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February 07, 2019, 10:20:28 PM
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I choose Reputation instead of Meta so I can make this topic self-moderated. And I think forum politics fits here better.

Background
A month ago:
is there a way to see one's eligibility? Like how many 10-merit users are including the user?
I may make a rankup list someday

Two weeks ago, I created LoyceV's Trust list viewer in Meta.

It took me until now to tackle this:
I have 4 updates planned
2. I'd like to highlight users who are close to DT1, say with 8 or 9 out of 10 inclusions



DT1 Rank up pipeline
See loyce.club/trust/ranking for the list.




Criteria (green is included by me, red is ignored):
- If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
- You must have been online sometime within the last 3 days.
- Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.
- You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection.
- You must have posted sometime within the last 30 days.
- You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.
- You must have at least 2 people directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 250, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.

Sorting
I've made some more or less arbitrary choices for sorting, depending on the number of votes from users with 250+ or 10+ Merit.

Limitation
I have included all users that fit all criteria but lack the required number of inclusions. That means a user with only 1 inclusion is listed.
However, I did not include users who don't have enough (=10) users on their own Trust list. It is possible some users with enough inclusions only need to add one or more users to their own list, and they'll end up on DT1 out of the blue.
That means this list can't be used to detect all new DT1 users early.

DT1-exclusions
I ignore DT1-exclusions, as that happens after the DT1-election. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview for the current exclusions.

Updates
I plan to create weekly updates, overwriting old data.

Boring layout
I'm not much of a designer, but I'm open to suggestions.
I would especially appreciate some magic CSS code tables to align the list.

No spam
Other than that: speculate away Cheesy

Disclaimer
I haven't throughly checked all entries, it took a lot of fiddling to get it right, and chances are I made one or more mistakes along the way. If something is wrong, please post it.
I expected the list to be much longer for example, so I may have missed something there.

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February 07, 2019, 10:49:18 PM
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Can you explain your sorting process? It's obviously initially ordered by number of 250+ votes, but then not by number of 10+ votes? With a separate section for users with less than 10 votes overall, and then another separate section for users with no 250+ votes?

I think maybe an easier way would be to list current DT1 members separately, and then all others in a different table by number of 250+ votes?

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February 07, 2019, 11:03:48 PM
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Can you explain your sorting process? It's obviously initially ordered by number of 250+ votes, but then not by number of 10+ votes? With a separate section for users with less than 10 votes overall, and then another separate section for users with no 250+ votes?
I used this:
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ranking 2 2 10
ranking 2 1 10
ranking 2 2 9
ranking 2 1 9
ranking 2 2 8
ranking 2 1 8
ranking 1 1 10
ranking 2 2 7
ranking 2 1 7
ranking 1 1 9
ranking 2 2 6
ranking 2 1 6
ranking 1 1 8
ranking 2 2 5
ranking 2 1 5
ranking 1 1 7
ranking 2 2 4
ranking 2 1 4
ranking 1 1 6
ranking 2 2 3
ranking 2 1 3
ranking 1 1 5
ranking 2 2 2
ranking 2 1 2
ranking 1 1 4
ranking 2 1 1
ranking 1 1 3
ranking 1 1 2
ranking 1 1 1
ranking 1 0 1
First digit: users who are included by users with 250+ (in case there is a "2") or 10+ (in case there is a "1") Merit, and show the largest numbers first
Second digit: minimum number of users in the category choosen above
Third digit: minimum number of inclusions in total
So, "ranking 2 2 10" means: start with all users with 2 or more inclusions from users with 250+ Merit, and at least 10 inclusions in total.
My idea was to make 1 inclusion from 250+ show up slightly higher than someone with 1 inclusion from 10+. And this is the part in which I made it difficult for myself.

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I think maybe an easier way would be to list current DT1 members separately, and then all others in a different table by number of 250+ votes?
I'm not touching my code for a while, there were too many problems (all created by myself) Tongue

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February 07, 2019, 11:21:37 PM
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Thanks, that actually makes it easier to navigate knowing the logic behind the sorting.

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Thank you for a convenient tool to view the requirements for getting into the DT1 list. Now it became easy for users to understand what they lack for getting into DT1. I added information about your work in Russian locale.

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February 09, 2019, 08:38:32 AM
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I've updated loyce.club/trust/ranking with this morning's trust data dump.

