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February 27, 2019, 02:00:49 PM
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Chain'o'cracy - blockchain based, direct election and referendum system - project phase: the idea is forming
note: this is meant to be a pro-publico-bono project

     The following idea must be attempted and completed at some point for our own sake. It is inevitable as the whole world is waiting breathless, are you ready to become a part of history? Nothing except splendour, recognition and appreciation is to gain here. If you're solely after the money, please look somewhere else, as this project is designed for greater good.
     Have you ever imagined, how the world would look if true, direct, trust-less democracy idea was possible? Like in the classical era of it's(democracy) invention, where every citizen was able to influence politics. The idea "they" fear the most. no more representatives, no expensive elections every few years, end to lavish election campaigns and all the waste they produce, no more corruptible, venal, lobbed politicians, only real votes by real citizens - thanks to blockchain ledger.
     The sketch for this system: Whole 'o' package should consists of one executable installer. Think of it as a wallet-like program, preferably available for Android and Linux terminals. Application should consists of three modules; government, citizen and press(miner). Gov. mode needs to be ready to accommodate the database(updatable but only up, no deletion option¹) of all citizens, with social-security numbers, names and unique feature like, the amount of tax return in past year etc. Encrypted database is used as the source for creating accounts(addresses) in citizen mode. No fake accounts possibility but results of the voting have to be anonymous. Mining difficulty should be set as low as possible and fixed, in order to allow low spec computers to participate in the network². Mining(press) mode should be available for everybody, making it incentivising for media platforms to run a miner in order to have all the referendum scores in real time and up to date. Votes(coins - votons) gathered by miners and in gov. account, should be redistributed among citizens accounts at the end of election phase. The same coins³ in circulation, pre-minted in gov. mode, based of citizen database size(amount of people).

¹Dead people conundrum; giving option to delete accounts from db, makes in to big trust issues, votes of citizens who died may happen, how to prevent such event while maintaining anonymity? (this problem is also in existence today)
²Security through pre minted hash as all coins are known, no new unauthorised votes are possible and the amount has to be fixed at 50(example) coins per account per year, to prevent "legislative diarrhea" (to many laws).
³Possibility for running out of votes exists! You have to be smart not to waste votons on bad legislature otherwise you will be left voiceless in your community for a year, or any particular period set by the state.
⁴Public forum will be necessary for posting documents, in read only mode through www. Preferably decentralised, in the cloud, devised in to language and basic topics sections, one agora for the entire world!

     Once again I ask all bitcointalkers of good will, can you help? Can you devote your free time, mind and skills? We can built it together, we have the technology! I'm just a man with a plan, obviously lacking in technical know how, if I could make it alone, I would but this have to be made complete and working from "day one", translated to all possible languages and tested... it's to big of a deal for one person. The idea is not perfect, I know but by planting this seed, I hope for something incredible to grow from it. It is the long awaited "power to the people", blueprint for global liberation.

Immediate critique:

-This is nwo technocracy!
No, if we could implement system for administrating law ideas, signed with 1voton. Everyone would be entitled to submit his proposals this way⁴. If another citizen recognises it as a good idea, he can upvote it with his voton and so on. Multiply signed papers, let say 9001votons, would be treated as lawful documents and have to be queued for voting at some point, automatically so no paper review by any officials is necessary. Think of votons as post stamps.
-People will vote themselves in to communism!
Like they not doing it right now... well they do, because this virus has infested the collective(yuck) mind. 'o' has the chance for sweep this slate clean. Such danger obviously exist and a systematic countermeasure may be necessary[?].
-Votons have value, they will be traded!
No, because citizen to citizen transactions are not possible, only citizen->gov.pool
-It's to radical, no one will use it!
One word, bitcoin. In two worlds, built it and they will come.
-You just want to get famous poptok1!
If any one likes to take over, then be my guest but if you somehow crook the idea for your own benefit... "then I will find you, and I will..." go full Liam Neeson on you. Yesterday I talked about this idea with HBKMusiK, I told him that this so huge that I'm actually scared of it. To be honest I would gladly move away myself in to e-shadows.

