🎲 NitrogenSports.eu / BetBit.com - NO SENSE of Responsible Gambling! 🎲

[slaman29]

OP, I think if you want to pick a fight with casinos because they wouldn't be able to enforce self-exclusion properly it's a lost cause. Of course casinos can't do it if they don't enforce KYC, and that is even not perfect if done online. In the physical casinos you can use fake IDs, and online you can do the same, and still gamblers can deposit and gamble and lose without doing kyc (kyc usually happens at withdraw).

It's impossible to put the responsibility on casinos, they can only do so much. It should be enough that if a player asks, they do their best to enforce it.

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[jrrsparkles]

Most of the gamblers have chosen online crypto gambling for the convenience and anonymity so asking them such information may be inconvenient to some of their clinets so they have given full freedom to everyone in this gambling world so if you want to be responsible then you need to do that.

[Get-Paid.com]

It is why we need self-control to prevent from playing gambling every day or make a new account when we want to play gambling.

Wrong.

If you somebody wants to gamble again sir they will always find a way,those 2 arent the only sportsbooks in the world

If the self exclude themselfs and want to bet again thats a serious problem

Wrong again.

Compulsive gamblers cannot stop simply with "Self Control", it doesn't work this way.
Compulsive gamblers can stop only if they arrest their addiction, and by that it means to self-exclude, hand over the control over cash to someone else, or use any means whatsoever to stop gambling.

Nitrogen Sports is not offering the self-exclusion feature out of good heart, they do it for business reasons, to show that they have some sense of responsible gambling - but unfortunately with the way they operate it's absurd to offer a self-exclusion in this format.

An addict won't stop because his mind tells him to stop, an addict will stop because he cannot bet, the more barriers the better - if he has to exclude himself from 2000 sites so be it ... any website that doesn't respect it - is in fact violating a very basic moral code of conduct, and this type of behavior is immoral and unscrupulous.

You cannot justify this behavior, you can try to put the blame on the addict, but there are tons of many court cases in many countries worldwide where such code of conduct was proven to be penalized, and the gambling owners had to pay huge fines for such immoral actions.

Once again - this topic cannot be underestimated, as much as you want to blame the gamblers, the recent developments in the gambling industry are only going in the other direction, websites do need to be responsible or they can or will be held liable for their actions.

[Get-Paid.com]

OP, I think if you want to pick a fight with casinos because they wouldn't be able to enforce self-exclusion properly it's a lost cause. Of course casinos can't do it if they don't enforce KYC, and that is even not perfect if done online. In the physical casinos you can use fake IDs, and online you can do the same, and still gamblers can deposit and gamble and lose without doing kyc (kyc usually happens at withdraw).

A normal compulsive gambler won't use a fake ID to get through to the Casino, a normal person won't use a fake ID neither, in the UK carrying a fake ID is a criminal offense, you would be jailed for it, the police won't be easy on you with an offense like this.

KYC happens when you withdraw but a normal gambler won't deposit funds into a place where he knows would give him hard time to get a withdrawal processed.  Why would anyone do it? When there is no value to bet then no one would bet, including an addict, because an addict is still looking to get his withdrawals or else he would leave the place (which is a good thing).

It's impossible to put the responsibility on casinos, they can only do so much.

Casinos created the problem, so they have to take responsibility.
If there were no casinos - then there won't be a problem gambling.
You cannot separate between the two.

Tobacco companies are well regulated, Casinos are no different.

You can try to portray it differently as if the casinos are the poor ones here being heavily regulated, but one of the reasons Bitcoin is dropping in price is because investors understand that if it will be used for criminal offenses such as allowing underage gambling (and even worse terrible things) then no one would use it, it would only lose value.

Gambling websites which are Bitcoin based must meet a minimum criteria or risk themselves losing credibility, being sued or finding themselves in tons of other pickles ... it won't last forever what you guys are trying to claim.

[Get-Paid.com]

Most of the gamblers have chosen online crypto gambling for the convenience and anonymity so asking them such information may be inconvenient to some of their clinets so they have given full freedom to everyone in this gambling world so if you want to be responsible then you need to do that.

Pinnacle Sports is a very popular website that allows you to deposit/withdraw with Bitcoin but it does ask for some verification.

