The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty.

[TMAN]

Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod.

Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary

This is hilarious coming from you. The troll becomes the trolled.

Thanks for that OG, I’m not running a failing business I am trying to help the forum, do I need to start adding you to local rules as well? Either be productive or stay out of my threads

You are the cancer of this forum. If you want to help, just leave. You’ve never contributed anything here ever, you window licker.

Off topic  I have traded with both of you for many years, og since 2013 tman since 2015.  Respect you both.
 
I was there in the slack group when your feud first started.  It was silly then and now it is destructive. At this point you are both behaving like jack asses.   Sort your dispute in private.  It would be better for you both and better for the forum.

I support this, looking forward to the PM from OG

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[TMAN]

Hi, Lauda

You are best off leaving lauda a little while, he doesn't react well to retaliatory negs.

can we start sorting you guys trust lists and work a way to take a further step forwards, maybe with some goodwill Lauda will come round/

[Quickseller]

Hi, Lauda

You are best off leaving lauda a little while, he doesn't react well to retaliatory negs.

He likes to give them though. He doesn't like criticism either.

[suchmoon]

xenon131, you're wrong here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096402.msg49364592#msg49364592

Votes are given only to users who are included directly and explicitly in your trust list. If you have DefaultTrust in your list that doesn't mean DT1 members get your votes. And the rule that "who needs it most gets it" also doesn't mean that some random user will get your vote. It means "who needs it most within your trust list". This rule is needed only when you have more included users in your trust list than you have available votes.

This post by G.I.Caesar is correct: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096402.msg49365399#msg49365399

DefaultTrust is basically a dummy user account that is automatically assigned to each user's trust list (unless they set up a custom list of course) and it automatically includes the elected DT1 members in its trust list:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=122551

[madnessteat]

~snip~

@suchmoon please tell me how are the negotiations going? Today I saw that xenon131 still red trust. I consist in lists DT0 from Lauda, TMAN, marlboroza. I have them in my list DT0 not added!

[suchmoon]

~snip~

@suchmoon please tell me how are the negotiations going? Today I saw that xenon131 still red trust I consist in lists DT0 from Lauda, TMAN, marlboroza. I have them in my list DT0 not added!

I can't speak for Lauda and I'm not really certain who's tracking the progress of negotiations. Perhaps TMAN and Alex_Sr could give us an update.

In my personal opinion, you are free to include/exclude anyone you see fit in your trust list regardless of how the negotiation goes. Of course for the trust system to work as intended (and this has nothing to do with DefaultTrust/DT) you should only add people whose judgement you trust, and not based on them being nice, sharing the same language, etc. Keep in mind that even if you don't use DefaultTrust yourself you're still voting for DT1 members.

[madnessteat]

~snip~

Thank you for the information. I will wait for a peaceful settlement.

I used DefaultTrust list to be able to view the default users trust when translating a useful topic for the Russian-speaking community [Инcтpyкция] Пoдcчeт oчкoв дoвepия

In my list DT0 consist users, which I belive only useful forum, this my opinion.

[OgNasty]

Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod.

Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary

This is hilarious coming from you. The troll becomes the trolled.

Thanks for that OG, I’m not running a failing business I am trying to help the forum, do I need to start adding you to local rules as well? Either be productive or stay out of my threads

You are the cancer of this forum. If you want to help, just leave. You’ve never contributed anything here ever, you window licker.

Off topic  I have traded with both of you for many years, og since 2013 tman since 2015.  Respect you both.
 
I was there in the slack group when your feud first started.  It was silly then and now it is destructive. At this point you are both behaving like jack asses.   Sort your dispute in private.  It would be better for you both and better for the forum.

TMAN adds no value to this forum.  He has never contributed anything.  It would be a better place without him.  The only contribution he claims is his trust network, which even theymos has distrusted him...  Stop defending trolls just because you've exchanged trust with them.  TMAN attacked me and everyone that defended the community organization I donate to while you sat quiet and left him trust...  Don't pretend that you're impartial.  If you watched him spread lies and extort community organization supporters in slack and you still trust him, you are also the problem with this forum.  This is why most successful people stop contributing here.  Which I guess is the goal, to cast out all the old folks who watched these scammers get into positions of trust, and simply bury the past. 