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February 27, 2019, 06:00:07 PM
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It is a good initiative but as I said it has to be done at a small scale first to see what impact is gonna have to the community, how everybody will react to it.If we manage to gather a hand of people I will sacrifice a good period of my free time for it.
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February 28, 2019, 07:25:39 PM
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It is a good initiative but as I said it has to be done at a small scale first to see what impact is gonna have to the community, how everybody will react to it.If we manage to gather a hand of people I will sacrifice a good period of my free time for it.
Thanks in advance. I have added first link to the website.
It's DNS servers haven't propagated yet, so the address is a little strange for now.
chainocracy.tk should be reachable in few hours, it's on a free hosting unfortunately ;/ but it should suffice for now.
Let me know what you think, nothing fancy though I was aiming to look kinda pro and clean.
Now it's time for whitepaper :0)
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February 28, 2019, 09:25:45 PM
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It is a good initiative but as I said it has to be done at a small scale first to see what impact is gonna have to the community, how everybody will react to it.If we manage to gather a hand of people I will sacrifice a good period of my free time for it.
Thanks in advance. I have added first link to the website.
It's DNS servers haven't propagated yet, so the address is a little strange for now.
chainocracy.tk should be reachable in few hours, it's on a free hosting unfortunately ;/ but it should suffice for now.
Let me know what you think, nothing fancy though I was aiming to look kinda pro and clean.
Now it's time for whitepaper :0)
I'm waiting forward to see how the whitepaper will look, it's clear that the project is not only a "joke" for you.I like how clean and smooth you managed to create the website.
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A whole brand new innovation. Good start up though, buy take it bit by bit, expert a million failures but never give up. Cos success comes with persistence in the midst of failures. With goodwill and determined spirit, hardworking and sincerity, u will make it

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I'm waiting forward to see how the whitepaper will look, it's clear that the project is not only a "joke" for you.I like how clean and smooth you managed to create the website.
A whole brand new innovation. Good start up though, buy take it bit by bit, expert a million failures but never give up. Cos success comes with persistence in the midst of failures. With goodwill and determined spirit, hardworking and sincerity, u will make it
Thanks for encouraging and motivational words guys, appreciated.
As to small steps method, I think I'm getting there slowly but surely. I have secured github account for this project, it's empty as of yet so don't bother to click through it. It's just to take the account name before anyone else does etc.
White paper however may be a little troubling for now, I never done it before so some learning must be done prior.
Worst thing is I have no idea how to describe all the mathematical problems... could use some help on this stage already Embarrassed
Nevertheless, I will try to pursue the idea for as long as possible. There's this voting system online, obviously monetised with rent-ish business model :[  shame.
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So the citizens acquire their account via their encrypted data (names or Govt IDs) and stored in a centralized database controlled by the Government (I assume that it's displayed in public).
But that centralization alone defeats the idea of a decentralized voting system.

One idea is simply issue a private key and address pair to each citizen like an ID (which can be used for something else- on other "chains" aside from voting).
In "voting chain(s)" (each positions- Pres, VP, Senators, etc) the issued balance per chain can't be sent to other accounts (addresses) but only to the specific persons (the nominees); otherwise, the tx will be invalid.

That's just a simple thought process but I hope that you get the idea.

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One idea is simply issue a private key and address pair to each citizen like an ID
That's seem like the best idea however my issue with it is that it generates costs. Those freshly generated keys would have to be transferred to end users somehow, paper form by snail-mail? Probably would work but imagine the cost and time necessary for all the letters to be delivered, some additional problems are also in place, for example sending letters of state borders.
 
That's why I tried to think of something electronic only, generated on citizens devices alone, with few keyboard strokes.
The database in my idea is used as a temporary seed for the private key. Generated address and private key are stored only on citizen's device.
You are right that database is centralized but that's the only thing that is. Voting and votes counting is done through decentralised nodes and miners. IMO without centralised "seed" database, this has zero chances for being accepted by governments.

Thanks for your expressing your opinion and valid concerns.
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Hello,

I also find this question intriguing, what would happen if the public keys were permanent (maybe changed every 4 years), so that their distribution would be easy to manage. They could also be signed by other people, in a sense creating a web of verifications. This would make it possible for the community to grow, once a certain number of verifications have been achieved for a new member, they could join the chain. It would also be possible, to have the elected leaders also verify the Public database of voters, which would make it both centralized and decentralized at the same time (in a sense). The elected leaders could also be authorized to manage the inclusion of new people, so a new person would have to be verified by the central authority on top of having the required verifications from other members.

I wrote some other thoughts on a different thread, proposing a more general outline:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153099.0

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