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February 27, 2019, 08:44:09 PM
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I have read many articles posted online about buy and sell walls. It still is vague.

I understand it is whales faking people out so they can buy coins cheaper, but i don't understand how to identify a Wall in the charts.

Are you reading the candlesticks or are you looking at market Depth? To find the walls... how common are they?
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February 27, 2019, 09:34:45 PM
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I have read many articles posted online about buy and sell walls. It still is vague.

I understand it is whales faking people out so they can buy coins cheaper, but i don't understand how to identify a Wall in the charts.

Are you reading the candlesticks or are you looking at market Depth? To find the walls... how common are they?
Buy walls are listed from cheap bids to expensive bids, the first order you see on the market depth is best potential buy order. Same applies for ask orders in sell wall. You only see the executed orders on charts and every movement you look on graphics is past. Limit orders can create liquidity and lack of liquidity can create whipsaws on charts. You can't see the order walls on charts without special software.

 
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February 27, 2019, 11:28:15 PM
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To Identify a sell or buy wall...... you look at the trading view "Depth"   Huh and look for big spikes?
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February 28, 2019, 02:00:00 AM
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You can see it on orderbook, but if whales doing buy or sell market we can not see it. Buy low and sell high is key of trading and also risk management by use stop loss for each trade is the most important thing.

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February 28, 2019, 02:19:44 AM
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Do not trust these walls, it is often a kind of trap for operators. If you are a good observer, you will discover that when you place very large orders in the Order Book, after a period of time, many of them disappear. The walls are psychological, with the intention of confusing the merchant when entering the market.

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February 28, 2019, 03:21:04 AM
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I have read many articles posted online about buy and sell walls. It still is vague.

I understand it is whales faking people out so they can buy coins cheaper, but i don't understand how to identify a Wall in the charts.

Are you reading the candlesticks or are you looking at market Depth? To find the walls... how common are they?
Don't rely on it bro make your own technical analysis  and fundamental instead to assure you can obtain specific time and you can determine the real potential of coin you want to invest.  Indeed that's the main strategy of some trader , it's basic only but very helpful especially on this kind of market condition.  .  
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you understood wrong.

a "wall" does not always have to be placed by a whale. a "wall" is simply a large sum of orders at a certain price or a couple of prices that are  close together (for example at $4010.0 and $4010.5 and 4011.0,...). walls can be buy walls or sell walls and they are showing the support or resistance respectively at those price levels. for example there is some resistance currently around $4100 for bitcoin and some support around $3700.

now with that said sometimes manipulators who have a large amount money relative to the size of the market (which means most of the times it happens in altcoins)  can place big orders of their own to fake these support and resistances so that they can manipulate the market in the direction they want or prevent it from going in certain direction. for example back in 2018 ethereum foundation placed millions of dollars worth of buy orders on ETH market to prevent its catastrophic crash as people were dumping and ICOs were running away.

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February 28, 2019, 09:04:47 AM
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I have read many articles posted online about buy and sell walls. It still is vague.

I understand it is whales faking people out so they can buy coins cheaper, but i don't understand how to identify a Wall in the charts.

Are you reading the candlesticks or are you looking at market Depth? To find the walls... how common are they?
Just go to trading page of any exchange. And click on depth you can find a page where you can see whales. Just move your mouse on the depth you can see where how much btc / other crypto buy order or sell order. Thanks

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February 28, 2019, 09:40:20 AM
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Are you reading the candlesticks or are you looking at market Depth? To find the walls... how common are they?

I think they are just orders like bid and ask. If you are convinced to buy or sell either using your candle stick to determine it, then you make your order. That is the way I see what you are asking for. Don't confuse yourself with exotic names.

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February 28, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
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I have read many articles posted online about buy and sell walls. It still is vague.

I understand it is whales faking people out so they can buy coins cheaper, but i don't understand how to identify a Wall in the charts.

Are you reading the candlesticks or are you looking at market Depth? To find the walls... how common are they?
Just go to trading page of any exchange. And click on depth you can find a page where you can see whales. Just move your mouse on the depth you can see where how much btc / other crypto buy order or sell order. Thanks

if you read my explanation above I briefly pointed this out that the depth chart only shows you the total sum of the volume that is placed on that particular price, you have no way of knowing whether that is placed by one person (the whale) or by hundreds of traders that chose that price and placed hundreds of orders there.

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February 28, 2019, 11:15:59 AM
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I have read many articles posted online about buy and sell walls. It still is vague.

I understand it is whales faking people out so they can buy coins cheaper, but i don't understand how to identify a Wall in the charts.

