Legendary account seller

[Timelord2067]

Not really, no. There is a certain risk if it falls into the wrong hands - someone could probably do some damage with it, so I'd like to avoid that. But as far as monetary value it's $0 to me. I can start tomorrow as a noob and be just as happy trash-talking in Meta and mining Grin and doing whatever else I've been doing here. Probably even happier without the drama that comes with the "positions of power" LOL.

Saving Bruno's account kind of blew up in your face though.

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[TalkStar]

Based on the user's actions, their responses and the discussion here, I have tagged and excluded the user.
Anyone who is anti account-sale tagging has flawed judgement. This will be my final input on this matter.

Thanks for showing your instant action to keep the forum Clean. From now its fully clear to everyone that it doesn't matter if anyone have green trust or not but it matters by committing any kind of illegal activities no one will get discount here in the future.

Account buy - sell  activity always controlled strictly by our forum DT members. Its another example of that. I wish every user will be much careful about it from now.

Rules are always same for everyone.

[marlboroza]

@Eddie13 I would appreciate if you don't put words in my mouth thank you.
@DarkStar_ thank you for your input on this matter.
@Thule you are not allowed to post here any more.

[eddie13]

@Eddie13 I would appreciate if you don't put words in my mouth thank you.
@DarkStar_ thank you for your input on this matter.

I'm sorry..
It was not my intention to put words into your mouth but rather to understand your stance on the subject as we were all responding to shasan's suggestion of strict lending regulations..

Why is it so hard to take valid collateral and not someone's reputation/age/etc?

Lenders should not be allowed to make no-collateral loans at all?
They should not be free to take whatever risk they think is worth the reward?

Why is it so hard to take valid collateral and not someone's reputation/age/etc?

Because it is unrealistic to only fund loans with valid collateral. 
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No collateral loan defaults create a mess, but so do normal trades where escrow isn't used - should those be banned too?

DarkStar_ said basically the same thing I did in his reply to the same quote of yours but I get a "don't put words in my mouth" while DarkStar_ gets a "thank you for your input"
Infact, DarkStar_'s posts here have only supported the points I made about taking accounts collateral...

1- Loan is repaid, end of story.
2- User Default on Loan.

how were you planing to handle no 2 exactly? i am not aware of any other thing that can be done except for selling the account.

Or, you could hold the account for an indefinite period of time hoping they will some day repay the loan.. No?
Why would the lender absolutely have to sell it? He wouldn't..

dude needs his money, he can't wait for "indefinite period of time", nobody can. he waited for 3 days and then started to sell the account.

your argument is invalid, that lendee could have came straight and informed the lender that he was never going to pay the loan, the lendee could have passed away, there are tons of things that could have happened and the lender would have no way out but to sell the account , that's why it's called a "collateral" - something you pre-plan to sell to repay yourself.

When you lend, you should be aware of risks from defaults. I know for certain that I have an account from early 2017 that I obtained via default, and I'm still holding onto it in hopes of eventual repayment (and because I don't want to sell it)

- I disagree with leaving lenders negative trust for taking accounts as collateral (unless they sell the account)

Of what subject matter he has touched on, our views have been parallel..

[marlboroza]

DarkStar_ said basically the same thing I did in his reply to the same quote of yours but I get a "don't put words in my mouth" while DarkStar_ gets a "thank you for your input"

Observation, small rant^[1], thoughts. Thank you for your input and don't put words in my mouth.
[1]I had some PM drama from Real14Hero because of this and some PM from shasan because of this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1000796, something about this IIRC.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

OK, the feedback left by Lauda and actmyname speaks louder than the discussion we've had here--henceforth, no exceptions to account sellers being negged will be made.  I'm not in total agreement with that, but I do understand the need for consistency and avoiding even the appearance of not playing favorites--even though I have no relationship with grtthegreat and didn't stand to gain or lose anything if I negged him.  My problem is that I can see both sides of the argument, and each side has valid points.  That's why I'm conflicted.

However, if this is the community standard that we're going to adopt I can live with that.  No one should be selling accounts in 2019 and should know that buyers & sellers of them have been getting tagged since 2016 and should be familiar with all the reasons that have been given as to why account sales hurt the forum.

My apologies for waffling on this, and I'm glad marlboroza made this thread so that we can all give our opinions.  I, for one, am thankful for everyone who chimed in.

[Timelord2067]

OK, the feedback left by Lauda and actmyname speaks louder than the discussion we've had here--henceforth, no exceptions to account sellers being negged will be made.  I'm not in total agreement with that, but I do understand the need for consistency and avoiding even the appearance of not playing favorites--even though I have no relationship with grtthegreat and didn't stand to gain or lose anything if I negged him.  My problem is that I can see both sides of the argument, and each side has valid points.  That's why I'm conflicted.

However, if this is the community standard that we're going to adopt I can live with that.  No one should be selling accounts in 2019 and should know that buyers & sellers of them have been getting tagged since 2016 and should be familiar with all the reasons that have been given as to why account sales hurt the forum.

