Venezuela

[Jet Cash]

I gather Venezuela has a large supply of food, but the people can't afford to buy it because of US sanctions. The US needs to remove the sanctions so that people can start working again, and they should return the money they seized when Maduro tried to buy dialysis machines and other health aid, which the US blocked.

and why doesn't the US send aid to the Yemen if they are so keen on humanitarian aid?

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[vit05]

Pedro Ultreras
‏@pedroultreras

Ya estamos abordando. Fuimos expulsados de venezuela por hacer preguntas incómodas a Maduro. Perp ahora nos sentimos más seguros tras la actitud represiva del gobierno de Venezuela. @UniNoticias @jorgeramosnews
https://twitter.com/pedroultreras/status/1100426845173022720

The mistaken made by US government does not make the decisions of Maduro right. The two leaders may be wrong in many decisions. But it is difficult to debate or defend a regime that is doing everything they can to expel from the country who thinks differently.

It is not just American sanctions that are isolating Venezuela.


It is important to emphasize once again that since January, Brazil has a government that is radically against Maduro's government.

This war for information passed by the press is the last resource of the government. There is no other possibility for this government to stand. It is a dispute over narratives. But how to believe in a version that prohibits videos that are not positive?

[Artemis3]

I gather Venezuela has a large supply of food, but the people can't afford to buy it because of US sanctions. The US needs to remove the sanctions so that people can start working again, and they should return the money they seized when Maduro tried to buy dialysis machines and other health aid, which the US blocked.

and why doesn't the US send aid to the Yemen if they are so keen on humanitarian aid?

People can't buy it because the socialists in power destroyed the economy, when they ran out of money over corruption and overspending they just "printed" more and that is that. Whatever you say is nothing more than lies.

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RIGHT NOW there is no toothpaste shortage in Caracas, its simply all imported, and very expensive. Socialists destroyed the economy, and with it the national production of toothpaste, which used to be made in Venezuela, but not anymore.

And guess what, they don't take our fiat in other countries, because socialism forbids free exchange of it. So international price, at black market, plus the profit of the merchant. Direct result of a socialist policy: There is less of everything and more expensive.

As i explained before, toothpaste and other things reappear when people circumvent the socialist law, specifically the one that fixates the prices.

Food is the same, un-buyable for the masses, plenty for the few rich, usually tied to the usurper government, and the occasional foreigner who instantly becomes rich due to the magic of hyperinflation.

Of course you didn't watch the live streams, because the truth would shatter your anti Venezuelans propaganda. Here is a picture of one of the trucks before it entered the bridge:


And after:

This war for information passed by the press is the last resource of the government. There is no other possibility for this government to stand. It is a dispute over narratives. But how to believe in a version that prohibits videos that are not positive?

That's only the tip of the iceberg. Maduro and his cronies are involved in criminal acts against humanity even before he ordered the burning of the food and medicine trucks. If they survive the transition, they will spend the rest of their lives in prison, and they know it.

Also internet is heavily censored in Venezuela, and cable companies (including Direct TV) had to take down several channels that day or else...

[tvbcof]

Of course you didn't watch the live streams, because the truth would shatter your anti Venezuelans propaganda. Here is a picture of one of the trucks before it entered the bridge:


And after:

Every bit of footage I've seen shows exactly what I expected.  Laughable fake-ass stuff just like the 'white helmets' stage-craft in Syria or the 7' tall mooslims beheading white people.

I have to think that this fake-ee state department stuff has to be so obviously fake that it makes it clear to every person in the corporate media that it is a government authorized propaganda effort and they have to play along if they want to keep their jobs.  You cannot send a memo around since it would be leaked, but you can arrange things such that anyone in the media has no excuse not to recognize the propaganda since it is so fake and laughable.

