Why is it so hard to start community projects in the Bitcoin Talk forum.

[Jet Cash]

Community projects bond members of a group, and can be mutually beneficial. It seems almost impossible to start and maintain such project, and this seems to apply to fun activities as well as more serious commercial activities. Why is this? Is it that we don't trust each other, or that we don't want to work together? I appreciate that there is a wide diversity of skills and interests in the forum, but there must be a few groups with common interests.

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Serious commercial activities require serious commercial relationships. Fun activities are made for free and we don't need a ledger to do it when other forms of beneficial activities applies for escrow service; who will be the escrow for friends commercial activities? Theymos for exemple?

When money is involved, fun stops!

[Impermanence]

from bitcoins as well as all other altcoin projects, depending on the size of the community, I think it's a belief, a good community for any project needs a responsible captain. A good community is a transparent community that brings fair value to each member based on their contribution to the community.

[Upgrade00]

Possibly it's cause a large percentage of forum members are preoccupied with personal agendas on the forum, and would need to be incentivised to join in on a community project, especially if it's highly demanding.
There could be other reasons as well, cause a lot of highly knowledgeable members are not engaged on activities on the forum.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

from bitcoins as well as all other altcoin projects, depending on the size of the community, I think it's a belief, a good community for any project needs a responsible captain. A good community is a transparent community that brings fair value to each member based on their contribution to the community.

Gotta love a post like this one, which means absolutely nothing.  The other posts above this one aren't much better, btw.

Jet Cash, this forum is like a hornet's nest right now--and I'm sure you're well aware of that fact.  Add to this the fact that even on a good day it's infested by scammers and its user base represents people from every corner of the world with varying degrees of literacy and motivation for being here and, well, you get the result that you're seeing.

What projects are you talking about, anyway?  What fun stuff?  I'd actually love to have a real-life get together with some members here, maybe a barbecue or something with coffee and name tags.  Anonymity and distrust seem to rule the day here, though and I doubt I'll ever get to meet a member face-to-face.  Too bad Jet Cash is in the UK (I think).  Can you put some jet ski skids on your van or something and make your way to the east coast of the US?

[OgNasty]

I would point to trolling of NastyFans by users like TMAN & Last of the V8s as an example of why members would be discouraged from launching community projects. Plus, projects like Friends of Satoshi that sold lots of goods on promises of sharing revenue, only to then close up shop once they’ve sold their goods as an example of why users may not trust these types of projects. Few last, and fewer (one?) live up to the promise of their founders. When the honest organizations that live up to their promises are attacked nonstop, it’s clear there are currently more discouraging factors than incentives in this community.


Want a perfect example of why it is so hard to start actual community projects with actual software development?  Take a look at the trust rating for nonnakip: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=69046



After more than 6 years of running a community project with no compensation, refusing to let his site take deposits, and not having 1 single issue result in any wrongdoing, there are users who are currently in DT that have attacked his trust with absolutely no valid reason or evidence.  I am not an alt of nonnakip or vice versa.  We aren't citizens of the same country nor do we live on the same continent even...

If a developer with decades of experience traveling the world giving talks on software development can't donate time over more than 6 years of his life to working on a community project without being attacked by DT members with no technical skills of any kind and a personal axe to grind, why would any regular user try to make any effort for the community at all?

I actually think this example is reason enough for TMAN and owlcatz to be excluded from the trust network by anyone who honestly cares about community projects here.

[TECSHARE]

Most people who are any good at anything are probably already getting paid to do it somewhere else. Also the fact that this is 4Chan with an extensive research library.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Community projects bond members of a group

Here's the fact about Bitcointalk, most forum users aren't here to bond or create any connection with others, their only purpose here is to make money that's why any attempt to start a community project fails and alt account creation and farming, Spam and scam, all selfish activities one can think of is at its rise daily. Before anyone think about starting a community project he needs to ask himself are the forum users showing any positive sign towards involvement?.

[pugman]

Community projects bond members of a group, and can be mutually beneficial. It seems almost impossible to start and maintain such project, and this seems to apply to fun activities as well as more serious commercial activities. Why is this? Is it that we don't trust each other, or that we don't want to work together? I appreciate that there is a wide diversity of skills and interests in the forum, but there must be a few groups with common interests.

Trust issues, personal agendas, different community perspectives et al. That's from the dramatic side.

Scams, pyramid schemes, other illegal activities that have been prevailing here, has caused the community to grow this way. What else do you expect, when some of the most trusted people here(example: Master-P), just scam innocent people for a few pennies.

Most people come here for money, and only that. As much as I hate saying this, Bitcointalk is no longer a proper home for community projects, its very rare to see some actual initiative.

[Welsh]

Is it any harder than starting community projects elsewhere? I find that its very difficult to pull a group together relating to anything, unless common interests bring them together. You might argue that Bitcoin should be that common interest, but cash or any other system doesn't bring people together, well usually anyway. There's plenty of people on here that have contacted me, and probably several others about starting projects, but honestly its usually a matter of trust, and project vision. A lot of users here like to get reputable members on board for that fact alone, and not because they believe they would be beneficial. Then you have others who are determined to bring projects out by themselves to earn the maximum amount. Honestly, I think generally you need to have the upmost trust in someone to form a community project something which the Bitcoin user base isn't renounced for. Trusting others that is.