It's a complete coincidence that I'm now on top of the list Cheesy I didn't design it for that Tongue
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1. LoyceV (1848 Merit earned) is included by 51 users with 250+ earned Merit and 39 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

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February 09, 2019, 01:56:18 PM
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People with less than 250 merit don't like me.  Cry

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86. bones261 (321 Merit earned) is included by 8 users with 250+ earned Merit and 0 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

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It's a complete coincidence that I'm now on top of the list Cheesy I didn't design it for that Tongue

Yeah right Roll Eyes

Seriously though, the "not including merit you yourself sent" rule - or rather you ignoring it - is skewing things a lot, at least for me. According to DdmrDdmr's thingy I have 42 250-votes, not 49.

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February 09, 2019, 05:16:12 PM
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People with less than 250 merit don't like me.  Cry

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86. bones261 (321 Merit earned) is included by 8 users with 250+ earned Merit and 0 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
Usually, this shouldn't be a problem. I have also only 1 user with less than 250 Merit who likes me.  Wink

A vote of 250 Merit is equal to 25 votes of 10 Merit and it doesn't reflect in the table from LoyceV.

- You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.
- You must have at least 2 people directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 250, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.

As theymos said before, the votes will be determined how useful they are for someone.

And in a few years, the DT1-election: Rank up pipeline will consist of many users with 250+ earned Merit because in most cases there are much more merited users setting up a custom trust list than new users. Or let's say some former users of the 10 - 249 earned Merit part will be users of 250+ earned Merit in long-term.

@LoyceV do you know if there is a way to know which votes actually count? According to theymos only some votes count (based on earned Merit)

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Seriously though, the "not including merit you yourself sent" rule - or rather you ignoring it - is skewing things a lot, at least for me. According to DdmrDdmr's thingy I have 42 250-votes, not 49.
That is a large difference, guess I'll have to adjust for it. That's going to give interesting results, it can mean a user has more than 250 Merit voting power for one user, and less than 250 for another.

A vote of 250 Merit is equal to 25 votes of 10 Merit and it doesn't reflect in the table from LoyceV.
From what I understand, I think one user with 250 Merit can use one vote for one user as 250 Merit voter, and 25 votes for 25 different users as 10 Merit voter (so 26 votes in total). There are indeed a few users who have enough 250-votes, but not enough 10-votes to reach a total of 10, but in most cases they lack 250 Merit votes.

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@LoyceV do you know if there is a way to know which votes actually count? According to theymos only some votes count (based on earned Merit)
There's this:
Each user's number of "votes" in the last two criteria will be limited to floor(earned_merit / (10 or 250, depending on the criteria)). If you trust more people than your limit, then you will vote for the people to whom your vote will be the most useful, more-or-less.
My interpretation:
Suppose you're including A, B and C, but you have only one vote. Now suppose other users also included user A, and user A has enough votes to be DT1 already. Now suppose user B isn't included by enough users to reach DT1. That means your vote would be wasted on user B, so it goes to user C, who then gets included.

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Ok, thanks for your clarification.

There are indeed a few users who have enough 250-votes, but not enough 10-votes to reach a total of 10, but in most cases they lack 250 Merit votes.
Yes, makes sense. A single 250-Merit vote can be splitted in multiple 10-Merit votes but not for the same person. At first, I thought if someone has earned 260 Merit and includes someone in his trust list he should be able to vote one time 250 Merit and one time 10 merit.
But it looks like it isn't calculated this way, otherwise everyone would have at least the same number of 10-Merit votes as he has 250-Merit votes, so I assume every account can only vote one time for another account either it's 250 Merit or 10 Merit.

For example, I have 5 users 250 Merit+ but only 4 users 10-249 Merit.
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But it looks like it isn't calculated this way, otherwise everyone would have at least the same number of 10-Merit votes as he has 250-Merit votes, so I assume every account can only vote one time for another account either it's 250 Merit or 10 Merit.
I assumed theymos used some overlap: you must be trusted by 10 users with 10+ Merit, and 2 users with 250+ Merit. If you're trusted by 8 users with exactly 10 Merit, and 2 users with exactly 250 Merit, you're also trusted by 10 users with 10+ Merit, so that should be enough.

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I find it quite interesting that many users have 2+ 250-merit votes but not nearly enough 10-merit votes. I would have expected the opposite.

From #70 and up all seem to have enough of both types of votes.