Are you reading the candlesticks or are you looking at market Depth? To find the walls... how common are they?
This is quite understandable. Buy and sell walls are set by investors or whales. they will not want the price of token or altcoins broken out of a certain price.
For example, we have a currency called NANO. Its current price is $ 1. I'm a whale and I don't want investors to make their prices much lower.
I will order to buy NANO at the price of 0.7 $ in very large quantities. The bigger the number, the thicker the wall and the smaller investors will not have enough money to overcome it. so its price will not be reduced based on my wall. Wink

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February 28, 2019, 11:53:02 AM
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you understood wrong.

a "wall" does not always have to be placed by a whale. a "wall" is simply a large sum of orders at a certain price or a couple of prices that are  close together (for example at $4010.0 and $4010.5 and 4011.0,...). walls can be buy walls or sell walls and they are showing the support or resistance respectively at those price levels. for example there is some resistance currently around $4100 for bitcoin and some support around $3700.

now with that said sometimes manipulators who have a large amount money relative to the size of the market (which means most of the times it happens in altcoins)  can place big orders of their own to fake these support and resistances so that they can manipulate the market in the direction they want or prevent it from going in certain direction. for example back in 2018 ethereum foundation placed millions of dollars worth of buy orders on ETH market to prevent its catastrophic crash as people were dumping and ICOs were running away.
Well explained, after reading above on most comments they do only imply nor explaining their advises not literally answering OP's question which you had said here about sell or buy walls.It is not
really specifically these walls created by single trader but rather it can really be possibly lots of people who do try to stop either dump or breaking the resistance.You can actually observe fake sell or buy walls when you do observe the orders.

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February 28, 2019, 12:23:07 PM
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Walls mean nothing at all, when there is a wall in bitcoin at 3.4 thousand dollars that would mean the price should not go under that but when the price gets close suddenly that wall is at 2.9 thousand dollars, I have seen from 20 thousand dollars price to this day whenever there was a wall that was "impossible to break" either going up or going down it was always super easy to break because the wall itself disappeared.

People think walls are there will prevent something huge but in reality walls are not there permanently they are there for the show and it will always go away before buyers/sellers have a shot at breaking the wall themselves. They are way ahead of what it suppose to be, they do not allow their own walls to be broken so they just run away instead of trying to keep or sustain the price.


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February 28, 2019, 09:53:02 PM
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This is not a big thing to understand, it's just one of those slangs used in crypto by the users especially those who knows how to trade or have a knowledge of crypto trading. Buy wall is just a huge buy order at a particular buying range. For example, a buy wall can be set within the range of $100 to $120 with lots of orders in order to take the price of the coin/token to the price set by the buy wall. This is also same for a sell way but this time sell others are created.
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March 01, 2019, 09:23:43 AM
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I have read many articles posted online about buy and sell walls. It still is vague.

I understand it is whales faking people out so they can buy coins cheaper, but i don't understand how to identify a Wall in the charts.

Are you reading the candlesticks or are you looking at market Depth? To find the walls... how common are they?

When I do trade in the market, I based my technical analysis on the actual market in the graph were you can see the sell and buy wall in the chart. Now if you want to buy set it in the price you like to buy depending in the present actual happening in the chart of course, same goes with setting the price you like to sell in the graph as well.
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March 01, 2019, 11:38:40 AM
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On stock trading usually wall are put by MM to keep stock up (or down).  I'm pretty sure that in crypto are the same: exhanges put this monster order to keep market relatively stable... Is just my opinion based on my market experience.  Cool

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March 01, 2019, 01:45:53 PM
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The reason the term wall is used is because they are using the wall analogy whereby traders have to climb over that wall to get past a certain level. This is the same for both sides, either buyer or seller. The higher the wall, the harder it is to climb and overcome.

In terms of trading, as Pursuer explains, it is just a very large sum of orders, which all need to be fulfilled before the next price level can be reached.

So, if you are seeing a huge amount of orders all at 4000, it can be one order, it can be many people placing the order. It gives an idea of demand, but of course it shouldn't be the only thing.

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March 01, 2019, 02:46:30 PM
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It is like a prevention for another big movement.

It aint really a wall if someone could buy that amount or sell.
You will see most of it have large amount of tokens or USD. They just do that so that you cannot go way far. You will be forced to sell or buy below the the amount where they at or higher.


Example if you are selling:

1,000,000 tokens for $1.00 each - - - > the whale or who controls the trade
1,000 token for $0.99 each - - - > Here you are being forced to sell lower coz you just have a small amount of token and you want to sell fast and not wait for that million to be sold which could take forever.

Now they want to see it way cheaper so they could buy at a lower price.
Vice versa with buying.

That is if we are on the same page. Correct me if I am wrong.

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March 01, 2019, 11:47:34 PM
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I have read many articles posted online about buy and sell walls. It still is vague.

I understand it is whales faking people out so they can buy coins cheaper, but i don't understand how to identify a Wall in the charts.

Are you reading the candlesticks or are you looking at market Depth? To find the walls... how common are they?

It has nothing to do with candlesticks or the price chart. It's the market depth.

You can see them in the order book. Here is the order book at Bitfinex. Sometimes you need to look at the Level 2 order book (the complete order book, not the default view) to see walls that are really far from the spread.

I wouldn't focus on walls too much. They are mostly there to affect perception and psychology. Serious whales who are really accumulating or distributing very large lots use timed algorithms to scale in and out of markets. They don't announce their presence with walls.

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When I hear walls, that' implies big money in the buy or sell order.
Breaking the walls will result to a significant price movement and often here in crypto, we think that walls are created by whales.




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