1)
DefaultTrust (-1)
Blazed (-1)
aTriz (-1)
suchmoon (-1)
ancientcoins (1)
owlcatz (-1)
yahoo62278 (-1)
MaoChao (1)
actmyname (-1)
Lutpin (-1)
TheFuzzStone (1)
GAMORA (1)
|Admiral| (1)
aliborn (1)
xenon131 (1)
Spotika4 (1)
Wananavu99 (1)
3meek (1)
chimk (1)
temarazin (1)
Alex_Sr (1)
esmanthra (1)
taikuri13 (1)
UPPEX (1)
DabLjat (1)

#8 Rooivalk

Code:

goran (1)
TMAN (-1)
Lauda (-1)
Provok (1)
Blazed (-1)
aTriz (-1)
Slasher (1)
suchmoon (-1)
owlcatz (-1)
yahoo62278 (-1)
xandry (-1)
actmyname (-1)
WhiteManWhite (1)
Lutpin (-1)
TheFuzzStone (1)
zoldberg (1)
poptop (1)
be.open (1)
Xal0lex (-1)
fzkto (1)
Gary Levanevskii (1)
3meek (1)
chimk (1)
leonello (1)
MoxnatyShmel (1)
wh1rlw1nd (1)

#9 xandry

Code:

TMAN (-1)
Pivo (-1)
stahanovec (-1)
DefaultTrust (1)
suchmoon (1)
Belogvardeec (-1)
cryptodouble (-1)
SimGa (-1)
CryptoSplit (-1)
TraderFX (-1)
ReDmiR (-1)
fxpc (-1)
sellrai (-1)
griffoninvest (-1)
Hhampuz (1)
chimk (1)
MoxnatyShmel (-1)
PnP (-1)
Almibacoin (-1)
esmanthra (1)
steklomoy (-1)
Rooivalk (-1)

#10 xenon131

Code:

theymos (1)
HostFat (1)
TECSHARE (1)
OgNasty (1)
peloso (1)
cryptohunter (1)
TMAN (-1)
Lauda (-1)
shorena (1)
Quickseller (1)
TheFuzzStone (1)
Veleor (1)

Sorry, I did it manually.
Their trust lists don't look identical except for few of them.

Edit:

That's not but, but it would much easier to understand if you used the hierarchical view at the bottom of your trust settings page. There you can get exact trustlists. Add ;dt for the dt version. Thanks

Copy pasting from the hierarchical view, trusted and untrusted members will look the same.

[owlcatz]

That's not but, but it would much easier to understand if you used the hierarchical view at the bottom of your trust settings page. There you can get exact trustlists. Add ;dt for the dt version. Thanks

[peloso]

@ LoyceV can you scrap trust lists of all accounts mentioned in topic?

I have nothing to do right now, so..
I hope I'm not invading anyone's privacy since all data is public.


#7 peloso

Code:

HostFat (1)
OgNasty (1)
Vod (-1)
Tomatocage (1)
SaltySpitoon (-1)
TMAN (-1)
Lauda (-1)
Mad_Max (1)
UserCoin (1)
DefaultTrust (-1)
Blazed (-1)
aTriz (-1)
suchmoon (-1)
ancientcoins (1)
owlcatz (-1)
yahoo62278 (-1)
MaoChao (1)
actmyname (-1)
Lutpin (-1)
TheFuzzStone (1)
GAMORA (1)
|Admiral| (1)
aliborn (1)
xenon131 (1)
Spotika4 (1)
Wananavu99 (1)
3meek (1)
chimk (1)
temarazin (1)
Alex_Sr (1)
esmanthra (1)
taikuri13 (1)
UPPEX (1)
DabLjat (1)

this is wrong and old
my list is updated

[TMAN]

Retaliatory negs from Pelso and fuzz are backing up the fact that neither deserve to be anywhere near DT,

[Lauda]

What is this?



These immature individuals should stay far away from DT IMO. Emotional responses are not welcome.
Can someone quickly parse who from that local section is in DT2?

[TalkStar]

Because i always remember that trust is not moderated and i should not to interfere with formation of someone's trust list.
User "~defaulttrust" can't attack the trust network and he got response about it. So i don't think it's a problem.

The big problem that you doesn't translate all posts in that thread so you imagine conspiracy theory. I see that you even don't understanding what about this thread.

Yeah absolutely right.When someone do something wrong in different language section its hard to catch. Although i think our DT members are enough careful to trace this kind of activities.

[chimk]

Sometimes to keep in perfect shape the procedure of free elections, more important than the result. Everyone knows that freedom and responsibility are two sides of the coin. Therefore, if as a result of free elections, people get an ineffective leader, they reserve the right to impeachment \ blacklist and internal investigation. There is a structure in politics that provides freedom and protects against the fatal mistakes of bad leaders. That is how it should be.

There are many experienced people in the English-speaking section who are able to observe the activities of people from the DT list and inform the community about their mistakes in time. For example, if the reference reference does not contain investigation and evidence, but only a personal offense, this is incompetence. Having several active accounts can be a bad sign, what are the goals of this person and how to prove it?
 
In local sections, more difficult. Some local sections live in a vacuum, they are like “Gotham sity”, I wrote about this in the summer. Whole groups of scammers can influence the formation of these local partitions. Russian section, you need to know it well, without knowledge of the language it is difficult. But for now, you can help the Russian guys choose honest people. How to do this, I do not know, it is easy to confuse honest and dishonest. May need a centralized destination, Or something average. You can experiment with elections, but remember, there is no internal security service there and the error will not be detected soon, clans may appear. Good job, not an easy, real maturity test.

