Reference topic: Why are these members excluded on trust lists?

[Timelord2067]

Peloso has contacted me twice in the past couple of weeks regarding removal of my exclusion, and I honestly don't even remember why I have him excluded.  

Week 47 Peloso adds 150 UID's to his "I trust" list taking their tally to 176.


Week 48 of LoyceV's trust list Peloso added 110 UID's to his "I trust" list taking the tally to 287 (including three who are banned taking that tally to four banned he trusts)

At the same time all three distrusts are removed:

peloso Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. Removed ~Timelord2067 (Trust: +8 / =5 / -1) (DT1 (-10) 305 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed ~whywefight (Trust: +6 / =4 / -0) (38 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed ~Slow death (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (255 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Week 49 Peloso then removes 22 UID's (including all four banned) taking their trust list back down to 265

At the same time Peloso is hustling The Pharmacist to remove their distrust, Peloso has possably been pressing the flesh elsewhere:

9. Removed owlcatz (Trust: +45 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (24) 242 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. actmyname (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 862 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Removed Slow death (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (255 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Lafu (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 754 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

But has gained one in the process:

15. NEW fzkto (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (170 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

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[JollyGood]

Reference post: Why have I excluded members on my trust list?
Since I can't give an explanation or Reference link with my trust list, I'll keep track here.

Currently excluded


~snip~


~wolwoo
1. In one week, this DT1-member added 24 users to his Trust list. Most of those users never left any feedback and don't have a custom Trust list. Therefore, they don't belong on DT2, and the user who adds them doesn't belong on DT1.
2. 4 months ago, this user left positive feedback to 16 users, all without reference link. The only thing they seem to have in common is their nationality, just like the users on his Trust list. That shouldn't be a reason to give them positive feedback and/or DT2-powers.
3. This user leaves retaliation feedback.

Happy New Year to everybody reading this post.

This is an excellent thread, I only came across it just now. I decided to highlight this one particular user from the OP because I made reference to him without mentioning his name yesterday in my rank thread in the section headed "MERIT ABUSERS & FAKE TRUST":

JollyGood: an amazing journey becoming Hero member rank on 1st January 2020

Merit abuse and fake trust are a new tool used by some users to cheat their way to DT status. An associate of the user you mentioned in the OP (wolwoo) who it seems was DT1 and it seems part of their merit abuse racket even sent a PM to another user threatening him with negative Trust if various feedback was not removed. This type of conduct is unacceptable in any walk of life and should never be tolerated in this forum.

No spam
All my threads are now self-moderated to stop signature spam. I will remove all irrelevant posts. If you quote the entire OP, your entry will be deleted.
Once in a while I'll summarize posts and clean up this thread.

Now this is a very good idea Loyce. Maybe going self-moderated in some circumstances is essential.

I started a couple of threads recently and they seem to get flooded by one particular signature campaign which makes payment to participants for every post and I prefer they were excluded from my threads so I will probably have to go down the self-moderated route in future too.

EDIT: I added the name wolwoo to my thread OP JollyGood: an amazing journey becoming Hero member rank on 1st January 2020

[Timelord2067]

I have added Foxpup u=55384 to my distrust list after finding out that he distrusts me on the basis I trust "actmyname" - one of the investigator's in the Known Alts thread - essentially retaliatory distrust of me by him.

24 hours after Foxpup claimed "nothing personal" in DT distrusting me he has now created a FUD thread causing me to gain distrusts - which just goes to show there is cause and effect in all his actions.

*edit* and in related news, I have also added this user (Steamtyme) to my trust list for this gem of wisdom.

[LoyceV]

Update:

Currently excluded
~peloso
A red trusted Merit abuser who's trying a hostile takeover of DT to clear his red trust.
Update December 4, 2019: peloso asked me to reconsider, and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He still has 6 more exclusions to clear before reaching DT.
Update May 6, 2020: peloso abused his DT1 powers to shower one (or more) users with negative feedback, while increasing his own Trust score (Trust selfscratching).

[Timelord2067]

Update:

Currently excluded
~peloso
A red trusted Merit abuser who's trying a hostile takeover of DT to clear his red trust.
Update December 4, 2019: peloso asked me to reconsider, and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He still has 6 more exclusions to clear before reaching DT.
Update May 6, 2020: peloso abused his DT1 powers to shower one (or more) users with negative feedback, while increasing his own Trust score (Trust selfscratching).