[suchmoon]

Wow. thnx, I didn't I know that, really. Will clarify this matter for Russian community now. Why  didn't u do this by yourself in the Russian thread? U seems to be from Croatia and  would quickly learn Russian. Thnx one more

I'm not from Croatia (if you're wondering about the text under my avatar - that's marlboroza's translation of my username) but I do know a little bit of Russian, just enough to completely embarrass myself if I try to post anything in it.

So please feel free to clarify this DefaultTrust thing to the users on the Russian board and if there are any other questions don't hesitate to ask. PMs are welcome as well.

We didn't shy to speak English here ,  why you're avoiding to speak Russian?

Your English is much better than my Russian, that's for sure

[Alex_Sr]

You are best off leaving lauda a little while, he doesn't react well to retaliatory negs.

can we start sorting you guys trust lists and work a way to take a further step forwards, maybe with some goodwill Lauda will come round/

Ok! Let's move on to the discussion of our trust lists. I made a preliminary list. If you have questions about the composition of this list-let's discuss!

My trust list:
theymos
dooglus
gmaxwell
qwk
Vod
mprep
Cyrus
Welsh
ibminer
TMAN
Lauda
DefaultTrust
suchmoon
xandry
MaoChao
LoyceV
actmyname
WhiteManWhite
The Pharmacist
DarkStar_
kzv
TheFuzzStone
marlboroza
Lafu
xtraelv
Goran_
o_e_l_e_o
chimk
coinlocket$
asche
DdmrDdmr
taikuri13
Coolcryptovator
1miau
ICOEthics

[Quickseller]

You are best off leaving lauda a little while, he doesn't react well to retaliatory negs.

can we start sorting you guys trust lists and work a way to take a further step forwards, maybe with some goodwill Lauda will come round/

Ok! Let's move on to the discussion of our trust lists. I made a preliminary list. If you have questions about the composition of this list-let's discuss!

My trust list:
theymos
dooglus
gmaxwell
qwk
Vod
mprep
Cyrus
Welsh
ibminer
TMAN
Lauda
DefaultTrust
suchmoon
xandry
LoyceV
actmyname
WhiteManWhite
The Pharmacist
DarkStar_
kzv
TheFuzzStone
marlboroza
Lafu
xtraelv
Goran_
o_e_l_e_o
chimk
coinlocket$
asche
DdmrDdmr
taikuri13
Coolcryptovator
1miau
ICOEthics

I would encourage you to review the below two threads and potentially reconsider your trust list, including potentially excluding people:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0 - extortion attempt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0 - likely theft of funds

[Alex_Sr]

I would encourage you to review the below two threads and potentially reconsider your trust list, including potentially excluding people:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0 - extortion attempt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0 - likely theft of funds

TMAN and Lauda have thousands of unique feedbacks. The question of trust is a personal one.

[suchmoon]

Ok! Let's move on to the discussion of our trust lists. I made a preliminary list. If you have questions about the composition of this list-let's discuss!

This is more of a technical note:

If you're including both DefaultTrust and individual members, be very careful how you set the depth.

If you set depth to 2 (default) then it works ok with DefaultTrust - you end up trusting DT1 and DT2 members - but it may give you undesired results with individual inclusion, because you will be trusting them, their inclusions, and inclusions of their inclusions. So for example if you included a DT1 member explicitly in your list, with depth 2 you'll be trusting up to DT3 level of that person's network, which may be more than you wanted.

If you set depth to 1, it works better with your individual inclusions - you will trust them and their inclusions - whereas having  DefaultTrust means you're trusting DT1 members, but not DT2 unless you include their DT1 "includers" individually.

You may already know this, but I thought I'd repeat it just in case.

Another thing to consider is that you could end up in DT1 so make sure that everyone in your list makes a good DT2 candidate as well.

