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March 02, 2019, 04:12:08 PM
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To be honest, as usual, CH makes a very long threads, but I felt really hard to catch his ideas.
I appreciated his time to compose those threads, but I strongly think that next time he should make shorter threads that should better concentrate on main ideas.




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March 02, 2019, 04:17:14 PM
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To be honest, as usual, CH makes a very long threads, but I felt really hard to catch his ideas.
I appreciated his time to compose those threads, but I strongly think that next time he should make shorter threads that should better concentrate on main ideas.

That is why I put the TLDR part.

However, it is essentially detailing the advantages of over 100 merits + 1500 activity over 250 earned merits.

These advantages are quite obvious but most people would rather resort to ad hominem fallacy and speculate incorrectly on my motives for this suggested upgrade so I have to spend a large part of my post defending of such false allegations.

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March 02, 2019, 04:24:34 PM
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I just checked CH's post history, and their last 50 PAGES of posts have been just spewing vitriol and hatred toward everybody and the system.

Thats (and Loyce back me up on my math here) 1,000 POSTS of how pissed off they are at the forum!

That is an unhealthy obsession if I ever saw one.

I really don't understand it.

What was CH doing here before they went off the rails? I really only noticed them after they started posting in Meta every single day.

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March 02, 2019, 04:28:38 PM
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I just checked CH's post history, and their last 50 PAGES of posts have been just spewing vitriol and hatred toward everybody and the system.

Thats (and Loyce back me up on my math here) 1,000 POSTS of how pissed off they are at the forum!

That is an unhealthy obsession if I ever saw one.

I really don't understand it.

What was CH doing here before they went off the rails? I really only noticed them after they started posting in Meta every single day.

Please can you stop derailing my post you dirty snake. Of course a scumbag like you that also happens to be an imbecile would not even dare debate the OP but try to weasel and snake into the thread with personal attacks and false accusations.

I see just another feltching ass kissing imbecile trying to come here to flagrantly break the local rules and derail.

It's called 1000 posts seeking a fairer system against entrenched beneficiaries of a broken and abused system in their own nest vipers. If you wish to debate it make your own thread can you not read my local rules?

Don't derail further or I request your posts removed.

Present a case for 250 merits vs 100 plus 1500 activity or fuck off.







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March 02, 2019, 04:33:21 PM
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Thats (and Loyce back me up on my math here) 1,000 POSTS of how pissed off they are at the forum!
Correct, a full kilopost!

Things went sideways when he exchanged the Altcoin boards for the cool boards.

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What was CH doing here before they went off the rails? I really only noticed them after they started posting in Meta every single day.
See his Untrusted feedback > 2014-03-15 eightspaces > "Angry kid annoying the hell out of forum members"
That's 5 years ago, the only thing that's changed is he left the boards where thousands of other spammers burry his posts.

Present a case for 250 merits vs 100 plus 1500 activity or fuck off.
Hang on, I'll get it for you Smiley

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March 02, 2019, 04:44:14 PM
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What was CH doing here before they went off the rails?

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March 02, 2019, 04:46:00 PM
Last edit: March 02, 2019, 07:00:45 PM by cryptohunter
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Thats (and Loyce back me up on my math here) 1,000 POSTS of how pissed off they are at the forum!
Correct, a full kilopost!

It went wrong when he exchanged the Altcoin boards for the cool boards.

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What was CH doing here before they went off the rails? I really only noticed them after they started posting in Meta every single day.
See his Untrusted feedback > 2014-03-15 eightspaces > "Angry kid annoying the hell out of forum members"
That's 5 years ago, the only thing that's changed is he left the boards where thousands of other spammers burry his posts.

It went right when I found DT members trying to bully an innocent person.

Then I found out about the snake pit of meta full of sig spamming merit cycling DT bullies that thought they could do what they like to whom they like when they like.

Sadly those days are done. You can for the moment still trust abuse and control the free speech of some however others that need not worry about some red trust can state facts and observable events at will.

Anyone opposing me is simply fighting against the formation of a fairer system for all. That is a FACT.

Anything that I have said or pushed for is to that one single aim. FACT.

Of course a fool like loyceV  who has one party trick copy and paste stats puke with MINOR analysis has more merit than satoshi is not going to like hearing the truth that merit is subjective garbage and his self made x2legendary status is a joke. I asked him for some of his achievements that have made any difference here and there was NOTHING. I asked for one insightful thought provoking post that would have big implications for this board or community again NOTHING.

