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February 28, 2019, 09:01:32 PM
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Firstly it's a new DT system therefore using activity will just favour a particular set of forum users (early forum users). That's why the merit is been used. With the merit criteria any set of users can be voted into the DT system be them old or new users. Which makes it fair and decentralized to me since theymos doesn't have a say only the community can decide who's voted in or out.

Yes but that is my point.

HISTORY is important. Who do you trust more someone who has not cheated you in the first 5 seconds you are talking to them or someone who has not cheated you for years and years that you have known them?

If I told you to research the post history of someone with 2000 activity and their interactions here and then told you to research someone with 200 activity then you will see you have a lot more material to go on

Merit has nothing to do with trust. History and TIME being honest (free from observable scamming or telling lies or greedy sneaky behaviour for financial reward) does have a bearing on trust (where finances are concerned)

Of course trading history should really be part of the trust system but again I never use it so I am not sure how easy that is to game.

There is NO GAMING/CYCLING/COLLUDING possible with activity.

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February 28, 2019, 09:40:25 PM
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There is NO GAMING/CYCLING/COLLUDING possible with activity.
One of the reasons to introduce the Merit system was massive account farming. Any spammer could earn Activity on as many accounts as he could spam.

Merit ended that.

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February 28, 2019, 09:51:23 PM
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There is NO GAMING/CYCLING/COLLUDING possible with activity.
One of the reasons to introduce the Merit system was massive account farming. Any spammer could earn Activity on as many accounts as he could spam.

Merit ended that.

Well, I very much doubt someone could reach legendary or even hero based upon spam only.

However, yes, I have said many times this is point of merit and for that it works well there should be no other function of merit as it stands now.

Activity tells you how long you have been a member and how active you have been. The post history is there to review. I very much doubt you will find many 2000 activity spammers. Although according to suchmoon "most" pre merit legends are spammers.  I mean plus they need 100 earned merits so they will need to have have some of this too.




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February 28, 2019, 09:58:51 PM
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Well, I very much doubt someone could reach legendary or even hero based upon spam only.
It didn't take me long to find a few:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154284
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154307
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=70247
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=153384
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154450
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=152713
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=152424

The first 2 even have the same registration date and were last active on the same date. Many accounts reached high ranks by only posting in Games and rounds. Earning free money for daily posting the same thing used to be an easy way to rank up many alt-accounts.

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February 28, 2019, 10:16:31 PM
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@cryptohunter, can you describe briefly who is decent user of this forum? Only you? You asked me about my contribution, can I ask you about your fucking contribution on this forum? Just create new useless topic daily and waste forum time. What the fuck man? just always looking on other user's ass. Did you check your ass ? Yea, I have seen real life same like you, they don't have work but always looking on other's ass. Try to change your fucking habit.

Theymos really a kind man since he did not ban you.

I was un-ignored you, thought perhaps I could learn something. But seems you are a fucking teacher. So ignored you permanently.

Edit: Still you are equal Full Member to me. I will consider you Legendary when you can earn appropriate merit.

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February 28, 2019, 10:38:11 PM
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@cryptohunter, can you describe briefly who is decent user of this forum? Only you? You asked me about my contribution, can I ask you about your fucking contribution on this forum? Just create new useless topic daily and waste forum time. What the fuck man? just always looking on other user's ass. Did you check your ass ? Yea, I have seen real life same like you, they don't have work but always looking on other's ass. Try to change your fucking habit.

Theymos really a kind man since he did not ban you.

I was un-ignored you, thought perhaps I could learn something. But seems you are a fucking teacher. So ignored you permanently.

Edit: Still you are equal Full Member to me. I will consider you Legendary when you can earn appropriate merit.

Please newbie have some respect - - for yourself. Stop asskissing and begging to be a merit source over and over.

Review my entire post histroy.
My contributions here are far more than you can dream about.

Just to mention a few

1. first person to break the dark coin scam and with a few friends, we forced an air drop to be offered that has a value of possibly 2 Billion dollars. Was accused of stopping that becoming the number 1 on coinmarket cap by several of their scammy supporters. So arguably being responsible for stopping btc pushed off top spot ever in its history. I totally believe them that it would have rivaled btc for number 1 position if this huge war on the alt board did not break out about the captive instamine.

2. picking 6 of the top 10 rising projects in the last bull run. Was thanked in pm and in public from persons who went from nothing to millionaires by investing in them. REAL projects that are working to slot in the missing pieces of the end to end trustless decentralised arena here. Yes I shared this knowledge in public before they shot up.

3. First to spot and highlight many LARGE scams and take them on head on in alt discussion when that was actually the main hub here, not reporting and snitching on them just straight head on confrontation and slamming them in public... not the 2 bit crap scam icos only absolute fools would invest in that you seem to think you are preventing. Whilst achieving fuck all apart from whack a mole now.

4. Trying in the face of many gangs like in meta now to force fairer distributions. Later to witness many who fought against me saying later I was correct to push for changes.

5. Making honest and insightful posts like my thread of the year in meta. This is without doubt the most important thread here in the last year. These systems are changing bitcointalk forever. I see no refutation there I see nothing but merit being given to a net negative post that is nothing other than a faux and empty rebuttal.