[Alex_Sr]

Another thing to consider is that you could end up in DT1 so make sure that everyone in your list makes a good DT2 candidate as well.

Yes, thanks! When I was making my trust list, I was considering it!

[TECSHARE]

I would encourage you to review the below two threads and potentially reconsider your trust list, including potentially excluding people:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0 - extortion attempt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0 - likely theft of funds

TMAN and Lauda have thousands of unique feedbacks. The question of trust is a personal one.

Is quantity an indicator of quality?

[Thule]

TMAN adds no value to this forum.  He has never contributed anything.  It would be a better place without him.  The only contribution he claims is his trust network, which even theymos has distrusted him...  Stop defending trolls just because you've exchanged trust with them.  TMAN attacked me and everyone that defended the community organization I donate to while you sat quiet and left him trust...  Don't pretend that you're impartial.  If you watched him spread lies and extort community organization supporters in slack and you still trust him, you are also the problem with this forum.  This is why most successful people stop contributing here.  Which I guess is the goal, to cast out all the old folks who watched these scammers get into positions of trust, and simply bury the past.

Great Post

Ok! Let's move on to the discussion of our trust lists. I made a preliminary list. If you have questions about the composition of this list-let's discuss!

My trust list:
theymos
dooglus
gmaxwell
qwk
Vod
mprep
Cyrus
Welsh
ibminer
TMAN
Lauda
DefaultTrust
suchmoon
xandry
MaoChao
LoyceV
actmyname
WhiteManWhite
The Pharmacist
DarkStar_
kzv
TheFuzzStone
marlboroza
Lafu
xtraelv
Goran_
o_e_l_e_o
chimk
coinlocket$
asche
DdmrDdmr
taikuri13
Coolcryptovator
1miau
ICOEthics

Haha they forced you to add them into your trust list.LOL Sorry but are you sure you are a real russian ?You accept getting forced to put scammers into your DT list ?Really ?


Its also funny how some DT pigs who called you diffrent names are now so nice to you once you accepted to put them into your trust list.


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If you are going to add these known scammers into your trust list i can guarantee you the russians are going away from you.
They just created another pig doing what they demand to safe their status quo.

[actmyname]

Martin you will get served.You can trust me on that.I just see you are a big mouth which is lying and manipulating.Its worthless to give you anything.
I will start with the US and will ask my Canadian lawyer to find the adress of Martin Lawrence from Edmonton and send him a letter with the question if he is Vod from bitcointalk.org.
I will let the community know the answer........ if you/he even will answer it.

You've already made blanket statements before. Continue, please.

[marlboroza]

Haha they forced you to add them into your trust list.

You accept getting forced to put scammers into your DT list ?

Its also funny how some DT pigs who called you diffrent names are now so nice to you once you accepted to put them into your trust list.

If you are going to add these known scammers into your trust list i can guarantee you the russians are going away from you.
They just created another pig doing what they demand to safe their status quo.

You seems trying to cause fight between forum members so badly it is disgusting.

I thought I ate something bad and got diarrhea, but I finally know the reason. Your posts are making me go to toilet every time I read them.

So tell me, what is your problem with me? Have I tagged "wrong" alt account or something?

Now explain why am I and other highlighted users known scammers.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So tell me, what is your problem with me? Have I tagged "wrong" alt account or something?

I think you can call bingo on that one.  It would be one hell of a coincidence if we had trolls like Thule, cryptohunter, aplesaples, itomarketing, Chosen Username....and probably one or two others that I'm not thinking of, all at the same time, all writing pretty much the same stuff over and over again.  I'm not confident all of them are one person, but I strongly suspect that there are only about two individuals max behind all of those accounts.

Continue, please.

What with the language barriers and all, there's a good chance he might take this statement literally.  I'd like to suggest that he NOT continue--not to stifle dissent but as a sanity-saver for those of us who've read the same tired arguments again and again and are tired of it.

[TMAN]

Updated local rule. Thule may not post in this thread any longer