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February 08, 2019, 11:53:11 AM
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Hi,

During my time in the forum, not too long compared to so many of you here.
I found that there are some scam projects, ended with totally deleting all contents of the OPs, changing OPs' orginal contents into joke/ troll ones, and locking OPs.
Some examples:
Qabio project
Ghost project

It sounds like a dumb idea because I known that:
- Admin, mods, staffs likely have priviledges to trace back history of users' post history which other normal users don't have.
- Disabling the edit rigths of OP is a dumb idea too. However, it's a bit bittery for investors to see the OP of Qabio project turned into trolling like this (visit the link above to see how troll it is). I think that the forum should have some minor solutions for such cases.
- OPs' authors have rights to delete posts inside their topics. Consequently, it doesn't not make sense to quote the OP, because OP's authors are able to delete both OPs and OPs-quoted posts.

Let's raise your ideas and discuss about it.
Thank you for your time to join the topic.

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February 08, 2019, 12:04:39 PM
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I dont agree, services that wants to add/edit additional contents on their thread will have a hardtime showing their latest portfolio on possible customers.

My suggestion:
Have a feature on top-right corner of OP that says 'View Edit History'

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February 08, 2019, 12:15:27 PM
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- OPs' authors have rights to delete posts inside their topics. Consequently, it doesn't not make sense to quote the OP, because OP's authors are able to delete both OPs and OPs-quoted posts.
This is only true if the thread is "self-moderated" like GhostProject from your link.
A message like this will be displayed on top of the thread if it is self-moderated:
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This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (# posts by # users deleted.)

If you see an [ANN] or thread from Services Forum that is self-moderated without a proper reason, raise a red flag.
BTW, scams aren't moderated, the DT handles those.
19. Possible (or real) scams and Trust ratings are not moderated (to prevent moderation abuse).

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February 08, 2019, 12:21:46 PM
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Got it, thank you nc50lc.
This is only true if the thread is "self-moderated" like GhostProject from your link.
A message like this will be displayed on top of the thread if it is self-moderated:
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This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (# posts by # users deleted.)

From now on, I will pay attention on the free signal.
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If you see an [ANN] or thread from Services Forum that is self-moderated without a proper reason, raise a red flag.
BTW, scams aren't moderated, the DT handles those.
Anyway, I have still thought the forum should have solutions for this to stop OPs' author edit by deleting the original OPs to almost white-pages.

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February 08, 2019, 12:26:46 PM
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It is a good suggestion.
I read somewhere else that admin, and forum staffs or moderators have rights to check deeper in post history even it was deleted.
Have a feature on top-right corner of OP that says 'View Edit History'

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February 08, 2019, 12:37:36 PM
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If theymos proposed Minor selfmod enhancement on how many post has been deleted on the self-moderation topic. I guess proposing what's been updated/edited on a non self-moderated topics should be available too or "View edit history" just like is proposed by Crypto-DesignService, fair enough but I guess it needs much work for the admin to do.


Anyway, I have still thought the forum should have solutions for this to stop OPs' author edit by deleting the original OPs to almost white-pages.

I guess it isn't doable to stop edit option on every started topics, even it will be implemented on a specific board that will likely have huge effect if the OP just miss something or will add a new text or image. That is not nice at all!

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February 08, 2019, 02:18:09 PM
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You are wrong regarding the Qabio project. The first post was changed but it is not a self-moderated thread so the OP can't delete any posts he doesn't like from other members. He can only report posts to mods and mods can delete them if they break any of the forum rules.

About your suggestion to restrict OPs from editing their opening post I don't see how that will work. New information is often added on the first post. People keep lists that they edit, add new names, remove old ones etc. ANN threads often get changed and edited with new partnerships, graphics, news and other updates. The OP can find typos, grammatical errors that he would need to correct and all that would not be possible if OP has no option to edit his thread.

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February 08, 2019, 02:53:15 PM
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As Pmalek stated, OPs should be editable.
There are lots of things need to be updated in OPs, over time, so it would go crazy if OPs will not allow editing.

Scanning all above ideas, I thought that the likely best solution for the issue is "View Edit history".
Nevertheless, I thought that the one is un-realistic, and might put a huge pressure on both the forum's database, and mods.
Hence, I don't think that theymos will do it - "View Edit History".

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February 08, 2019, 03:32:55 PM
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If you feel some one may do this in the future, simply quote their OP for reference.

