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February 07, 2019, 07:42:10 PM
Last edit: March 02, 2019, 05:34:19 PM by ICOEthics Merited by tvplus006 (1), bubbalex (1) |
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February 07, 2019, 07:44:04 PM |
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What happened: FAKE TEAM members AND PLAGIARISM found on their Whitepaper.
Profile Link: They are not listed on this forum yet. If you see their post/thread please let us know. I found this profile on their website https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2538625 |
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ICOEthics (OP)
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February 07, 2019, 07:47:34 PM |
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That was fast. Thank you. |
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February 09, 2019, 12:40:46 PM |
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Hugo Weaving? Sorry for off-top, just for fun  It doesn't look like Hugo Weaving and it's not him. Judging by how they assembled the rest of their team together (taking the identities of random people and putting them in a team). It's safe to presume that Richard Reinert is yet another victim. Here's his real LinkedIn profile and the fake one. Bonus - his twitter account. Off-topic, I'm getting Bowie vibes out the image in the real LinkedIn profile.  |
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February 25, 2019, 07:29:05 PM |
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Hi there, I see there have been some doubts about our legitimacy. We have started a project thread, you can come over and ask us anything, we will be glad to answer your questions. In regards to the claims in this thread ---> Fake team: At the time we hadn't publicly launched yet so, yes, our site contained some placeholder pictures and names. The ones who had real people behind them are the already on-boarded team members. Richard Reinert is a well-known guy in the London finance scene and you can watch an interview with him on our website. As for Martins Paegle - he is both on our and AsicVault team. Since we are fully launched, all the team members and advisors are visible on the website. Plagiarism: We talked to the copywriter. The white paper was constantly being polished for the launch, therefore, the copywriter put a placeholder text of the same idea just to work on it later. We talked about that with him, said it wasn't a good thing to do. Currently, we have checked the white paper with Grammarly and it shows that our copywriter has corrected himself. You might ask why are we approaching potential advisors with an unfinished, unpolished website and the answer is simple - to save a bit of time by doing these two things simultaneously. We may have made a mistake with that one, but overall we have nothing to hide. Come on our thread and we will answer all your questions: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114243.new#new |
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bubbalex
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February 25, 2019, 08:03:18 PM Merited by Gatsby club (1) |
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Hi there, I see there have been some doubts about our legitimacy. We have started a project thread, you can come over and ask us anything, we will be glad to answer your questions. In regards to the claims in this thread ---> Fake team: At the time we hadn't publicly launched yet so, yes, our site contained some placeholder pictures and names. The ones who had real people behind them are the already on-boarded team members. Richard Reinert is a well-known guy in the London finance scene and you can watch an interview with him on our website. As for Martins Paegle - he is both on our and AsicVault team. Since we are fully launched, all the team members and advisors are visible on the website. Plagiarism: We talked to the copywriter. The white paper was constantly being polished for the launch, therefore, the copywriter put a placeholder text of the same idea just to work on it later. We talked about that with him, said it wasn't a good thing to do. Currently, we have checked the white paper with Grammarly and it shows that our copywriter has corrected himself. You might ask why are we approaching potential advisors with an unfinished, unpolished website and the answer is simple - to save a bit of time by doing these two things simultaneously. We may have made a mistake with that one, but overall we have nothing to hide. Come on our thread and we will answer all your questions: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114243.new#new It's so unfunny that I can use my previous messages to reply. ~
We have seen hundreds of examples, when the team began to defend itself after the accusations, can we just believe to their words? If I launch a scam tomorrow and answer all the accusations - the site was made at an outsourcing, WP too, the fake team is a stock photo from a template for the site and now I’ll fix everything, we’re not scam, but I will not give you any proof. How do you see it? This is of course extremely convenient - you were accused of scam - you will fix everything and there will be no evidence left. In any case, if you are so keen on development, you should have hired an experienced person, it is really difficult to invest money in a project that makes such mistakes, this is not professional, in the current market it is almost impossible to succeed in raising funds, especially after such accusations.