Top of this page - Seriously, why throw your arms in the air now when the evidence was before you six months ago?

[JollyGood]

Here is what I just posted in the other thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg54372358#msg54372358

At some stage something needs to be done to tackle this issue but will it be down to theymos or down to DT1 users getting together to remove those that are abusing the system?

[LoyceV]

Wolwoo's fake negative feedback made me look into the DT2-member that left him positive feedback. I've excluded him:
~vycl87

He has included several users who shouldn't be on DT (see Trust list for: vycl87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-05-09_Sat_05.05h)), and left positive feedback for what looks like nationalism on their local board. I don't think this positive feedback to Trust abusers (not all of the receivers) should be on DT.

[JollyGood]

Be careful LoyceV because you stand the risk of being attacked en mass by the mob from the local community board and those that are hanging on to their every post because they are suffering from an attention seeking disorder.

Many are part of the gang but here are some that have scammed their way on to DT at the moment:

   peloso
    Vispilio
    wolwoo
    Blacknavy
    gospodin


They just might play the race card against you and might create thread after thread spreading propaganda against you - beware of the backlash.

Wolwoo's fake negative feedback made me look into the DT2-member that left him positive feedback. I've excluded him:
~vycl87

He has included several users who shouldn't be on DT (see Trust list for: vycl87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-05-09_Sat_05.05h)), and left positive feedback for what looks like nationalism on their local board. I don't think this positive feedback to Trust abusers (not all of the receivers) should be on DT.

[LoyceV]

I thought LoyceV was a good and objective user, but by ignoring the facts, he proved to be one of the sig-gang. Disappointment..

Is this a Turkish thing or something? I've seen it from many different Turkish forum members: they trust my judgement, until I post the smallest thing that doesn't fit their narrative. When that happens, they switch from "included" to "excluded".
Another thing I've noticed is the complete lack of arguments. That's what civilized people do when something comes up: they discuss it. The most vocal part of the Turkish local board instantly starts calling names and pulls the race card, which can only mean they have no arguments. It's also funny that the Turkish themselves made this about their "race" (really, a race based on nationality?), and it's something I haven't seen from any other local board. The rest of the developed world left tribal nationalism a long time ago.

Now, please stay ontopic. You're free to discuss why you're excluded those 134 members.

For deleted posts, see View all unedited (or deleted) posts in Reference topic: Why are these members excluded on trust lists?

[Lauda]

I propose adding this user: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2756407. He is giving fake vouches (trust farming) to wolwoo and Kalemder. Therefore he is actively supporting and involved in all of this.

[suchmoon]

Is this a Turkish thing or something? I've seen it from many different Turkish forum members: they trust my judgement, until I post the smallest thing that doesn't fit their narrative. When that happens, they switch from "included" to "excluded".

LOL. This has been going on outside of Switzerland for months, I'm surprised it took so long to get to you. I have excluded probably a couple dozen Turkish users who keep getting into DT1/DT2 despite being utterly unfit for it. BTW Blacknavy is one of the more moderate ones... many of them are like wolwoo and Vispilio - lying shit-stirring demagogues.

[examplens]

Be careful LoyceV because you stand the risk of being attacked en mass by the mob from the local community board and those that are hanging on to their every post because they are suffering from an attention seeking disorder.

Many are part of the gang but here are some that have scammed their way on to DT at the moment:

   peloso
    Vispilio
    wolwoo
    Blacknavy
    gospodin


They just might play the race card against you and might create thread after thread spreading propaganda against you - beware of the backlash.

Wolwoo's fake negative feedback made me look into the DT2-member that left him positive feedback. I've excluded him:
~vycl87

He has included several users who shouldn't be on DT (see Trust list for: vycl87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-05-09_Sat_05.05h)), and left positive feedback for what looks like nationalism on their local board. I don't think this positive feedback to Trust abusers (not all of the receivers) should be on DT.

Well done @JollyGood
you foresaw perfectly well what would happen, I can't believe what all this is turning into. only intrigue and gossip.
Check this: [Right to Respond] Disgusting Bigot LoyceV
self-moderated topic from DragonDance (he is not on your list )

[LoyceV]

Well done @JollyGood
you foresaw perfectly well what would happen

Yep. Some people don't seem to appreciate this topic is made for transparency. I'm willing to explain to anyone why they're excluded, and I'm very curious why some users have excluded me. I've invited them to post it here, but it should be more than "you're racist", lol.