CIA-Backed Goons Set Humanitarian Aid on Fire in Venezuela:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6EGefs9_mo

These CIA-backed goons have been asked politely by the International Red Cross to please stop wearing their uniforms when they fire-bomb fake aid trucks as false-flag operations.  That didn't work so the IRC are taking things a to the next level.  I wish them luck.

All of this stuff is documented.  If Fatty Pimpeo does gets U.S. boots on the ground thus giving the brain-dead U.S. peeps a reason learn that that there is a country called Venezuela down there, then they may be interested enough to look into what is going on and they will be stumbling across the frauds being perpetrated as we speak.  That would be my guess anyway.  The more Google and Facebook try to memory-hole the info, the more irrelevant they will become.

[Artemis3]

All of this stuff is documented.  If Fatty Pimpeo does gets U.S. boots on the ground thus giving the brain-dead U.S. peeps a reason learn that that there is a country called Venezuela down there, then they may be interested enough to look into what is going on and they will be stumbling across the frauds being perpetrated as we speak.  That would be my guess anyway.

They won't, because they have plenty of UAVs to swarm the skies without putting feet on the ground. Libya was air support and the occasional civilian contract, and here there is even a chance Colombia and Brazil would walk in instead. And Colombia is a NATO friend too...

This conflict could end peacefully by a resign of Maduro and Tarek (usurping president and vice-president positions), but they would rather let the people die of sickness and malnutrition than losing power. So it has come to this. After they fall, you will see the network of corruption and scandal surrounding them. Almost all of south American presidents lost their position over Odebrecht scandals, and Venezuela being the country with the most dealings with this Brazilian construction company, nothing occurred. Well you will see all the dirt they were hiding soon...

[tvbcof]

All of this stuff is documented.  If Fatty Pimpeo does gets U.S. boots on the ground thus giving the brain-dead U.S. peeps a reason learn that that there is a country called Venezuela down there, then they may be interested enough to look into what is going on and they will be stumbling across the frauds being perpetrated as we speak.  That would be my guess anyway.

They won't, because they have plenty of UAVs to swarm the skies without putting feet on the ground. Libya was air support and the occasional civilian contract, and here there is even a chance Colombia and Brazil would walk in instead. And Colombia is a NATO friend too...

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More and more Americans seem to feel that this 'creative destruction' is so clever and cool.  Especially the growing Christian Zionist movement it seems.  'Creative Destruction' in theory and practice was 'not invented here' and for most of our history our people (if not our leaders) found such things repulsive.  That's one of the reasons the U.S. enjoyed the support it did in times past.  There is no reason that 'creative destruction' could not be implemented in and on the U.S. by the proponents of this philosophy.  I expect that one day it will be.

The foundation of our strength is currently having our name on the world reserve currency.  When that collapses we will have relatively little going for us what with a large majority of our population being on prescription meds and so on.  If the U.S. is filled with the kind of shit-heads that think what we did in Libya was just great then there will be few tears shed for us when we run into trouble.  Actually there will be quite a few high-fives I'll bet, and I honest will not be able to blame those around the world who will be cheering.  Especially the Libyans, Yemenis, and Syrians that didn't get killed by our munitions and our ISIS creations and so on.

If I happen to be overseas when the shit hits the fan it will be the memory of people like Artemis3 (assuming he's even an American) who will help me come to terms with my losses.  That is to say, most of my friends and family.

[byebyehi]

Venezuelans have taken over an online game called runescape.  They are farming virtual gold and selling it

[tvbcof]

Venezuelans have taken over an online game called runescape.  They are farming virtual gold and selling it

Interesting.  That's the only reason I've seen since the 8086 CPU was cutting edge to play a video game.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Venezuelans have taken over an online game called runescape.  They are farming virtual gold and selling it

Please comment so out of place ... If that were the case they were not dealing with humanitarian crises or with so many patients in a hospital without medicines. What I do not understand, is how people can be defending the indefensible, usurp the executive positions and think they are going to stay another 6 years? only in his micro brain can such information enter him.

