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February 11, 2019, 11:05:14 AM
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Currently we have 122 merit sources. So usually top 50 Most generous recent merit senders should be from this 122 merit source because they have extra smerit allocations from admin. But just now I have visited
Most generous recent merit senders and 21180 merit was sent in the last 30 days. It's fine,  but in my opinions there should be all merit sources on the list. But as far as I know there 2 user is non merit source, S_Therapist & Coolcryptovator. Both users isn't merit source. I think there is more none merit source users but above 2 is sure none merit source.


 

Just imagine, there is 48 merit source and 2 none merit source on the list. Then question is, where is rest 74 merit source ? I don't know about monthly allocations but I don't think it will be less then hundred. Because  122 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 20835 sMerit per 30 days. Are they not spending their monthly allowance?

At least merit source shouldn't decay his smerit allocations. They have spend few time on this forum for spend their smerit and it's their responsibility.

My question will be wrong if monthly allocations below 50 smerit for this 74 users.

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February 11, 2019, 11:17:22 AM
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The number of smerits allocated to merit sources is not public, and I guess some could exhaust their entire pool but would not still make it to the list.
Although, merit sources should endeavour to send all available merits, especially as it was recently increased at the request of a source.

We would have to consider the data of a longer period to really determine the amount of neglect, theymos can then take action.
There is of course nothing to lose in being removed from the source list.
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February 11, 2019, 11:19:39 AM
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Currently we have 122 merit sources. So usually top 50 Most generous recent merit senders should be from this 122 merit source

Not all merit sources have the same amount. It may be a reasonable conclusion that at times there will be non merit sources on that list. This is especially true if say a user has earned a large amount of merit recently or over time and had not distributed it. If they then set it all or most of it loose in a 30 day period they could easily crack the list.

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At least merit source shouldn't decay his smerit allocations. They have spend few time on this forum for spend their smerit and it's their responsibility.

First it's not really their responsibility. It's a volunteer/thrust upon position that has little to no reward for that member. Their performance in that function is up to theymos to evaluate and act upon. Could you imagine how devalued receiving a merit would be if all these users felt compelled to go out and distribute all of their allocation each 30 day cylce, that'd be brutal.

In all honesty, when it happens the odd time maybe just make note of it, or bring it up in the Merit thread as it is. I don't think we need a new thread for each little nuance of merit/merit sources.

But as far as I know there 2 user is non merit source, S_Therapist & Coolcryptovator. Both users isn't merit source.

Had to have a chuckle at the 3rd person. Steamtyme was amused.

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February 11, 2019, 11:19:46 AM
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Some merit sources have a monthly allowance in the low double figures. If they are earning no merit of their own then they could well have less to give out per month than you do from what you have earned.

I'm sure this doesn't explain all the sources who don't appear in that list, but it's certainly a factor.

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February 11, 2019, 11:23:39 AM
Last edit: February 11, 2019, 11:36:28 AM by TalkStar
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Its seems like that commander of whole troops is missing during war Cheesy. Really concerning dude. Its not a small number who are missing here on the merit source list. I wish they will be much active soon.

Spending time on bitcointalk isn't the only responsibility  they got. Their smerit means a lot to new members of the forum  Yeah its true if any of them remove from the list thats  not gonna hurt their reputation but open a new door for active merit sources.

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February 11, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
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Well I'm doing my bit - I've got fewer than 200 sMerits to award for a change.

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February 11, 2019, 11:42:05 AM
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I don't know about monthly allocations but I don't think it will be less then hundred.
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My question will be wrong if monthly allocations below 50 smerit for this 74 users.

Indeed, you are wrong. Some merit sources have only few smerits per month that can be counted on the fingers of the hands (and maybe feet too).

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February 11, 2019, 12:02:09 PM
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Imagine that you are local board merit source, and your board does not have really high activity, you don't need more than 10-20 per month.
It is really possible to have sources with 10-20 source merit per month.
No need to have 100s if you cannot spend it.

In addition some people (MS) are not so active and cannot empty their monthly merit quota.
There are more active users receiving and sending merit that some of the merit sources, so don't be surprise if you cannot spot them all with a naked eye Wink

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February 11, 2019, 12:12:39 PM
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Everyone here arguing that they may not have much sMerits to send but we need to accept the fact they were not spending most of their monthly allowances to merit the forum members,the reasons maybe for not spending are

- cant' find the good quality post to merit them
- not enough time to read the most

I don't think merit sources are rewarded with any incentives for this dedicated job but they take it as high responsibility to spend their merit allowance even if they find less worthy posts to merit,just complete your quota with it.

I think theymos also wanted to spend their merit allowances by giving more merits in number with the posts they were finding.

