A question about hacked/sold account of @Apriand

[TalkStar]

Thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5071715.msg48034435#msg48034435

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Question raised by Findingnemo

user tried to sell his account literally for his need and I have seen many have tagged for attempt of selling but in this case want to see the stance of DT members.

Hello guys,

I wish this thread will turn our DT members attention here. If anyone read this members thread carefully he can easily understand that @Apriand account has not been hacked. He clearly confessed that he handover his account for 1 month to another person. Now he got his account back by the help of forum recovery team. Recently he asks our DT members to remove red tag from his recovered account. Surprisingly DTs are removing their feedback also.

Now the Main fact is @Apriand handover his account by taking money from that person. Which is clearly simillar to account selling.

Some question already raised in my mind. Such as;

1. Is it trusthworthy to handover account by taking money?
2. He confessed that he take money from the buyer of his. account. Did he refund to that person? Because already he recovered his account and he didn't submit any proof that he return that borrowed money.  
3. What could be then if that person commit any scam during 1 month use.
  

My opinion:
I think our DT members should reconsider this matter before removing their red tag from that account.

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[shasan]

Hello LoyceV this account has not been hacked or stolen. But the account was sold so the account should be tagged for a sold account. See reference link as proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5071715 and archive.

[Steamtyme]

Upon reading the OP, it appears as it was collateral in an off forum loan to repay a forum loan more than a sold account. Hard to really tell, that or the person they dealt with wanted to use the account for 1 month for the amount paid, which is shady and untrustworthy to be "lending" out the account.

Can't really figure it out based on the OP. In the end looks as though it was more posted as a warning that it was a compromised account.

[shasan]

Upon reading the OP, it appears as it was collateral in an off forum loan to repay a forum loan more than a sold account. Hard to really tell, that or the person they dealt with wanted to use the account for 1 month for the amount paid, which is shady and untrustworthy to be "lending" out the account.

Can't really figure it out based on the OP. In the end looks as though it was more posted as a warning that it was a compromised account.

I didn't see where you found the account was used as collateral? And also where you found the account was sold by Parodium? As further as could understand the owner of the account was sold the account. And I also he was a due loan to Parodium.

[Findingnemo]

H I was busy that time, and need money to pay my loan with Parodium. Then someone call me in telegram (he is from my country) to help me. He give me little money to pay back my loan but he want that account under his control for a month.

This is just similar to selling the account,but now I saw that every DT who tagged that account now removed that feedback and only Loycev got neutral but I believes that account need to be in red for selling attempt.

Any DT member?

Can't really figure it out based on the OP. In the end looks as though it was more posted as a warning that it was a compromised account.

Looks like he got scammed on that,for that he never get money from the one who contacted on Telegram.

[Steamtyme]

Actually that account doesnt really hacked, but i get chaeted about that account. I was busy that time, and need money to pay my loan with Parodium. Then someone call me in telegram (he is from my country) to help me. He give me little money to pay back my loan but he want that account under his control for a month. all deal and he call me almost everyday, but after a month my account not back to me and he runaway, all social media (telegram and whatsapp deleted by him) and i lost my account. May be he already sell thats account, but i sent pm for apriand about who control that account also no respond.

Well the thread linked in OP takes you to the above post. I snipped out the relevant part where I  read what led to my post.

At no point did I say the account was sold by Parodium.

I mentioned that the original account holder "apriand" either took a small loan/payment from whoever (off forum member via telegram) held/took the account to repay the on forum loan from.

[shasan]

This is just similar to selling the account,but now I saw that every DT who tagged that account now removed that feedback and only Loycev got neutral but I believes that account need to be in red for selling attempt.

You are right but all DT don't tag for account trader. I thin The pharmacist will tag if he believes the account was sold. Let's see what's happening.

[LoyceV]

Surprisingly DTs are removing their feedback also.

That is what I said I would do:

I'll leave red trust on the account, which I'll remove when either the real owner signs a message to prove he regained control, or when the account buyer can sign a message proving he bought the private key to the staked address with the account.
Reminder to myself: when removing the red trust, I'll leave neutral trust as a reminder the account was temporarily under someone else's control.

The forum's recovery team decided to recover the account for the owner. I see no reason to go against that.

I think our DT members should reconsider this matter before removing their red tag from that account.

My red tags are reserved for scammers.

[shasan]

when removing the red trust, I'll leave neutral trust as a reminder the account was temporarily under someone else's control.

I do not disagree with you. But for this case, the owner of the account is self-admitted account seller. Which we can see from the post where he provided a signed message.

[TalkStar]

My red tags are reserved for scammers.

Obviously i respect your thinking about red tags. Spammers should be got the priority first but i think this guy made a great mistake by giving someone access to his account. Owner of the account already admited it too. If this account holder get no warning or action than maybe our newcomers will take this kind of account selling issue so easily. If that happens than its nothing but encouraging new users to account selling i think.

[LoyceV]

But for this case, the owner of the account is self-admitted account seller.

He's been punished for that by losing access to his account for several months.

but i think this guy made a great mistake by giving someone access to his account.

I'm hoping he learned his lesson. I'm all for second chances.

[Steamtyme]

^^

Well put, I do hope that your programming example rubs off on some of the newer members that may be finding themselves on DT. I must say I've been surprised by some of the members I've seen making it in, not that I make a point of who's what. Just that some seem to think they have to prove themselves once there, or be completely rigid.

[The Cryptovator]

OP questions is not wrong. But I had not tagged him for sell account really. I had tagged the account for hacked accusation. And once I received PM from that account regarding recovery then I checked sec log to confirm. After confirmed I had removed my tag.

Now question about sell account, to be honest victim could hide his story. Simply he could make post for recover account. Since he describes about financial problem and its look like true to me. That's why I am not going to tag again by consider second chance. Actually victim was blackmailed by someone (IMO). He isn't professional account trader. And forum recovery team helped him to recover account.

This is my opinion to give him second chance. I am not sure about other DT.

[Findingnemo]

I'm hoping he learned his lesson. I'm all for second chances.

I hope other scammers will also appeal their case using this as an example,
^So its okay to sell the account on financial needs

I am looking to see the words from TP and big cat.

[LoyceV]

I hope other scammers will also appeal their case using this as an example,

I tag scammers, no worries there.
But I don't think Apriand is a scammer:

I was busy that time, and need money to pay my loan with Parodium. Then someone call me in telegram (he is from my country) to help me. He give me little money to pay back my loan but he want that account under his control for a month.

He made a dumb choice that screwed him over big time, but he did it to pay back his loan. That doesn't sound like a scammer to me.

So its okay to sell the account on financial needs

According to forum rules: yes, but it's "frowned upon". I don't think frowning justifies red trust in all cases.

[TalkStar]

I hope other scammers will also appeal their case using this as an example,
^So its okay to sell the account on financial needs

I am looking to see the words from TP and big cat.

Yeah scammers can use this example for their case. I beleive if anyone done a mistake without his own intention than he is worthy for getting a second chance but should get a shorttime punishment too. Otherwise its going to encourage others in a small scale.