So of course he is offended because I told him his merit score means nothing it is subjective political junk or stats copy and paste puked derived. How would anything change here one bit if we did not have 50 threads analysing how many cycled merits they all have and who abused it the most for their own ends. Who cares. Better to make the systems better so people here are guaranteed fair and equal treatment and free speech is once again given back to all members of this board who may not share the views or ideologies or agendas of DT and Merit cycling bullies.

ALSO the persons giving me these negative trust LoyceV the Absolute Imbecile  are SCAM pushers and liars who were pushing scams and lying there was no fucking instamine like your scum sucking pal LAUDA and the pharmacist and nutildah etc  ALL pushing scams for financial gain now all pushing for control for more selfish reasons. You are supporting them so you are just as bad.

So does that answer you mr self made cycled x2 legendary waste of space? I love how you pop up sniping once your pals do but NEVER dare debate anything with me one on one because the last times you tried it I demonstrated how fragile your mind is. Bring your debate here not you sniping and usual dumb shit like you just did. Yeah bring MORE negative trust from proven SCAM pumpers and protectors because I point out their scams. You do realise to anyone with any brains that are not corrupt scum that is like an endorsement for being a scam hunter and honest and fair member?

Now stop posting on this thread unless it is a sensible case for why 250 cycled shit merits is better than just 100 and 1500 activity.

I notice all the same "merit" cyclers here from the merit-merry-go-round.

Now back ON TOPIC

post your reasons loyce why you think 250 earned merits is better than 100 + 1500 activity or fuck off and copy more merit stats crap to merit board in your own threads.



 



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March 02, 2019, 05:17:42 PM
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post your reasons loyce why you think 250 earned merits is better than 100 + 1500 activity or fuck off and copy more merit stats crap to merit board in your own threads.

This would make sense if the activity was given for useful posts in a few limited sections of the forum. Until I not see than 1,000-1,500 bounty-reports or flooding not about than, better than 250 earned merit?

And if you make a limit of 100 merits, not 250 merits - it is easy to abuse. 2 Legendary account which could fill activity shitposting in sections off-topic and bounty (and who received 200 sMerit) will be sent from one account to another at 100 merits - and here you have 2 votes to vote.

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March 02, 2019, 06:07:17 PM
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Correct, a full kilopost!


I think you made a typo - shouldn't that be a killerpost?

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March 02, 2019, 08:14:36 PM
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post your reasons loyce why you think 250 earned merits is better than 100 + 1500 activity or fuck off and copy more merit stats crap to merit board in your own threads.

This would make sense if the activity was given for useful posts in a few limited sections of the forum. Until I not see than 1,000-1,500 bounty-reports or flooding not about than, better than 250 earned merit?

And if you make a limit of 100 merits, not 250 merits - it is easy to abuse. 2 Legendary account which could fill activity shitposting in sections off-topic and bounty (and who received 200 sMerit) will be sent from one account to another at 100 merits - and here you have 2 votes to vote.

This is a facts based post feel free to research it all yourself and let me know if you feel any of it is not correct.

We as yet have no definition of "useful post" of course if we can start making sure MERIT goes to net positive posts (which I attempted to start helping to initiate with the "what makes defines a net positive post " thread. That would be excellent and a real meritocracy could develop here. Although even good posts do not = trust in a financial sense to me anyway. I expect the very best and most dangerous scammers can present themselves very well here and make great posts far exceeding many honest members who will get a lot less merit even in a true meritocracy.

Activity is again useful for nothing really other than

1. a minimum measure of time to reach it
2. a minimum amount of activity within that time frame.

we must not apply any other meaning to it really. Time/activity though is an important factor in trust if we don't have direct trading experience with the person or can be sure they have conducted real trades with others.

I am not sure what 1500 or 2000 activity is possible in with optimal activity (minimal activity) perhaps 4 years. So let's just say that is true.

1. 4 years of history to examine
2. 4 years minimum to recover to that level if you get blacklisted for misuse of DT also will need to get the 100 earned merits all over again. I mean you could add another requirement saying hero and legends only for a greater penalty if you think you can bot to high activity and get some merit abuse to get to 100. Therefore the real earned merit once you get blacklisted to recover is going to be a LONG ROAD AHEAD.