[Artemis3]

Venezuelans have taken over an online game called runescape.  They are farming virtual gold and selling it

Please comment so out of place ... If that were the case they were not dealing with humanitarian crises or with so many patients in a hospital without medicines. What I do not understand, is how people can be defending the indefensible, usurp the executive positions and think they are going to stay another 6 years? only in his micro brain can such information enter him.

Venezuelans try and get jobs paid in foreign currency, be it online games or anything that provides any amount of money in any currency that is not the Venezuelan bolivar, including bitcoin of course.

This is to survive the current situation. A full time job would pay you the equivalent of 10 USD, so naturally if you get an online job that pays you *anything* above that a month, you take it. Yes, even the menial tasks or ad clicks, or helping google train the AI for the pentagon to classify objects and recognize faces. Yes i have an account in figure eight, (formerly crowdflower) and clearly remember doing a few of those. I didn't mind, it brings food to the table, something socialists don't.

There is also solve captchas for money (pretty much defeating their purpose) and much worse. Some people resort to scams or MLM and ponzis. Most online games don't allow selling of items for real money, but the black market exists, and black market is something socialism makes you a habit of using, their promoters never stop to think of the consequences their destruction of the economy produces in human beings.

The Runescape thing is old, almost as old as that game. Game farming was usually seen as a joke about Chinese inmates, even Venezuelans would joke about it a decade ago. But socialism turned the joke on us, and many started doing it as a means to survive, at least when there are no blackouts or internet service outages, which are sadly very frequent especially outside of Caracas.

Some professionals are able to do freelancing from home, while others just leave the country. Several families have gone separate, mothers working alone in neighbor countries, hiding because they are overstaying, sending money back home for their children to it. It is not a joke i have seen it myself. The socialists have forbidden the sending of money without paying taxes, meaning you are supposed to use their intermediation always. Yes, even bitcoin. Good luck enforcing that, same as their attempt to replace the market with bureaucracy...

[Daniel91]

What are your thoughts on the current situation in Venezuela? I know that Bitcoin is pretty popular there; do we have any Venezuelan forum members?

Guaidó is the most obvious CIA-backed politician I've ever seen, but Maduro is totally evil. I'd recommend that the people of Venezuela find a third option, but between the two I suppose Guaidó is probably better...?

The interventionists in the US government really want to send troops there, so they're having diplomats stand in the crossfire in the hope that an incident occurs and this can be used as an excuse to invade. If Maduro is really careful, this can maybe be avoided, and perhaps he can last a while longer. Even though the US is talking as though they'll militarily support anti-Maduro rebels, I don't think that they'll actually openly do so without something that they can say constitutes major provocation.

Whatever happens, I hope that the situation in Venezuela finally improves. From what I've heard, it's been basically a hellhole there for at least several years.

Well, it seems that every day political situation in Venezuela becoming worse and more difficult.
It seems that Maduro will not accept free presidential election and will not give up from his political power.
So, either army supports Guaido or America intervenes there, I don't see that any other solution is realistic right now.
It's obvious to me that Venezuela became political playground for the ''big powers'' like America and EU on one side and Russia and China on other side.
Each side wants to protect their political interest and main award is their oil.

[Artemis3]

What are your thoughts on the current situation in Venezuela? I know that Bitcoin is pretty popular there; do we have any Venezuelan forum members?

Guaidó is the most obvious CIA-backed politician I've ever seen, but Maduro is totally evil. I'd recommend that the people of Venezuela find a third option, but between the two I suppose Guaidó is probably better...?

The interventionists in the US government really want to send troops there, so they're having diplomats stand in the crossfire in the hope that an incident occurs and this can be used as an excuse to invade. If Maduro is really careful, this can maybe be avoided, and perhaps he can last a while longer. Even though the US is talking as though they'll militarily support anti-Maduro rebels, I don't think that they'll actually openly do so without something that they can say constitutes major provocation.