It is rightly observed that the candidate must be fully prepared for this position. A candidate in the list of DT will need a Kevlar suit and mask, help in gaining knowledge and experience. If experienced DT members agree to help in correspondence, this will be a responsible attitude to the development of the forum community.

[Crypt0Pro]

I guess there was some misunderstanding. People here just share there opinions and knowledge. Anyway, if there is such a problem, hope soon people will become more friendly and attentive to others

[TMAN]

~snip~

Thanks man, although as I stated before up until the exclusion there was nothing wrong with the thread - you missed out a few of the pertinent posts though.

klarki - one voice of 250 is not enough either. Well, with voices of 10 each will not be superfluous either.

So let's think of something with this.

I interperate the above as discussing how to use a "vote" to get members onto DT-1

Until the majority of forum users delete DefaultTrust from their DT0 and make their own, it will be problematic to change the DT1 list. Users with a rank below Member, having configured their DT0, are not able to somehow influence the list of DT1.

Above needs no explanation

I have no time to go through the whole thread again, but I see the above as blatant manipulation - keen to hear others views.

[LoyceV]

@ LoyceV can you scrap trust lists of all accounts mentioned in topic?

Theymos' trust data dump happens on Saturday, so it'll have to wait a bit.

[TMAN]

Don't worry, it's not  final. you'll like it. 

hey if they don't need help, let them be. They probably figure if they could get to the POTUS then can get to a forums DT list

[TheFuzzStone]

That's it from me, I don't see anything wrong in this discussion

Nice work, but.... If you didn't see the conspiracy there, then you either conspired with us or misunderstood the translation. /s

Croatian

If you're a native speaker, please, can you translate these links and posts or at least public them in Croatian board and explain why is important to create an own DT0?

• DefaultTrust changes

• A short introduction to the Trust System

• [Explained] Importance of Custom Trust List

• Customized Trust Network – Interactive tool to see who we trust/distrust

• [Infographic] Leaving Feedback vs Custom Trust List

[Polkeins]

This is strange but today I felt(just for a little) How was that to be a famous)
I came to this forum a year ago and I think until yesterday 99,99999....9% people from this forum know that I even exist, but everything changed when  TMAN mentioned me on this thread with (~) . I wrote more than 450 posts but I was observed only for 4 messages in one thread. These messages were from 75-90 messages that marlboroza described as "#75 - 90 discussing trust system, merit abuse, farming accounts, trading accounts etc". That close to the point. I didn't called to put (~) to everyone, I don't have any personal problems with anyone from this thread. I just thought about 4 things on these 4 messages when I wrote them 2 days ago :

1) What is that new trust system about? What is that mean for everyone? what changes it carries. I did my trust list without any ~ sign cause I didn't have motive to do that. I didn't make any deals, any personal issue or something. I didn't have any motive to use ~ for anyone and I didn't. I didn't know about Lauda of TMAN before this thread or why I got on their list with ~.
In general I'm searching on Russian local cause this is easy for me, this is my native language. Technical thread on English terra incognita for me. Most of us do the same, not many people know Ehglish well. Most of people here forget that we read about new rules not from theymos, but from translator and for most of us this is not easy to understand about, cause not everyone knows English perfectly and and of course everyone in the translation have their own interpretations. If we didn't make this thread in Russian local most of the people from our local even didn't know that something changed.

2) Curious that there was so many negative feedback for TheFuzzstone , cause most of people before this new trust system didn't know that he even exist.  What he did wrong for these people? Curios also about taikuri13 cause he was deleted after TheFuzzstone as his enemy of people(вpaг нapoдa) . This is very popular term here in times of political repression in the 30s of the 20th century.

3) I mentioned that usually people (from the world) think that we (Russian-Soviet) think and act equally and that we don't have  our own opinion. Usually people think this is cause we have 70 years of communism, but I mentioned that people from English local act much more cohesive, almost unconditionally follow behind the leader and that we still have to learn this. We are just noobs on this, cause we are just students, though not the worst, but rather follow the English threads than organize  trends themselves, most of the good topics, it's just translations from English thread. Although we learned well and we(Russian local) made some good things too.

4) I mentioned that "Lauda's people" well learned how effective are the Sulla's proscriptions was. If someone interesting you can read about that more when you'll have time.
For a very small part of myself I felt  what was carried by the proscriptions of Sulla. When you can see your name on this proscription list just cause you were mentioned as a person that have "bad political stance" or too good a Villa on Capri.
Unfortunately, despite globalization and freedom of opinion,  sometimes we are still dominated by mentality, language barrier, mental patterns. Anyway there are some good sides of this situation and one of this that now more people try to understand about this new trust-system and start think about that more. More people will begin to understand more deeply in the forum, as most of they did when merit system came first time. So if someone read this message Don't listen to anyone. This should be your opinion and remember that you only you are responsible for the consequences of your decision.

and I think I should read book about Sulla again, one more time. With each new reading, it seems to me that Caesar's opponents, when they call him "the murderer of the Republic", simply do not study enough the history and prerequisites for the emergence of certain events.
English is not my native language so hope you'll excuse me for my grammar mistakes.