[gospodin]

...PLEASE ADD ME DİSTRUST. 

@theymos @dooglus @gmaxwell @OgNasty @mprep @cyrus @Welsh @ibminer @by rallier @Lydian @LoyceV @DarkStar_ @bobita @Vispilio @wolwoo @TECSHARE @Foxpup @suchmoon and all dt1 members. Please add me. Thank you.

,,

iwrote before(12/2019)
"gospodin bla bla bla" i'm really bored, enough!

[Timelord2067]

Not sure which thread to post this to. Originally I thought of the DT1 and DT2 members who have negative feedback (or are banned) - thread, but given it's on topic for the last few days of discussion, I thought I'd added it here.

This makes no sense at all:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131361;dt

The reference used to counter the negative is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg52890824#msg52890824 which is the following investigation:

[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg52890824#msg52890824 date=1572151550]
3 Accounts Connected:

Zz, mhanbostanci, altcoin_trader,

[color=#0a80b1]Proof:[/color]

Wallet [77c8711960] contains just four wallet addresses:

Code:

1mhandh8J4uJx18sHhgeBJWZLKxMnuqGv	0.00022383 	259	549263
19Aw9JN3ypHDrd9AA1LyYJjaTWHHGDhhDP	0.         	83	467408
1GU2gN5s8ZWNjLto7JoMycMNGwpyPtzARr	0.         	33	397713
1JZYPRKap4hTQm9dQQMWhWeivkSo5Y1iUT	0.         	17	420332

[/quote]

Six months and fifteen days later, I read this on the Known Alts thread: (it's the reference given by the negative trust feedback giver) AFAIK it is the first time the accused has responded to the proof I posted in October last.

[quote author=mhanbostanci link=topic=2544574.msg54405620#msg54405620 date=1589160417]
[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg52890824#msg52890824 date=1572151550]
3 Accounts Connected:
...
unfounded claims
...
[/quote]

zz and altcoin_trader are different people I know personally.  This is known in the Turkish forum and it is no secret.
You can query this situation from Turkish users you know.
The negative feedback you provided is unfounded and misleading.
[/quote]

I would like to think that clearly my work is sound if a person can contradict themselves by saying triple check my work and a month later counter someone else by referencing my work as proof of the counter.

??

I feel that the negative feedback given to me and the corresponding "counter" are a part of an (un)civil war being waged by factions within a certain local community.  Their actions are untrustworthy as they are using my reputation as their field of conflict when attacking each-other.


[quote author=LoyceV link=topic=5098623.msg54417735#msg54417735 date=1589303496]
[quote author=examplens link=topic=5098623.msg54417644#msg54417644 date=1589302711]
Well done @JollyGood
you foresaw perfectly well what would happen[/quote]
Yep. Some people don't seem to appreciate this topic is made for transparency. I'm willing to explain to anyone why they're excluded, and I'm very curious why some users have excluded me. I've invited them to post it here, but it should be more than "you're racist", lol.
[/quote]

Well... not quite the first person... (note the merit giver)

[JollyGood]

Sadly the same group of highly questionable members always use that racist allegation as a tool to deflect. It was only a matter of time before they started going after other users. As soon as a comment is made that shows them in a bad light they attack and leave negative trust en mass.

DragonDance quite clearly is part of the merit abuse and fake trust circle group headed by a minority of members from the Turkish language board. I have left appropriate feedback for him - thank you examplens 

And look even low-life members such as hacker1001101001 managed to post propaganda as he is in total cahoots with the army of trolls:

I beg to differ. The only lesson here is that nationalism doesn't work in a place like this.

BTW LoyceV didn't attack a country or a nation or a race, he commented on the actions of some Turkish users here. In return he was subjected to childish personal attacks. This doesn't help whatever point you're trying to make, it just exposes your inability to handle certain topics.

There is already a race attack going on clearly on Turkish members of the forum and from LoyceV's comments it is pretty clear they are trying to boost the same propaganda. There is more behind the story afterall.

Well done @JollyGood
you foresaw perfectly well what would happen, I can't believe what all this is turning into. only intrigue and gossip.
Check this: [Right to Respond] Disgusting Bigot LoyceV
self-moderated topic from DragonDance (he is not on your list )

[peloso]

Another thing I've noticed is the complete lack of arguments.

arguments ?
you even not want see arguments

arguments was in my case but you ignored it cos its not legit arguments for you
you just want that

many of them are like wolwoo and Vispilio - lying shit-stirring demagogues.

may be like as croatian people you want to say?