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February 08, 2019, 06:13:16 PM
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I can't imagine how it will work if the OP can't delete his/her started thread without disabling the edit option, I think it's impossible to apply your suggestion to the forum.

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February 09, 2019, 03:33:48 PM
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I will not work for self-moderated ANN topics.
If you feel some one may do this in the future, simply quote their OP for reference.

Right!
OPs should be editable.
Eveyone need to edit their original posts, including OPs, for supplementary information or correct typos, mistakes, etc.
Therefore, View Edit History might help and might be the only solution.
I guess this is one of the main reasons why theymos added Edited information recent weeks.
But, I think we need a bit more than that, to view full historical posts, especially OPs.
I can't imagine how it will work if the OP can't delete his/her started thread without disabling the edit option, I think it's impossible to apply your suggestion to the forum.

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February 09, 2019, 04:34:53 PM
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Therefore, View Edit History might help and might be the only solution.
Yeah, I also think so. If it can be applied to the forum, I'll recommend it to open in new tab. So, all members can view full edit history from the OP (include opening post/thread).

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February 10, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
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It is a dumb idea, indeed.
Why?
This is why:

1. The forum is not only operating for ICOs/Bounties/ANNs or any other kind of scams that people might come up with. So disabling the feature of editing the OP is totally a bad idea to prevent scams.

2. Not is the forum, nor are the admins/mods responsible for any scams that happen in here. Investors are responsible themselves for getting scammed, since it is their money and it is their duty to first investigate a project and then invest in it. Other than that, we have DT to deal with scams/scammers. So a person dealing with anyone, taking part in anything should first see the trust/reputation of the starter of that thing.

3. A person can only delete the posts in his thread if the thread is self-moderated. So in order to prevent your proofs from getting vanished, it is better to archive them using this website, instead of quoting them which can be deleted if the thread is self-moderated, or the OP can be edited later on. You can use the archived link as a proof later on against the scam/scammer.

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February 10, 2019, 06:32:11 PM
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Why affect everyone when you can just archive the whole thread of the project? Just copying the url of the page and pasting it on archive.is will solve the trick. I like your idea on preventing scam projects erasing their tracks but your way would only affect everyone including OPs who just made mistakes on their post or who just simply want to update their post. At least just by archiving it, you get yourself a permanent copy you can show to everyone which no one can edit.

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February 11, 2019, 02:37:26 AM
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Editing system for OP is a basic tool IMO. By the help of it OP can fix unwanted mistakes. Update info which relates with the thread can be added by using this feature.

"View edit history" i don't think so that its gonna make any difference. Current editing is good enough to continue.



 

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February 11, 2019, 02:53:00 AM
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So far, I think the best solution is using archive.
Whenever investors or users doubt that projects are highly potential scam ones, simply using archive to store their original OPs, and whatever posts need to store for later investigation.

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So far, I think the best solution is using archive.
Whenever investors or users doubt that projects are highly potential scam ones, simply using the archive to store their original OPs, and whatever posts need to store for later investigation.
Using archive to store the opening thread is good too. But, IMO this way has some weakness. For example, if OP deletes or edits the opening thread before someone archived that thread then everyone can't see the opening thread anymore.

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February 11, 2019, 03:33:08 AM
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If there are something serious happens with one specific project, who already archived it can easily post link to archive to show others original OP.
It is obviously that it depends upon others, if you don't archive it yourself.
I don't think everyone have demand to see archives, just small part of forum users need it sometimes.

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February 11, 2019, 08:51:20 PM
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So far, I think the best solution is using archive.
Whenever investors or users doubt that projects are highly potential scam ones, simply using archive to store their original OPs, and whatever posts need to store for later investigation.
Restriction to edit OP sounds bad, no offence. So, archiving topics looks like a best solution, though it's not perfect. Someone would have to make archives of all topics of projects. It's big manual work, who are going to do that? We would need some volunters who will actively watch announcement board and make archive when new thread was published. I don't know, maybe there are some ways to make this work automated.

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February 11, 2019, 09:34:07 PM
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I don't know why you want the forum to disable the "edit post" feature!
If you think that by editing the ANN thread the thread poster can't be accused then you are wrong since deleting the whole thread will be the strongest evidence against him.
Users edit their posts not only to add updates or fix some typos, they also edit it because they don't want other members be able to see what they posted. It is possible to mistakenly post sensitive data (a private key...) or wrong information that may mislead the reader... Hence I don't agree with making it possible to view the original post.

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