Whatever happens, I hope that the situation in Venezuela finally improves. From what I've heard, it's been basically a hellhole there for at least several years.

Well, it seems that every day political situation in Venezuela becoming worse and more difficult.
It seems that Maduro will not accept free presidential election and will not give up from his political power.
So, either army supports Guaido or America intervenes there, I don't see that any other solution is realistic right now.
It's obvious to me that Venezuela became political playground for the ''big powers'' like America and EU on one side and Russia and China on other side.
Each side wants to protect their political interest and main award is their oil.

Of course not, nobody was expecting Maduro to give up. As i mentioned, if Maduro and Tarek resign, the problem is over. Calling Guaidó "CIA" backed is childish, your government and country officially recognizes Guaidó, and that obviously includes intelligence, but is not like the act as a separate entity doing "evil". All countries have intelligence services, wherever effective or not that's another matter.

Guaidó is actually USA backed, heck, Guaidó is currently backed by:

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Maduro is also backed by the intelligence service of Cuba (g2), so what? Are you going to play spy fiction games now? Who cares?

Albeit the "big powers" do have interests in the region, you seem to be ignoring what the actual Venezuelans want. Can you understand becoming hostage (or prisoner) of your own State? That is more or less the situation, 80% want Maduro and his close group gone, but they say no and they have the weapons while civilians don't. Oh and they do with justice, laws and voting whatever they want and nobody can do or say anything about it because... He has the weapons, and civilians don't. And they use the military force like an occupation army against their own people. "In the name of the 'Legacy' (Chávez) and Socialism" anything goes to them. To them, the constitution is no more, the "National Constituent Assembly" is above all...

Even if America doesn't intervene, nothing is going to change the sentiment against Maduro, the only difference is the number of deaths and misery the prolonged usurping or power produces, while at the same time stubbornly denying humanitarian aid that the people DO WANT.

As of today, more than 400 military and police have defected Maduro and fled to Colombia to request asylum. I don't know how many more had fled to Brazil or the other neighbors. In the Santa Elena town near the border with Brazil, more indigenous people have been killed. At least 700 "irregulars" assaulted the airport which was controlled by the indigenous people protesting the killings, these "irregulars" are not police, nor miltary, some witnesses have recognized convicted criminals and several colombians, probably from ELN guerrilla.

[LazerSMS]

Colombia and other Latin American countries should organize a military intervention, not the USA.

Latin America should start making its own interests and this means taking responsabilities

[tvbcof]

Colombia and other Latin American countries should organize a military intervention, not the USA.

Latin America should start making its own interests and this means taking responsabilities

I don't see why _anyone_ 'should organize military intervention' against a country which:

 - has a leadership which was elected fair and square by the population, and

 - is not bothering their neighboring states.

The rest of the 'Latin American' countries have plenty of internal problems that they should be focusing on within their own borders.

Even countries like Saudi Arabia and China who's citizens have no say about who or what their leadership is should not be attacked unless the un-elected leadership is reaching outside of their borders to spread their own brand of anti-human taint on others.  (In both of these cases they happen to be doing so.)  If they keep their stink within their borders then their own people can deal with the problems if they take a mind to.

[Artemis3]

I don't see why _anyone_ 'should organize military intervention' against a country which:

 - has a leadership which was elected fair and square by the population, and

 - is not bothering their neighboring states.

The rest of the 'Latin American' countries have plenty of internal problems that they should be focusing on within their own borders.

Even countries like Saudi Arabia and China who's citizens have no say about who or what their leadership is should not be attacked unless the un-elected leadership is reaching outside of their borders to spread their own brand of anti-human taint on others.  (In both of these cases they happen to be doing so.)  If they keep their stink within their borders then their own people can deal with the problems if they take a mind to.