The convenient of Bitcoin can be perfectly used as much as you want, just get verified once and that's it, no one would bother you unless you ask for self-exclusion, which Pinnacle does perform and does offer perfectly fine, their model is more than okay, even betting agents such as AC88 require verification and use Bitcoin for deposits and withdrawals.

If you don't want to do KYC then it's like child pornography - what prevents children from being involved in it? This is just 1 basic question you can ask yourself among many.

[jrrsparkles]

If you don't want to do KYC then it's like child pornography - what prevents children from being involved in it? This is just 1 basic question you can ask yourself among many.

If Child pornography is against the rules then they will get some punishment if they get caught for that we can't blame the porn sites since they already ask for you a click box says you are over 18 or not.So its our responsibility to pick the true one,but do you think anyone will do that? SO they needs to be blamed.

Asking for verification is good thing but there are some people who don't like it that is why they have system like this.

[Get-Paid.com]

If you don't want to do KYC then it's like child pornography - what prevents children from being involved in it? This is just 1 basic question you can ask yourself among many.

If Child pornography is against the rules then they will get some punishment if they get caught for that we can't blame the porn sites since they already ask for you a click box says you are over 18 or not.So its our responsibility to pick the true one,but do you think anyone will do that? SO they needs to be blamed.

Asking for verification is good thing but there are some people who don't like it that is why they have system like this.

Whether you like verification or not it's up to you, before Bitcoin ever existed there was never any issue with not having KYC - the KYC is done for money laundering purposes - Nitrogen is based according to them in Costa Rica, but even Costa Rica is aligning itself with US demands for proper AML rules.

And the sense of responsibility (self-exclusion) is not only about Money Laundering but about playing fair - governments all over the world encourage it, you can ignore it if you wish but just don't be surprised of the consequences that will follow suit.

[acarli]

They are asking verification when the users wins big or asks big withdrawal, this is the problem with this sites. So if you are playing low then its ok.

Not true. Deposits at https://www.betbit.com are 100% instant. You can withdraw your winnings at any time with any amount with no human intervention.

[Natalim]

They are asking verification when the users wins big or asks big withdrawal, this is the problem with this sites. So if you are playing low then its ok.

Not true. Deposits at https://www.betbit.com are 100% instant. You can withdraw your winnings at any time with any amount with no human intervention.

I'm not really concern with the sites mentioned in terms of the KYC requirement because I don't bet big although I aim to win big.
Maybe by the time comes that I may win the jackpot and they'll ask me the verification, I might share my story here, or better yet, I start checking my account now and try to apply for verification, just in case I win, I would be prepare and there will no problem encounter.

Smooth withdrawal is what every gamblers are looking, so please give us that.

[boyptc]

Being addicted isn't the problem anymore of the casino's. They are just giving solution to the inconvenience of what their customers are experiencing and having a username and password only is their solution to those gamblers that doesn't like KYC.

[rodel caling]

So you are blaming gambling site because of the easiness of creating account and betting so people who want to stop gambling are affected? What a joke dude, if they want to stop then just stop no need to find other reason why they cant stop. Even worst you blame the gambling sites as the one that makes people unable to stop gambling.

I agree for these good explanation very simple and understandable, and i would like to remind those people how to be responsible gamblers being responsible gambler always set greed control.
Getting information from the individual to withdraw their winning prize specially if the amount of withdrawal is very hugable it's normal from the casino site get the information of the people to avoid money laundering case.

[Johnzky]

They are asking verification when the users wins big or asks big withdrawal, this is the problem with this sites. So if you are playing low then its ok.

Not true. Deposits at https://www.betbit.com are 100% instant. You can withdraw your winnings at any time with any amount with no human intervention.

I'm not really concern with the sites mentioned in terms of the KYC requirement because I don't bet big although I aim to win big.
Maybe by the time comes that I may win the jackpot and they'll ask me the verification, I might share my story here, or better yet, I start checking my account now and try to apply for verification, just in case I win, I would be prepare and there will no problem encounter.

Smooth withdrawal is what every gamblers are looking, so please give us that.