You are just a nothing noob ass kisser I see nothing except some minor ico crap that nobody ever would invest in anyway except themselves pumping their own apparent investment and some feltching of suchmoon who bestows some merit on your begging ass.

LOL legend wanna be.

Keep begging to be a merit source so you can join the merit merry-go-round, im sure you will get there in the end.

When I see you telling me legends with less cycled merits than you are not your equals I laugh. I can only imagine what smooth, gjhiggins or dzimbeck or any number of real legends would do to your tiny mind in any kind of debate.






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March 01, 2019, 01:15:54 AM
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2. why it would not be better to make it 100 earned merits + 1500 activity or even 2000 activity?

I would like to see a comparison between members with 250 earned merit and members with 1500 activity, as in number based.



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March 01, 2019, 02:28:31 AM
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I like the concept of merit recycling, so I've changed my personal text to reflect this. Smiley
For the concept of recycling, I propose a new concept / term for the forum merits.
Zero-Wasteful Merits, how about this term?
It is imperfect term, because in reality we can not reach it due to banned accounts and merits own by those banned accounts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_waste
I give you a classic definition on Zero Waste, that implies a totally reuse, recycle of waste/ trash.

By the way, I would prefer to propose another new term for spammers or shit posters.
How about Land-fillers?
I known that you are the first one suggested the term Spambies, LOL.

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March 01, 2019, 02:30:50 AM
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2. why it would not be better to make it 100 earned merits + 1500 activity or even 2000 activity?

I would like to see a comparison between members with 250 earned merit and members with 1500 activity, as in number based.




Not only I suspect are there more with 1500 + I would also suspect you will not find an obvious and direct connection between many of them over the years. Preventing collusion is key in a decentralised system or else it is pseudo decentralisation.

Still DT is a tiny tiny subset and it is also a very much connected and observably tight knit group. This is not at all a good start to a decentralised system.

Imagine having some DT1 that do not hang in meta 24/7  and are not observably part of the merit-merry-go-round.

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March 01, 2019, 02:35:54 AM
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The topic, published by LoyceV, gives us very transparent, and good overview about what's going on with merit system and merit circulation in the forum.
Top 200 Merit Receivers without Merit from the Top 200 Merit Receivers
I thought that the doubt on a circle jerking club was totally answered months ago.

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March 01, 2019, 02:37:35 AM
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The topic, published by LoyceV, gives us very transparent, and good overview about what's going on with merit system and merit circulation in the forum.
Top 200 Merit Receivers without Merit from the Top 200 Merit Receivers
I thought that the doubt on a circle jerking club was totally answered months ago.

It was answered.

The cycling takes place and is very clearly observable. Im glad that you see that now.

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@trannidung

What about dung posters?

Firstly, you should called me right to show that you respect others, @tranthidung, instead of @trannidung.
Secondly, it is my name, and if you feel badly or ugly with the word, @dung, you should call me as @dzung.
Yeap, dzung poster, and it is totally not related to land-fillers or shit-posters.
dzung, not dung, not shit, OK?

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March 01, 2019, 02:42:08 AM
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@trannidung

What about dung posters?

Firstly, you should called me right to show that you respect others, @tranthidung, instead of @trannidung.
Secondly, it is my name, and if you feel badly or ugly with the word, @dung, you should call me as @dzung.
Yeap, dzung poster, and it is totally not related to land-fillers or shit-posters.

But then again cycled merit is not related to zero waste merit. Sometimes people are confused. We must show patience and forgiveness. Anyone can make a simple error.

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March 01, 2019, 03:13:27 AM
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2. why it would not be better to make it 100 earned merits + 1500 activity or even 2000 activity?

I would like to see a comparison between members with 250 earned merit and members with 1500 activity, as in number based.

Among non-banned users who have been active within the last 30 days:

~450 users with 1500+ activity.
~90 users with 100+ earned merits and 1500+ activity.
~100 users with 2000+ activity.
~35 users with 100+ earned merits and 2000+ activity.
~135 users with 250+ earned merits, any activity.

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March 01, 2019, 03:15:22 AM
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Not only I suspect are there more with 1500

but isn't this alone a good reason to conclude that 250 merit is worth more than 1500 activities, which goes exactly against this

Let's revise it to 100 earned merits and 1500 activity. That is a much more important account to lose and will become more so over time.

what is harder to get , is certainly more important to keep, you need to also consider that activate's only strength is 'time'  , there are thousands of shitposters, bots and scammers who would very likely have all the activity you want,at any point, its only a matter of time, merit on the other hand is way harder to obtain.

TL;DR adding activity to it is not a bad idea, reducing merit required is a bad idea.



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Not only I suspect are there more with 1500

but isn't this alone a good reason to conclude that 250 merit is worth more than 1500 activities, which goes exactly against this

Let's revise it to 100 earned merits and 1500 activity. That is a much more important account to lose and will become more so over time.

what is harder to get , is certainly more important to keep, you need to also consider that activate's only strength is 'time'  , there are thousands of shitposters, bots and scammers who would very likely have all the activity you want,at any point, its only a matter of time, merit on the other hand is way harder to obtain.