My apologies for waffling on this, and I'm glad marlboroza made this thread so that we can all give our opinions.  I, for one, am thankful for everyone who chimed in.

Are you going to revisit old account sellers, or, draw a line in the sand and adopt a "from this point on-wards" attitude?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Are you going to revisit old account sellers, or, draw a line in the sand and adopt a "from this point on-wards" attitude?

From this point onwards, which is the reason I used the word "henceforth".  Again, I'm speaking only for myself.  If anyone feels differently about this and wants to aggressively pursue older examples of account sellers that didn't get tagged, they're free to do so.  I think it'd be a waste of time and energy, though.

[Lauda]

Are you going to revisit old account sellers, or, draw a line in the sand and adopt a "from this point on-wards" attitude?

From this point onwards, which is the reason I used the word "henceforth".  Again, I'm speaking only for myself.  If anyone feels differently about this and wants to aggressively pursue older examples of account sellers that didn't get tagged, they're free to do so.  I think it'd be a waste of time and energy, though.

Explicitly revisiting wouldn't make a lot of sense/be worth it; although you may encounter a thread or two every once in a while.

No one should be selling accounts in 2019 and should know that buyers & sellers of them have been getting tagged since 2016 and should be familiar with all the reasons that have been given as to why account sales hurt the forum.

This. There is no excuse for doing this anymore.

[TalkStar]

OK, the feedback left by Lauda and actmyname speaks louder than the discussion we've had here--henceforth, no exceptions to account sellers being negged will be made.  I'm not in total agreement with that, but I do understand the need for consistency and avoiding even the appearance of not playing favorites--even though I have no relationship with grtthegreat and didn't stand to gain or lose anything if I negged him.  My problem is that I can see both sides of the argument, and each side has valid points.  That's why I'm conflicted.

However, if this is the community standard that we're going to adopt I can live with that.  No one should be selling accounts in 2019 and should know that buyers & sellers of them have been getting tagged since 2016 and should be familiar with all the reasons that have been given as to why account sales hurt the forum.

My apologies for waffling on this, and I'm glad marlboroza made this thread so that we can all give our opinions.  I, for one, am thankful for everyone who chimed in.

Yeah just tagging can't be a solution to stop account buy sell on the forum. I am completely agree with you that  before tagging its always fair to think about the valid points of both sides. Maybe sometimes its not the original scenario what we see through open eyes. Every valid arguments have a proper reason behind it. I support the way you take decision to tag someone or not.

After all the valuable conversation here its pretty much clear that account buy sell ruins the fame of bitcointalk. Thats why everyone should work together to stop this. I beleive in the near future theymos will reconsider it   

[Zoel]

Hello  I just want to ask did i do anything wrong for giving me a red trust? This is just my opinion. I think its unfair for me after buying the account for the amount of 0.05 withouth any intention to harm or scam people here. With just one post asking for a loan that rejected you will give me a negative trust? Maybe it is acceptable if the lender who i ask for loan will give me a negative trust. But for others who gave me a red trust on my profile. Did i do something wrong to you? If asking a loan will just give you a negative trust then you should give also other user or newbie who are asking a loan a negative trust. Thank you.

[shasan]

Hello  I just want to ask did i do anything wrong for giving me a red trust? This is just my opinion. I think its unfair for me after buying the account for the amount of 0.05 withouth any intention to harm or scam people here. With just one post asking for a loan that rejected you will give me a negative trust? Maybe it is acceptable if the lender who i ask for loan will give me a negative trust. But for others who gave me a red trust on my profile. Did i do something wrong to you? If asking a loan will just give you a negative trust then you should give also other user or newbie who are asking a loan a negative trust. Thank you.

On all of your negative trust stands for defaulting loan and account trading. The account was used to take a loan and then default. After that, you bought the account and also you applied for a loan? Your negative trust stands for the previous scam which already proved. No one will justify either you bought the account or not and if you can prove that you bought the account then that will not be on your favor. Because account trading encourages scamming.

[Avirunes]

Hello  I just want to ask did i do anything wrong for giving me a red trust? This is just my opinion. I think its unfair for me after buying the account for the amount of 0.05 withouth any intention to harm or scam people here. With just one post asking for a loan that rejected you will give me a negative trust? Maybe it is acceptable if the lender who i ask for loan will give me a negative trust. But for others who gave me a red trust on my profile. Did i do something wrong to you? If asking a loan will just give you a negative trust then you should give also other user or newbie who are asking a loan a negative trust. Thank you.

Rating is correct at every point they made in their feedbacks. You should have known before buying that account trading is something that is frowned upon in this forum. By buying account you are encouraging such activities and thereby every feedback left on you by DT's are accurate.

[Zoel]

Then if you think account trading encourages scamming then in the first place you shouldn't allow that.

[Avirunes]

Then if you think account trading encourages scamming then in the first place you shouldn't allow that.

How would you implement that? I don't think there is a way.

Moreover people still continues to trade accounts over chat messaging apps and groups or within friends which is beyond investigators radar.

Also such questions doesn't gives you any relief in your case. The loss you incurred from the DT's action is all because of your mistake.