"Fair and square" according to whom, you? You are not even Venezuelan and have no idea what actually happened to be making that statement. They were blatantly rigged, period. You have every right to demand your politicians to not intervene (and they have every right to ignore you), but you have zero rights to defend the cause of the misery of the Venezuelan people. The moment you move a finger to defend Maduro, you are trampling over millions of lives and you have no morals to make those anti Venezuelans comments. In fact, i demand that you stay out of our matters. YOU are the one intervening. We requested the aid, not you. You don't want to give it? Fine, others will. Maduro is a criminal usurper and has no authority over any matters, he should be taken into custody and trialed for his crimes in the international court along with his close accomplices. But that is not YOUR problem, its OURS, so mind your own problems in your own country before spitting lies about a place you don't belong to.

[tvbcof]

I don't see why _anyone_ 'should organize military intervention' against a country which:

 - has a leadership which was elected fair and square by the population, and
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"Fair and square" according to whom, you?
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Me, and the 300 or so international election monitors who said it was amazingly well organized and fair.

  https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/05/29/election-observer-the-majority-have-chosen-the-path-they-want-for-venezuela/

Those would be the monitors which the anti-Maduro forces asked the U.N. NOT to send for the election:

  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-un/venezuela-opposition-asks-u-n-not-to-send-observers-to-may-vote-idUSKCN1GO2J0

It's pretty clear to any thinking and somewhat knowledgeable person, no matter what their feelings about Maduro and his type, what is going on here, and the 'facts' are not on your side of the equation.

If you don't like democracy and think that 'autonomous drones' are the way to impose the oligarchy's will on the people of non-aligned nations, fine.  Lot's of us simply don't feel that way, and further we think people like you are douche-bags.

[coins4commies]

I am American and want intervention because I hate Trump and he was elected in a questionable manner.  Please liberate me.

[Artemis3]

.@StateDept is aware of and deeply concerned with reports that another U.S. journalist has been detained in #Venezuela by #Maduro, who prefers to stifle the truth rather than face it. Being a journalist is not a crime. We demand the journalist’s immediate release, unharmed.

https://twitter.com/WHAAsstSecty/status/1103365672040570881

And yet again Maduro imprisons more journalists. Where is the hypocrite Max Blumenthal that doesn't go try inquire about this? See if he likes socialism for what truly is: State oppression.

[KingScorpio]

.@StateDept is aware of and deeply concerned with reports that another U.S. journalist has been detained in #Venezuela by #Maduro, who prefers to stifle the truth rather than face it. Being a journalist is not a crime. We demand the journalist’s immediate release, unharmed.

https://twitter.com/WHAAsstSecty/status/1103365672040570881

And yet again Maduro imprisons more journalists. Where is the hypocrite Max Blumenthal that doesn't go try inquire about this? See if he likes socialism for what truly is: State oppression.

capitalism is effectively the same, instead of state thugs there are hired and payed thugs, instead of laws that ban the creation of money, there are corrupt media systems that prevent others from establishing themselves as capitalits.

in both systems society is divided by money printing elites and money earning cattle.

in socialism the elites at least pretends to care for others, in capitalism the elite just surpresses and stupidises the others

if you think its different to live under bitcoin billionaires and their central bank and centraly controlled cryptoindex, or in a state with a state official controlled index and financial system you are stupid

there is no difference

both are about the doomed "idiots" that are still selling their time for money

[azkielt]

I am American and want intervention because I hate Trump and he was elected in a questionable manner.  Please liberate me.

He did not even win the popular vote, but if you are the president of the most powerful country in the world you can do whatever you want like call anyone you want a liar, shutdown the government because you want a stupid wall that not will bring anything useful at all, broke nuclear weapons pacts like we broke a deal for a candy with a boy, and nothings happens.
Now if you are the president of any other country and you don't kiss the boots of US you will be trick to look like you kill your people with hunger and corruption even if almost all presidents of the world have some corruption cases that have been prove at some point and they people are without many problems.