~ Is it worth it to create a topic with quotes from all teams that told tales that team on website was in test mode, but online, although this is absolutely not the case and they are just scam. Another Scam ICO trying to steal people's money. Is there really a school of sample answers to scam accusations somewhere? Because it seems like all scam projects are learning in it  AsicVault scam accusations - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4800954AsicVault thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2706485Launched by - cuteman ( This user recently woke up from a long period of inactivity.) Archived - https://archive.is/3NiU0AsicVault Website - https://asicvault.io/Archived 10 months ago - https://archive.is/tJOKiArchived Today, in case they made changes, I didn't checked whole website - https://archive.fo/506J1Windhaenergy new ANN - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114243Archived - https://archive.is/8YQvn |
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February 26, 2019, 05:01:04 AM |
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So,you trying to be a inspector here,who knows everything and other people can just listen to you.Just checked there website,looks great.Obviusly ,people do mistakes and learn from it.
You are advertising your bounty campaign here and wants to sell your services to ICOs or STOs,but do you know thoses teams or projects,absolutly no. Just who will pay for your services,you can sing a romantic song for that company.
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bubbalex
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February 26, 2019, 07:00:28 AM
Last edit: February 26, 2019, 07:25:41 AM by bubbalex |
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So,you trying to be a inspector here,who knows everything and other people can just listen to you.Just checked there website,looks great.Obviusly ,people do mistakes and learn from it.
You are advertising your bounty campaign here and wants to sell your services to ICOs or STOs,but do you know thoses teams or projects,absolutly no. Just who will pay for your services,you can sing a romantic song for that company.
Your account created today, I sure you part of windhaenergy project, I'm not promoting myself here, we not talking about my services here, your project was exposed by ICOEthics, great design of website doesn't prove that you not scam. Fake team, plagiarism in wp, you can't ignore this. And all projects I working with are trusted, you can check, recently one scam tried to order my services, they was exposed by me. All scams who can't answer to accusations start trying to accusate people, which exposed this scam, but it will not help you. Also, your account was created today and only to protect this scam, you know who doing like that? - Scams, real projects answered here with good proofs and solve their problems with reputation, not blame others. We not inspectors, you seen here proofs? I seen, but not from windhaenergy |
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February 26, 2019, 09:27:41 AM |
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I am the supporter of windhan energy and invest money in there project.You are the first who blame people,without any reason ,if you are not promoting your Bounty management schemes,stop writing or promoting your banners.You guys are talking about my account,yes i created in 1 day,to give you the appropriate answers.One sided conversation is not good,so thats why i jump in.
To blame others and teach others,better look at yourself.
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bubbalex
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February 26, 2019, 10:17:37 AM |
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I am the supporter of windhan energy and invest money in there project.You are the first who blame people,without any reason ,if you are not promoting your Bounty management schemes,stop writing or promoting your banners.You guys are talking about my account,yes i created in 1 day,to give you the appropriate answers.One sided conversation is not good,so thats why i jump in.
To blame others and teach others,better look at yourself.
How about to check first message of this thread from ICOEthics? Or it's more convenient for you to take attention to me because you have nothing to answer on accusations? Don't teach me where I should write or not. |
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February 26, 2019, 10:59:03 AM |
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I have checked all, dont teach me as well.Just mind your business.It is really sad,no body contact you for Bounty yet.....With respect.
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ICOEthics (OP)
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February 28, 2019, 12:15:28 AM
Last edit: February 28, 2019, 01:14:42 AM by ICOEthics |
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PM SENT TO US TODAY:Hello ICOEthics, We have seen the thread you made about the possibility of our project not being real. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107372.0Also, we just noticed that you messaged us about this back on the 7th of February. Sorry to not have replied sooner, we simply weren't active here and no one was assigned to our social platforms yet. This thread was started when we had not even launched the project. The Developers were using sample images while we were acquiring original photos of our team members, as well as the Copywriter we hired did an unprofessional thing that we noticed only later - he used plagiarised text as a placeholder for original text. Since then we have corrected mistakes, resolved issues, talked to the copywriter and double checked his work with Grammarly Plagiarism Checker, polished things and launched the project. Here are our legal documents, including a building permit and the power purchase document with the government of Kazakhstan. (link removed) It is important for people to trust and verify the projects that they invest their money in. Therefore we would like to prove trustworthy and resolve the thread. This project has nothing to hide, so please let us know how can we move forward and if you have any questions regarding our legitimacy. Regards, Windhan Energy ICO Team Hello Team, ...This thread was started when we had not even launched the project...
