The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty.

[TMAN]

You're allowed to set local rules like this, TMAN, so I'd report his post if I were you. 

why do you think I did it bro!

reported and requested a ban as the fool doesn't know the rules.

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[The Cryptovator]

I noticed from Russian thread they are trolling to Alex_Sr after he invite for constructive discussions, if  not wrong Google translate. They believe their negative feedback's is wrong. So it's not going to solve unless remove feedback's. Since I am new, I will suggest to reconsider something.

1. Remove feedback's those are left for manipulation, leave it to theymos and he encourage to handle it. There option for manual black list, so it's not hard for theymos.
2. Give them chance on DT2 who really deserve it and actively tagging scammer from beginning. May be Alex_Sr could help about it.
3. Make a thread with list who have really tried to manipulate, so theymos will handle them manually.

Tagging each other not going to help solve the issue. Manipulate trust system subject to block them from DT selection, not subject to tag them and start a war.

so I'd report his post if I were you. 

Theymos not encourage to report or delete this kind of post. He like to know who are going to manipulate so that he can take proper action. So it would be better to make thread on meta who want to manipulate instead of tag or report.

[TMAN]

I will bring a debate about it if people can set local rules in meta.

NOT IN MY THREADS WHEN A LOCAL RULE IS SET

please stop posting in here - you are providing nothing but troll.

[Alex_Sr]

I noticed from Russian thread they are trolling to Alex_Sr after he invite for constructive discussions, if  not wrong Google translate. They believe their negative feedback's is wrong. So it's not going to solve unless remove feedback's. Since I am new, I will suggest to reconsider something.

Thanks for help! No one's trolling me yet. There is a dialogue of 2 people. This dialogue does not concern my proposals.

[suchmoon]

A good start could be to get a solid group of Russian members to acknowledge and accept a few ground rules for how the trust system should be used, such as:

xtraelv has a good thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099391

This topic is already translated yesterday:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099644.0

Great, thank you, and thanks to madnessteat.

If there are any important comments in that thread please encourage users to also comment on the English version or translate and repost here. There might be some constructive suggestions that we don't want to miss.

[Alex_Sr]

Great, thank you, and thanks to madnessteat.

If there are any important comments in that thread please encourage users to also comment on the English version or translate and repost here. There might be some constructive suggestions that we don't want to miss.

Yeah, okay! I asked him to add a translation of this topic:

AverageGlabella https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098422

Road map: Stage 1

1. Remove all negative feedback left by each party in relation to the other party (to consider individually each counter feedback from each user - those who remove feedback - remove mutually)

2. To remove all unwarranted positive feedbacks left by Russian users.

3. Close topics Massive abuse in the Russian section and TMAN abuses DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future as not conducive to constructive dialogue and provoking the escalation of the conflict.

4. Further discussion of all controversial questions in this topic.

[TMAN]

1. Remove all negative feedback left by each party in relation to the other party (to consider individually each counter feedback from each user - those who remove feedback - remove mutually)

Pelso, TheFuzzStone and DabLjat have not acted in a trustworthy manner.  I do not feel that removing the negs against these members is of a net benefit to the forum, agree with the rest.

[DabLjat]

Road map:

1. Remove all negative feedback left by each party in relation to the other party (to consider individually each counter feedback from each user - those who remove feedback - remove mutually)

2. To remove all unwarranted positive feedbacks left by Russian users.

3. Close topics Massive abuse in the Russian section and TMAN abuses DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future as not conducive to constructive dialogue and provoking the escalation of the conflict.

4. Further discussion of all controversial questions in this topic.

I have fulfilled my part of the road map.

[TMAN]

However, since you yourself have admitted red trusting for presenting facts pertaining to scams liars or scammers ..then how can your opinion be taken seriously in terms of discussion of a trust based system?

Evidence can be supplied.

I have repeatedly asked you to stop this harassment in my threads, you have been advised by saltyspoon that you are breaking the rules.

Reporting you again

Stop it with your off topic shit


Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod.

Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary

[OgNasty]

Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod.

Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary

This is hilarious coming from you. The troll becomes the trolled.

[TMAN]

Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod.

Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary

This is hilarious coming from you. The troll becomes the trolled.

Thanks for that OG, I’m not running a failing business I am trying to help the forum, do I need to start adding you to local rules as well? Either be productive or stay out of my threads

[mikeywith]

Pelso, TheFuzzStone and DabLjat have not acted in a trustworthy manner.  I do not feel that removing the negs against these members is of a net benefit to the forum, agree with the rest.

I think we should give them another chance, provided these members agree to not attempt any mass manipulation of the system , by adding known scammers to their lists for example.

however any tag that is related to scam and has nothing to do with the recent DT incident should not be removed.

again we can tag and exclude those members should they do anything untrustworthy.

but i hope TMAN would continue his path to peace with the Russians by removing every recent rating related to the trust system, and so do the Russians.

[TMAN]

I have removed all negatives sent to these guys - although I have re tagged peloso for his crazy behavior - I believe people need to be aware of his untrustworthy actions and behavior (he is not Russian so I feel this should not affect the Russian community)

My change of stance has come after talking with other DT members and Alex_SR. This should prove that I am moving towards a sensible resolution to these issues, the forum as a whole is not benefiting from infighting and tit for tat actions.

when i show you your fails it crazy behavior? ok it nice but i not scammer like your boss)

Please stop breaking forum rules by posting in threads that prohibit you doing so through local rules, this shows how uneducated you are in regards to this place.

PLEASE STOP POSTING HERE

[DabLjat]

I have removed all negatives sent to these guys - although I have re tagged peloso for his crazy behavior - I believe people need to be aware of his untrustworthy actions and behavior (he is not Russian so I feel this should not affect the Russian community)

My change of stance has come after talking with other DT members and Alex_SR. This should prove that I am moving towards a sensible resolution to these issues, the forum as a whole is not benefiting from infighting and tit for tat actions.

My feedback is still in place: Russian DT abuse

[TMAN]

My feedback is still in place: Russian DT abuse

Apologies, I thought I had removed your as well - gone now.

[DabLjat]

My feedback is still in place: Russian DT abuse

Apologies, I thought I had removed your as well - gone now.

Checked! It's okay!

[TMAN]

plese stop your buthurt
and explain folks why you retagged me
the reason im not from Russia

The only butthurt is you - PLEASE LEAVE THE THREAD.

Forum rule #26 is being broken by you consistently - harassing me will only make this worse.

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This is great, and props to you, DabLjat, TMAN and others for all agreeing to start a fresh. I've also noticed that DabLjat has removed all the unreferenced positive feedback he had left to other members of his community, so thank you for that too.

I'm trying to follow your Russian thread, but as I don't speak Russian I'm sure I'm losing some of it in translation. It seems that the next step on the plan is to identify some outstanding Russian members who would be good additions to the DT network?

It's probably worth pointing out that peloso is trolling their thread just as much as he is trolling here; ignore him.

[OgNasty]

Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod.

Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary

This is hilarious coming from you. The troll becomes the trolled.

Thanks for that OG, I’m not running a failing business I am trying to help the forum, do I need to start adding you to local rules as well? Either be productive or stay out of my threads

You are the cancer of this forum. If you want to help, just leave. You’ve never contributed anything here ever, you window licker.

[Lesbian Cow]

Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod.

Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary

This is hilarious coming from you. The troll becomes the trolled.

Thanks for that OG, I’m not running a failing business I am trying to help the forum, do I need to start adding you to local rules as well? Either be productive or stay out of my threads

You are the cancer of this forum. If you want to help, just leave. You’ve never contributed anything here ever, you window licker.

Off topic  I have traded with both of you for many years, og since 2013 tman since 2015.  Respect you both.
 
I was there in the slack group when your feud first started.  It was silly then and now it is destructive. At this point you are both behaving like jack asses.   Sort your dispute in private.  It would be better for you both and better for the forum.