Yep. Some people don't seem to appreciate this topic is made for transparency. I'm willing to explain to anyone why they're excluded, and I'm very curious why some users have excluded me. I've invited them to post it here, but it should be more than "you're racist", lol.

i exluded you because you support corruption

[LoyceV]

There is already a race attack going on clearly on Turkish members of the forum and from LoyceV's comments it is pretty clear they are trying to boost the same propaganda. There is more behind the story afterall.

I expected more from hacker1001101001. The only onces making it about "race" (I think they mean nationality) is those Turkish members. They only care for cases that involve Turkish members, and when that happens, they all jump on it. Maybe GazetaBitcoin can add this to his Gangs of BitcoinTalk.

i exluded you because you support corruption

Thanks for being (a bit) on-topic. You're allowed to have (and post) your opinion on this

First:
corruption (definition from Google):

dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.

That's not even an argument, it's just an accusation withoutevidence. Thanks for proving my point.

Second:
You're confused You were the one abusing his power, see:

Someone on DT1 is targeting Lauda. This morning, Lauda was at +33 / =6 / -4, now it's +32 / =6 / -11.
https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx shows that peloso (DT1 strength (2)) has added many users to DT2 today, and several of those have left Lauda negative feedback in the past.

It could be the real target is someone else (or multiple users), but I guess Lauda is the most likely scenario.

Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse.

I'll leave it to the reader to decide who's right. I expect only "the usual suspects" from your own local board to believe your narrative because for some reason they don't dare criticise their fellow citizens.

[peloso]

Thanks for being (a bit) on-topic. You're allowed to have (and post) your opinion on this

First:
corruption (definition from Google):

dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.

That's not even an argument, it's just an accusation withoutevidence. Thanks for proving my point.

Second:
You're confused You were the one abusing his power, see:

Someone on DT1 is targeting Lauda. This morning, Lauda was at +33 / =6 / -4, now it's +32 / =6 / -11.
https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx shows that peloso (DT1 strength (2)) has added many users to DT2 today, and several of those have left Lauda negative feedback in the past.

It could be the real target is someone else (or multiple users), but I guess Lauda is the most likely scenario.

Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse.

I'll leave it to the reader to decide who's right. I expect only "the usual suspects" from your own local board to believe your narrative because for some reason they don't dare criticise their fellow citizens.

thanks loycev to allow me
i know and sure you are not bad man and even good man but a lilibit corruptioneer
and you lie a lilbit )

first as i explaned i not attacked fucking lauda) i just added some people and nothing else
its not my blame that some of they lauda's enemy
also i added some peoples that support lauda but you not want see they
i can understand why you support this corruption attack to  me
i know why suchmoon and other morons support this attack cos they are morons
but you are a fair and wise man for what you need it ?

second
"Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse."
this is not true
because this

He is also adding people to boost his positive score (UserCoin, Mad_Max, aliborn, GAMORA, sashapan) users who previously have given him positive ratings.

why you ask only about this 5 users?
i have other users that gave me positive ratings ( |Admiral| Wananavu99 ancientcoins
UPPEX Thule Kingf1sher villain_Mr.Burns )  why i didnt add they?
why you not ask about yogg, LFC_Bitcoin, The Pharmacist, Lafu, JollyGood and others that distrusted me but they in my trust list WHY ?
LFC_Bitcoin gave me stupid neg but he it my trust list WHY?
so wassup ?

you don’t want to see a mass attack on me but you want to see me a trus abuser

this is a biased attitude and this is not fair

also you can find users that distrusted me last week making vendetta

[suchmoon]

"Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse."
this is not true

You're missing the point. You can add anyone to your trust list for any reason. Just man up and accept the fact that some users might see your self-serving actions as harmful to the trust system. You think LoyceV is wrong? Great. I don't think you'll change his mind but feel free to exclude him and tell your friends to do so as well. Which in turn might be seen as a bullshit retaliatory action given that LoyceV is a smart reasonable person, but hey it's your God-given right to be an idiot who thinks they can earn trust via some made-up technicality. Ooh you didn't include some backscratchers, do you want a cookie for that?

i know why suchmoon and other morons support this attack cos they are morons

Either that or people just don't trust you. We'll never know.