When you win does someone else have to lose.

[Gaaara]

There are special situation where two parties both win instead of 1 losing, its the same as boxing if you challenge a champion even if you lose you will still earn more money from the fight than the champion.

In trading you get what you can and throw away what you don't need, even if you know that there is one losing some it does not mean they lose in overall because they probably got some profit from the trade you made, and the fact that every traders lose and win some its only a natural cycle that the world of trading provide.

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[n0ne]

Not always, it depends on many factors in which price seller has bought is he/she lose at the moment of selling, you look at ths as long tem too or only short becouse i long term most of sellers of btc, for example, have lost as people who sold on 100$ 10k btc has lost but at hte moment of selling it was profit as was bought with 2$.

well, when you sell the assets you have, you don't think of harming others, and that person also buys with their own desires, moreover they need to. win, or lose, it depends on how you look at trade.

There is nothing as a win or lose with trading. You have made a prediction to buy at some specific point which in your opinion is good buy point. Same as that in the opposite side one tend to sell at the same price thinking it to be the best selling point. In this way we aren't harming anyone in the process of buying and selling of different assets.

[Sanitough]

Not always, it depends on many factors in which price seller has bought is he/she lose at the moment of selling, you look at ths as long tem too or only short becouse i long term most of sellers of btc, for example, have lost as people who sold on 100$ 10k btc has lost but at hte moment of selling it was profit as was bought with 2$.

well, when you sell the assets you have, you don't think of harming others, and that person also buys with their own desires, moreover they need to. win, or lose, it depends on how you look at trade.

There is nothing as a win or lose with trading. You have made a prediction to buy at some specific point which in your opinion is good buy point. Same as that in the opposite side one tend to sell at the same price thinking it to be the best selling point. In this way we aren't harming anyone in the process of buying and selling of different assets.

Why do we even think of discussing about harming here, trading's purpose is to make money, and we will make a working strategy to give us profit.
The effect to the losers, it's not of our business anymore, there are even manipulators in the market and they know they hurt those who get the FUD but they don't really even care, it's all business as usual.

[scambust]

Trading is a zero sum game. Of course, someone always loses. In fact, 90% of traders lose. To avoid zero sum, you have to invest in assets that pays dividends. But this is crypto, no security tokens yet available.

[--DarkSecrets--]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Definitely, it was a game of skills and predictions if you win there is someone who losses, we only don't know if that is a bot or a human being same applied if you lose other are winning. Skills is an advantage and roughly professional traders earn from newbies when this newbies became professional the same cycle will be applied.

[upsidedown75]

I don't think you should care about someone else's money as both of you are taking the same risks when trading. Think that sometimes you might be the person that loses and the other person is the one that wins so its a just a game that will never stop. I care about my money and my profit, not about someone else losing their money.

Lol, common man, be your brother’s shepherd (*wink*). I agree with you, we are all in the game to make some dough, provided it is a game we are all playing, we should be concerned more on how we will multiply our money and not what others are losing, because it is very logical to say that for there to be a win, there must always be a loss.

We need to work hard and have great strategy so that we can always endeavor to be on the winning side and not on the losing side, however, no matter how careful we are, we should always know that there will always be a loss too for us, so we are both rubbing our hands, we lose for others to win, while we win for others to lose.

[South Park]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Yes, it is that simple and if you win big then that means that many people lost money in order for you to get those profits, that is an obvious aspect of trading that many miss since they enter in the market thinking it will be impossible for them to lose not realizing they are going to be the ones that will give profits to someone else, trading is a zero sum game, everytime you buy a coin thinking that it will go up in value there is someone else selling the same coin that thinks the opposite.

[Fredomago]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Yes, it is that simple and if you win big then that means that many people lost money in order for you to get those profits, that is an obvious aspect of trading that many miss since they enter in the market thinking it will be impossible for them to lose not realizing they are going to be the ones that will give profits to someone else, trading is a zero sum game, everytime you buy a coin thinking that it will go up in value there is someone else selling the same coin that thinks the opposite.

There's no assurance than to understand the market, knowing that there's always an opposite against you will give you challenge to do extra efforts, each time you place your entry another person is placing its own opposite to your directions, so it's accurately true that each time you win someone will need to lose, a concept of gambling where everything is not just for luck but skills and knowledge that you have.

[STT]

Reminds me of zero sum trading - https://www.investopedia.com/terms/z/zero-sumgame.asp

I would argue no, there is a utility to Bitcoin that is an aid to the world.   This has been a surprise to many and we all know many consider Bitcoin to be a negative, a trick and a loss for all.    However Bitcoin helps to facilitate at least some business, some of which would not otherwise occur.     The closer you come to merely exchanging orders on an exchange, the more zero sum it is but actual trade done with Bitcoin is productive and a benefit to both parties.

All currency involves some loss or cost to its ownership and operation in exchange of ownership.    Plain paper money does have some cost to printing and charges to transmit value, store securely and assure accounting.    The reason we dont call it purely zero sum I think would be that we gain from the idea of money and the ability to trade is increased by its existence, this is despite all the corruption and crime that might occur.    
Everything in life has some loss and cost to it, a farmer who purely grows and exchanges foods still has some loss to his holding of goods and its really important a market price is found.

    The modern world needs efficiency and transparency and access to free markets for all, as a global economy we need to have that and Bitcoin is part of the online digital economy and serves a purpose imo hence its productive and will continue benefiting all involved on average I think.   I believe thats a reasonable premise and hope it continues to be possible