These ones seem to have enough 10-merit votes but need 250-merit votes (8 users):

71. Goran_ (353 Merit earned) is included by 1 users with 250+ earned Merit and 14 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

73. hybridsole (141 Merit earned) is included by 1 users with 250+ earned Merit and 13 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

75. ezeminer (80 Merit earned) is included by 1 users with 250+ earned Merit and 11 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

164. CanaryInTheMine (4 Merit earned) is included by 0 users with 250+ earned Merit and 14 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
165. MaoChao (27 Merit earned) is included by 0 users with 250+ earned Merit and 11 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
166. BG4 (11 Merit earned) is included by 0 users with 250+ earned Merit and 11 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
167. teeGUMES (149 Merit earned) is included by 0 users with 250+ earned Merit and 10 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
168. klarki (74 Merit earned) is included by 0 users with 250+ earned Merit and 10 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

Below are the ones who seem to have enough 250-merit votes but need 10-merit votes (36 users):

77. Gunthar (77 Merit earned) is included by 6 users with 250+ earned Merit and 3 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
78. 1miau (352 Merit earned) is included by 5 users with 250+ earned Merit and 4 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
79. DdmrDdmr (1693 Merit earned) is included by 4 users with 250+ earned Merit and 5 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
80. Last of the V8s (1302 Merit earned) is included by 4 users with 250+ earned Merit and 5 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
81. MadZ (144 Merit earned) is included by 3 users with 250+ earned Merit and 6 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
82. SFR10 (189 Merit earned) is included by 3 users with 250+ earned Merit and 6 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
83. Rmcdermott927 (11 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 7 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

86. bones261 (321 Merit earned) is included by 8 users with 250+ earned Merit and 0 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
87. Foxpup (312 Merit earned) is included by 6 users with 250+ earned Merit and 2 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
88. dbshck (146 Merit earned) is included by 5 users with 250+ earned Merit and 3 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
89. eddie13 (353 Merit earned) is included by 4 users with 250+ earned Merit and 4 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
90. Piggy (884 Merit earned) is included by 3 users with 250+ earned Merit and 5 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
91. redsn0w (24 Merit earned) is included by 3 users with 250+ earned Merit and 5 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
92. babo (97 Merit earned) is included by 3 users with 250+ earned Merit and 5 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
93. Micio (191 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 6 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
94. anonymousminer (205 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 6 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
95. arulbero (278 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 6 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

97. bL4nkcode (121 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 6 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

100. morvillz7z (357 Merit earned) is included by 5 users with 250+ earned Merit and 2 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
101. Anduck (28 Merit earned) is included by 3 users with 250+ earned Merit and 4 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

107. JayJuanGee (561 Merit earned) is included by 5 users with 250+ earned Merit and 1 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
108. Flying Hellfish (410 Merit earned) is included by 5 users with 250+ earned Merit and 1 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
109. micgoossens (1407 Merit earned) is included by 3 users with 250+ earned Merit and 3 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

111. whywefight (22 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 4 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
112. duesoldi (169 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 4 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

118. Avirunes (110 Merit earned) is included by 3 users with 250+ earned Merit and 2 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
119. HagssFIN (285 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 3 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

124. nutildah (264 Merit earned) is included by 3 users with 250+ earned Merit and 1 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
125. allinvain (52 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 2 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
126. mikeywith (373 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 2 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

132. HCP (584 Merit earned) is included by 3 users with 250+ earned Merit and 0 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
133. bitpop (45 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 1 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
134. klaaas (14 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 1 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
135. Fakhoury (23 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 1 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

137. Isildur (official) (23 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 1 users with 10-249 earned Merit.
138. Slow death (144 Merit earned) is included by 2 users with 250+ earned Merit and 1 users with 10-249 earned Merit.

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I find it quite interesting that many users have 2+ 250-merit votes but not nearly enough 10-merit votes. I would have expected the opposite.

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Below are the ones who seem to have enough 250-merit votes but need 10-merit votes (36 users):

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86. bones261 (321 Merit earned) is included by 8 users with 250+ earned Merit and 0 users with 10-249 earned Merit.


Meh, when it comes to people with less that 250 merits:




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i think some of those 250 merit people count towards your 10 merit , so you are actually a few clicks away from entering the worst part of DT drama, i don't know about you but if i was ever put on DT1 list i will probably reduce my trust list to 9 to get off DT1, being on DT2 is already enough stress and drama and i can only imagine that it gets worse when not only your feedback counts but your trust list too.


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i think some of those 250 merit people count towards your 10 merit , so you are actually a few clicks away from entering the worst part of DT drama, i don't know about you but if i was ever put on DT1 list i will probably reduce my trust list to 9 to get off DT1, being on DT2 is already enough stress and drama and i can only imagine that it gets worse when not only your feedback counts but your trust list too.




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Y U DOX ME AGAIN?!

On the bright side - I seem to have lost weight.

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On the bright side - I seem to have lost weight.

still can't afford a pair of jeans tho. gotta be the boss to wear leather.

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Let's face it some of them are far too young

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How come my self-moderated topics go off-topic all the time? Cheesy

Y U DOX ME AGAIN?!
Now I can't delete that, theymos would highlight that I deleted a post with 1 earned Merit.


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