There is not such a thing - Once you make your website live, it is considered launched. When this thread was created, you already had your website working and running, including already asking for investor's money - see archive file on the first post of this thread. ...You might ask why are we approaching potential advisors with an unfinished, unpolished website and the answer is simple - to save a bit of time by doing these two things simultaneously.
We are not asking why are you approaching potential advisors, but why you approached potential investors with fake team members and plagiarized whitepaper.  other sources:  ...Fake team: At the time we hadn't publicly launched yet so, yes, our site contained some placeholder pictures and names...
...Copywriter we hired did an unprofessional thing that we noticed only later...
You can blame other people if you want, instead of blaming yourself - this is the typical response we received most of the time. An honest business will take responsibility instead of blaming someone. In your case, you hired the copywriter, so it is your responsibility to check everything before asking for money from investors. And by the way, we are the ones who informed you about the plagiarized whitepaper. What happened to this profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-reinert-957a4a17a/...Richard Reinert is a well-known guy in the London finance scene and you can watch an interview with him on our website...
We saw the interview. Which project is he talking about? Did he mention this project? ...Here are our legal documents...
Please feel free to post the documents here. ...This project has nothing to hide, so please let us know how can we move forward...
We are not preventing you from moving forward, we are not calling you a scam/scammer. We made our accusation based on what was found. You can fix it, replace it, re-write it, but it is up to investors now to decide if they want to invest in your project. We have seen many projects accused of the same problems, they give the typical explanation/excuse like your responses, and they ended as a scam. And we have a few hundred on our list, go take a look if you wish. The best we can recommend to you is to make a video of your team, including Mr Richard Reinert saying that he is a team member(CEO) of this project.
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bubbalex
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February 28, 2019, 09:29:56 AM
Last edit: February 28, 2019, 11:11:02 AM by bubbalex |
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It's so strange, they tried to hire me today, after all messages I wrote here about that they are scam, I'm not here to promote myself and protect scams for money, I really hate scams. Even if it's not scam, I don't want to be involved in any accusations. You are unprofessional at least.
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February 28, 2019, 07:25:46 PM |
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@ICOEthics, they sent me exactly the same PM. I'm not even responding to it. Anything they want to ask me they can do in this thread.
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ICOEthics (OP)
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March 02, 2019, 05:23:05 PM |
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Hello again, Meet the Windhan Teamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11xLrlZwJzQ&feature=youtu.be~ Final Thoughts1. We are not blaming anyone, just explaining how our mistake happened. 2. We weren't approaching potential investors with an unfinished website and whitepaper, just advisors. 3. There is a difference between a project launch and a website launch. If you read our message again, we specifically said "we had not even launched the project" 4. Mistakes are not unprofessional, they are a part of the process. Best regards, Windhan Team Hello Team, Thank you for providing documents and especially for making the video of your team - this is something that we dont see often, a project willing to make video of their team. We accept as valid evidence and we changed this title of this thread "Resolved without any issues". |
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March 02, 2019, 05:26:19 PM |
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Hello again, Meet the Windhan Teamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11xLrlZwJzQ&feature=youtu.be~ Final Thoughts1. We are not blaming anyone, just explaining how our mistake happened. 2. We weren't approaching potential investors with an unfinished website and whitepaper, just advisors. 3. There is a difference between a project launch and a website launch. If you read our message again, we specifically said "we had not even launched the project" 4. Mistakes are not unprofessional, they are a part of the process. Best regards, Windhan Team Hello Team, Thank you for providing documents and especially for making the video of your team - this is something that we dont see often, a project willing to make video of their team. We accept as valid evidence and we changed the subject headlines to Resolved without any issues. Have the documents been verified or translated? |
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March 02, 2019, 05:32:26 PM
Last edit: March 03, 2019, 12:14:32 AM by ICOEthics |
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Have the documents been verified or translated?
We didnt ask them to provide any documents, just the video, and the fact that they did in a very short time and provided extra documents (as we dont see this often ), we accepted as valid evidence of the real team. For this reason, this case is resolved and this thread will be locked. edited --> Thread re-opened because the team requested in case there are questions. |
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bubbalex
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March 04, 2019, 06:32:11 PM |
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Have the documents been verified or translated?
Looks like real, it's Russian and Kazakh languages. I guess team from Kazakhstan. Good that they solved issue. I removed my negative feedback after ICOEthics notification. |
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