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February 11, 2019, 12:17:31 PM
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Everyone here arguing that they may not have much sMerits to send but we need to accept the fact they were not spending most of their monthly allowances to merit the forum members
When theymos last created some new merit sources, some sources who were regularly exhausting their supply were handed a 2x or even 3x increase in their source merit allocation. However, the total number of source merits stayed pretty much the same, so a number of sources who weren't spending all their source merits must have had their supply cut significantly in order to compensate.

Only theymos knows the exact distribution, but I suspect the number of sources with a relatively small allocation is higher than we think.

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February 11, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
Last edit: February 11, 2019, 01:16:08 PM by LoyceV
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the reasons maybe for not spending are

- cant' find the good quality post to merit them
- not enough time to read the most
Theymos prefers Merit sources to empty their source. He said (and I'm not going to find back the quote): if you find only a few posts worth meriting in a month, give them everything so they can redistribute sMerit again. I personally wouldn't do that, as dumping 50 Merit on a Newbie's post doesn't seem right to me.

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A better forum is my incentive Smiley

My source went from 200 to 400 at the beginning of January, and was empty at the end of the month. I merited many posts at the beginning of January, so those sMerits were all replenished at once recently, and currently I have a hard time emptying my source again. On top of that, my "personal" sMerit pile is higher than ever.

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February 11, 2019, 01:19:25 PM
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I personally wouldn't do that, as dumping 50 Merit on a Newbie's post doesn't seem right to me.

What if higher rank member receive 50 merits merits for a post,Is it okay?
I think we need to serve the merit based on quality no matter of newbie or legendary.

On top of that, my "personal" sMerit pile is higher than ever.
Pour some of them on me. Grin I am not begging here

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February 11, 2019, 01:29:39 PM
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Theymos prefers Merit sources to empty their source. He said (and I'm not going to find back the quote): if you find only a few posts worth meriting in a month, give them everything so they can redistribute sMerit again. I personally wouldn't do that, as dumping 50 Merit on a Newbie's post doesn't seem right to me.
Well I don't think there are many posts that ever should have received 50. I do remember reading theymos's view that he would like to see the allocations spent. I disagree with emptying the sac for the sake of emptying it. If this is done it would always seem that we need more merit, as opposed to finding a happy balance.

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February 11, 2019, 02:04:02 PM
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I don't know about monthly allocations but I don't think it will be less than a hundred.
You are wrong, it's less than hundreds. In fact, many of the members who were added after the modification of the merit system "new restrictions on Jraccounts[1]" came with relatively low merits.
Initial merit sources had about 200 to 400 merits so few of all merit sources could generate those sMerits.


Imagine that you are local board merit source, and your board does not have really high activity, you don't need more than 10-20 per month.
Maybe that's why. Many new members are merit sources of for local boards.

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February 11, 2019, 02:11:20 PM
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Theymos prefers Merit sources to empty their source. He said (and I'm not going to find back the quote): if you find only a few posts worth meriting in a month, give them everything so they can redistribute sMerit again.

I think that this is the original post.

If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me. It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical. If you have 150 source merit and you only see 3 merit-worthy posts in a month, then I'd rather you over-give each of them 50 merit than let the merit expire. That way there are more people capable of sending merit, and the "merit economy" is less top-down.

 I personally agree with this idea. I think that active circulation of Merit is important for the activation of the forum and each local board.

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February 11, 2019, 02:11:41 PM
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I’m a source with a fairly low allocation. I haven’t even checked how many I get a month but I regularly run out. I think I get something like 3 source Merit’s per day which naturally I use.

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February 11, 2019, 02:36:17 PM
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All you guys who are saying that most of the merits are coming from regular members, and not from the merit sources, should remember that without the merit sources awarding merits, the regular members wouldn't have any sMerits to award.

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February 11, 2019, 02:46:12 PM
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All you guys who are saying that most of the merits are coming from regular members, and not from the merit sources, should remember that without the merit sources awarding merits, the regular members wouldn't have any sMerits to award.
But how a member can be at top merit sender when they are not merit sources if they were awarded merits with the merit sources.

I think we are talking about the merit sources who didn't distribute their allocated merits so it is possible to have merits which came from merit sources.

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February 11, 2019, 02:53:52 PM
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@Findingnemo what Jet Cash is saying is the following.
If there was no merit source to allocate merits to Users 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8... then Users 4,7,8 for example wouldn't have any merits to send to those top merit senders. You see, a member could receive merits from users who aren't merit sources but those merits originated from somewhere and most probably they came from a merit source sometimes in the past.

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February 11, 2019, 04:32:24 PM
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without the merit sources awarding merits, the regular members wouldn't have any sMerits to award.
It's true, and that's the reason why theymos added merit source. If there is no merit source they merit system will decay automatically. Seems you are also on the list, means you are using your smerit properly. My question was regarding rest 74 merit sources. Are their smerit allocation below 50? or are they not using allocated smerit? If they are from local board and unable to find good post it doesn't mean they can't use their smerit outside of local board. Theymos always encourage spend your smerit before refill date. @tactac already mentioned quote.

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