TL;DR adding activity to it is not a bad idea, reducing merit required is a bad idea.




NO just because merit is kept within a tight circle for control purposes does not mean 250 merits is at all hard to replicate if one gets knocked out if you have an alt or friends in the inner circle. They can do nothing at all to speed up activity so you lose a 5 year old account it will take 5 years to replace it. You lose a 250 merits account it can be replaced far more quickly if you have alts pals in the merit merry-go-round.

250 gamed and cycled merits can be earned very quickly by alts of merit sources, ass kissers and other established members of the merit circle.

As I have also stated there are other reasons for activity to be more suitable to trust.









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March 01, 2019, 07:57:17 PM
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well these are all just assumptions cryptohunter, but anyhow, if the "gang" controls merit, then they likely do control most accounts with 1500 activities too , don't you think ?

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March 01, 2019, 09:46:25 PM
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cryptohunter, you’re not a stupid/dumb guy. I can tell from your posts that you’re pretty intelligent.
250 earned Merit’s is 100% achievable for you if you drop the everybody vs you thing. 250 earned Merit’s stops alts & real bad shit posters having a say on DT.

That thread where you guys were trying to manipulate DT - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.0 has alts galore posting in it

Literally just the other day marlboroza made a thread showing that ac2eugenio (one of the people attempting to manipulate DT) has a string of alts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114184.0

This shows that most of the retards in that DT manipulation attempt thread were most likely  alts of each other. Imagine if we had that on a large scale, loads of them with 100 Merit running the forum.

You’re not dumb, you can earn 250 Merit & get a vote. Those alts are what they are - alts, scum bags & the 100 Merit total was too low. 250 Merit’s means we have more chance of fair & trustworthy people in DT.

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Cryptohunter's proposal



~90 users with 100+ earned merits and 1500+ activity.  


Current system

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~135 users with 250+ earned merits, any activity.


so your proposal will exclude  45 members ( including me  Grin ) ,  but do you really think that these 45 votes are the issue ?

suchmoon i don't want to be greedy with my "wants" but can you put a list of those who won't be able to "vote" if cryptohunter's proposal is applied ?


i am pretty sure the majority of the remaining members will be those you have an issue with now ( excluding me and a few other new members).


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so your proposal will exclude  45 members ( including me  Grin ) ,  but do you really think that these 45 votes are the issue ?

suchmoon i don't want to be greedy with my "wants" but can you put a list of those who won't be able to "vote" if cryptohunter's proposal is applied ?

It's not ~45 users losing the right to vote. ~100 users would lose the right to vote and ~55 users would gain it. The lists below is not 100% accurate because my merit data is ~2 weeks old but it should give you a good enough approximation of the impact.

Losers:

Code:
1miau
actmyname
Alex_Sr
aliashraf
AlyattesLydia
arulbero
asche
athanz88
AverageGlabella
bill gator
BitCryptex
bitmover
bitserve
bob123
BobLawblaw
bones261
buwaytress
by rallier
Claymore
Coding Enthusiast
Coin-1
coinlocket$
Coolcryptovator
DarkStar_
DdmrDdmr
d_eddie
deeperx
eddie13
explorder
Flying Hellfish
HagssFIN
HairyMaclairy
HCP
HeRetiK
hilariousetc
hugeblack
Husna QA
iasenko
ibminer
ICOEthics
Jet Cash
jojo69
joniboini
kenzawak
kirreev070
krogothmanhattan
Lafu
Last of the V8s
LeGaulois
LoyceV
Lutpin
marlboroza
Matthias9515
mdayonliner
mfort312
micgoossens
mikeywith
mjglqw
mole0815
morvillz7z
mu_enrico
nullCoiner
nutildah
o_e_l_e_o
pandukelana2712
paxmao
PHI1618
Piggy
Pmalek
poptop
pugman
r1s2g3
romanornr
roycilik
sabotag3x
seoincorporation
Smart man
sncc
Steamtyme
S_Therapist
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taikuri13
The Pharmacist
TheQuin
theyoungmillionaire
TMAN
tonych
Toxic2040
TryNinja
Tukang Becak
tvplus006
Veleor
vit05
vlad230
Xal0lex
xtraelv
Xynerise
yogg
zonefloor

Winners:

Code:
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Abdussamad
adaseb
Anon136
Biodom
BitcoinPenny
-ck
crackfoo
cryptohunter
Dabs
dbshck
DNotes
dooglus
DooMAD
EcuaMobi
EFS
eternalgloom
gbianchi
Globb0
goatpig
Hueristic
Ibian
jbreher
JimboToronto
Kakmakr
kano
kurious
marcus_of_augustus
mezzomix
Mitchell
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NLNico
NotFuzzyWarm
ocminer
odolvlobo
OmegaStarScream
owlcatz
Paashaas
phantastisch
ranochigo
RHavar
roslinpl
spartak_t
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STT
SyGambler
Sylon
TECSHARE
TheNewAnon135246
Timelord2067
toknormal
vapourminer
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