[Jet Cash]

It was my latest idea that triggered the thread. I thought it would be fun to have a type of prediction contest about the Bitcoin price at the time of the next halving. Members put 0.001 ( about £ 2,50 or $3.50) into a locked Bitcoin address, and the one who got closrst to the price, scooped the pool. It would have created some good speculation threads, which would have helped the forum, and if the price of Bitcoin did rocket up, then it could have provided a substantial prize.

The money tied up is negligible, and apart from the initial research, there is no work involved.

[YOSHIE]

"Why is this? Is it that we don't trust each other, or that we don't want to work together?

Not? same black hair, different thoughts?
Human mind and behavior patterns are ineffective, Disagreeing what actions should be taken against other people's ideas and ideas .

That is to say, Maintain an idea, each opinion rigidly without a clear reason, or withdraw if his opinion is not approved.
Be omniscient, so close yourself to seek opinions and help from others.
not trusting the capabilities of other bitcointalk members and not willing to ask for help or opinions.

With this factor that often occurs in maintaining one group project community so that this is not harmonious.

[o_e_l_e_o]

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User micgoosens already runs price prediction competitions. Here is his latest one with around 100 users entering: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096275.0. What's more, they are free to enter and he provides all prizes himself - for this one, he is providing a prize of 0.125 BTC.

I'm sure in you started a thread based on your idea, you would get a reasonable number of entries.

[Heisenberg_Hunter]

It was my latest idea that triggered the thread. I thought it would be fun to have a type of prediction contest about the Bitcoin price at the time of the next halving. Members put 0.001 ( about £ 2,50 or $3.50) into a locked Bitcoin address, and the one who got closrst to the price, scooped the pool. It would have created some good speculation threads, which would have helped the forum, and if the price of Bitcoin did rocket up, then it could have provided a substantial prize.

Do you mean similar to this : GAME game *game* "GAME" QUARTER PREDICTIONS or something like this : FREE DAILY RAFFLE RULES. PLEASE READ PRIOR TO PARTICIPATING

Both these successfully running projects seems to come under your criteria but they are being run by one single entity. Projects like these seems to trigger the interest in many but the participants are not exactly willing to throw out the money from their pocket or probably requires free money. For a forum which involves digital money, most of this forum people come here not to learn anything new or to help anyone rather they hunt for free money with just minimal efforts or scam some poor inexperienced newbies and run away with those money.

The projects which were started by you so far (ex. FitToTalk)  have always been literally very helpful to educate people, but they didn't involve ways of getting any free money. Hence they gained less attention from third world bounty hunters and wasn't really trending in the forum. We as like minded people can start something which may help someone but taking those ideas forward requires other's commitment in the project.

P.S Both mic and krog have been spending the dime from their own money and such projects cannot be considered as a community driven one. The community participates in such things, since they receive something free.

[Jet Cash]

Those speculation threads are a similar idea. I hadn't seen them , because I don't visit speculation. I can see the appeal as a result of not requiring any investment. That project was really just an example though. It's a shame that mining isn't profitable any more, a minung pool would be another possibility.

I'm also keen to start the crypto coin tree with its own tokenised security chain, but I'm still in the learning stage for that.

[LoyceV]

It was my latest idea that triggered the thread. I thought it would be fun to have a type of prediction contest about the Bitcoin price at the time of the next halving. Members put 0.001 ( about £ 2,50 or $3.50) into a locked Bitcoin address, and the one who got closrst to the price, scooped the pool.

I tried that: Put your money where your mouth is!
It didn't work, nobody joined despite bumping the topic for a while.

[sheenshane]

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Guessing is quite simple to join in a contest and I'm sure that will be lead to start and build a community project bond members of a group instead of arguing dramas.

Ain't join the latest contest was made by the user micgoosens since I forgot to visit there in speculation board.

Here is my idea, it is similar to the speculating Bitcoin price in the market. Can we guess what coin will be on top 4 or 5 in CMC before month end? As of now, I've seen in the top 5 is EOS coins. And of course, there's merit required before joining and to get the prize.


P.S.: Only suggestion.

[Jet Cash]

I wqas going to suggest another short term one, but I'm not sure how to monitor it.
Bitcoin is in a tight range at the moment, and I'm having a go at trading the bot generated wicks. It's high volume, micro-profit stuff, and could make an interesting contest.

[Pmalek]

I share the same opinion as many other users. Simply because users are here to make money and many are not even interested in interesting discussions let alone joining a community project where they also need to make an investment on their own. I took part in a giveaway contest by one of the Bitcoin casinos and sportsbooks for two weeks (got knocked out in the 2nd round, damn you LA Rams!) and what I noticed was many brand new accounts registered for the sole purpose of taking part in the contest.
So that is the kind of thing you can expect. Users trying to cheat and scam their way to the top. If they can't make money out if it, many see it as a waste of time and just a hindrance preventing them to make money elsewhere.

[Onuohakk]

Your fit to talk is one of the few community project but most users here are so interested in earning that the don't even care about another thing.
But still I think projects that brings people together to achieve a goal would still be welcome