Thats the best phrase to use in behalf of gamblers

‘Smooth withdrawal is what every Gamblers are looking’

This is our money ,we risk and take a small chances of winning so in no other reason we must have the rights to demand a smoother one when times lf withdrawals and dont take this from us

[Joca97]

The websites NitrogenSports.eu and BetBit.com allow users to sign up without even providing their names, or date of birth, no verification required, and it's very easy to place bets anonymously with the use of Bitcoin.

The trouble is if someone wants to permanently self-exclude his/her account - the effectiveness of that self-exclusion is next to none!

Why?

Because a problem gambler can easily open a new account in 10 seconds, and then what effectiveness do these sites have towards those who want to stop?

When all you need is username and password - then having a self-exclusion feature in the site is good for nothing.

I think this has nothing to do with a sportsbook. Do you know how many sportsbook there is in the world ?

Any gambler can go to the next or next sportsbook and bet and bet over again. That is just simple addiction to gambling.

[stadus]

The websites NitrogenSports.eu and BetBit.com allow users to sign up without even providing their names, or date of birth, no verification required, and it's very easy to place bets anonymously with the use of Bitcoin.

The trouble is if someone wants to permanently self-exclude his/her account - the effectiveness of that self-exclusion is next to none!

Why?

Because a problem gambler can easily open a new account in 10 seconds, and then what effectiveness do these sites have towards those who want to stop?

When all you need is username and password - then having a self-exclusion feature in the site is good for nothing.

I think this has nothing to do with a sportsbook. Do you know how many sportsbook there is in the world ?

Any gambler can go to the next or next sportsbook and bet and bet over again. That is just simple addiction to gambling.

They are competing and the trend now is just sign up and play so if they will make their procedure hard for gambler then I believe
they will loss some of their potential client and I think that's alright with the gambler as it's the first time I see someone complaining about this matter.

[shoreno]

They are competing and the trend now is just sign up and play so if they will make their procedure hard for gambler then I believe
they will loss some of their potential client and I think that's alright with the gambler as it's the first time I see someone complaining about this matter.

its actually hassle to sign up just to play gambling . nowadays many sites are now automatic . you can get an instant username and password , you just gotta make sure that you save them if ever you want to make a deposit and keep this account permanent  .

Most of the gamblers have chosen online crypto gambling for the convenience and anonymity so asking them such information may be inconvenient to some of their clinets ~

yeah budd . crypto are anonymous and all of the service related to it must also be anonymous but if they requiring for sign ups , just dont put your real infos  .

[swogerino]

I don't know if they still do that but they have forbidden a few countries to participate in their games. That is not a good sign compared to other casinos, that is why I don't play there from a long time although they give you acces with a Vpn why would you block certain countries in the first place ? Replying to Op it is not any casino responsibility to educate the end user.

[avikz]

The websites NitrogenSports.eu and BetBit.com allow users to sign up without even providing their names, or date of birth, no verification required, and it's very easy to place bets anonymously with the use of Bitcoin.

What is the issue here?? A lot of other gambling websites do the same! Unless it is specifically required by the government authorities of their jurisdiction, why would a gambling website require such things? How come it is an issue of "responsible gambling"?

[Get-Paid.com]

The websites NitrogenSports.eu and BetBit.com allow users to sign up without even providing their names, or date of birth, no verification required, and it's very easy to place bets anonymously with the use of Bitcoin.

What is the issue here?? A lot of other gambling websites do the same! Unless it is specifically required by the government authorities of their jurisdiction, why would a gambling website require such things? How come it is an issue of "responsible gambling"?

If you are offering self-exclusion then at least offer it properly.
There is no such a thing as "responsible gambling" and when a gambler is asking a Casino to quit and make him stop betting then usually the Casino is obliged to adhere to such requests, or face lawsuits for allowing the gambler to continue his "losing streak".

This is not so simple and straightforward as you're trying to portray from a legal standpoint - there have been thousands of cases where gambling establishments were sued for such activities.

[acarli]

Excellent feedback. We are working on this as I write this. These new measures will hopefully be done shortly. We have recently found some exploits on our platform that required us to divert our developing resources.

We've thought about this quite some time now. We feel it is an important part of the entertainment service we are ultimately providing. Allowing players to customize those limits ultimately increases value. We will certainly keep you updated.