100 earned merits (unless you are here cycling it on meta on the merit-merry-go-round is not something that is that easy. Some excellent members and FAR smarter members here have only 30 earned merits than 95% of all the top 200 merit holders. Also many of those have had far larger sums of money under their control and never scammed and always appeared squeaky clean. If they are part of alt communities or from the alt board at all then 100 earned merits  is likely to be worth x10 x20 x30 more than on meta board.

Also we are not saying who can be on DT we are saying who can hold the key nomination positions for DT. So others can be on the DT system anyway if nominated by them and meet the other threshold votes.

More persons or many more unconnected persons make it harder to collude and make it a fairer system. You do not want persons that all share the same merit circle and same political views with regard the board who are all familiar with each other and all posting to back each other up at any time one is singled out for legitimate criticism  -- who will not even look at a proven lie and admit it is a lie. Groups within those few  that have been implicated in the SAME SCAMS AND SCHEMES  working together...You could not really come up with a bunch that observably collude more that have more dirt on them than large swathes of DT1. To call it a decentralised TRUST system at this stage is quite strange and almost ironic. It's like anti trust system or anti christ system actually. Their main justification is they stop "other" scammers. Well fine but be nice to have it decentralised with some that are not proven liars,abusers of trust and greedy sneaky sock puppets shilling - - let's have a bunch of people that are totally unfamiliar with those people and not connected at all to hold them in check shall we if they are allowed to even stay there for now.

If you have collusion on the key positions the entire system collapses into a run away gang because there is nothing to keep them in check. However take that away from them and what you get is a system where DT will not abuse their position because unlike the gang we have now that will endorse and sanction the abuse or too scared to stand out from the gang... you will have a diverse group all much less giving a shit if they are part of the "gang" we have now and if they see abuse they will say fuck off that is abuse removed it or will will exclude you and also balance that red. They will also likely include other trust worthy persons and not just their proven ass kissers and acolytes.

There is simply no point having a decentralised system that starts completely centralised with a group of entrenched colluders (observably in many ways) and then you hand those colluders the key positions to nominate new persons and they also have the means (merit sources) to either recruit or withhold the threshold merits for others to join. So they can cherry pick who should be there or not. I mean it is obviously not going to work or it is ever going to work it will take a VERY long while.

Obviously it is a complex system and you would likely need a serious game theory boffin to create a self sustaining decentralised system that can maintain anything like a fair and equal posting environment whilst kicking off scammers in an optimal way. It may even be impossible on an anonymous forum where people can have multiple sock puppets.
However TIME can not be gamed so adding a minimum TIME penalty for discovered and obvious abuse it better than not having it surely and the fact that it will bring into these key positions persons not obviously already in the colluding gang we have now.

Merit is actually the key here DT is secondary now since Merit is trust too apparently.

Of course you need a specific mandate for both with clear and detailed criteria and definition for merit and trust. You also need strict and swift punishment for those ignoring this framework.  Just the threat of getting blacklisted or worse for abuse will be enough that it needs only a little correcting now and then.

Who will risk blacklisting of a 4 year old account and I say also sig ban for 3 years for abusing a position of trust and responsibility and in serious cases a ton of red for them too. That is pretty much like a ban for most greedy and selfish users.

Again anyone with proven dark incidents in their history that make them dishonest or likely to scam need to be blacklisted anyway. Why would you have persons in trust positions that are proven already untrustworthy it makes zero sense.

This is not about DT only the key nominating positions in DT. That is what is making it pseudo decentralised when really you could not have take a forum of this size and made it MORE centralised. Start examining their post histories, their merit fans recipients, the DT includes their DT EXCLUSIONS (even worse)  all their interactions on this board. This is a centralised pot of scum for the most part. DO some digging it is all there just put in some effort and examine their past histories.

You find them supporting some of the most unfair and scam like projects here, you will find them implicated in all kinds of extortion and other foul deeds, you will find them creating puppet accounts to spam for btc dust whilst lecturing others on financial shit posting. Supporting these kinds of people willingly whilst red trusting people for promoting "possible scams" unwilling to even say a proven lie is a lie. This is a host of scum I am telling you all. These are facts and are there in black and white.

Then go examine MY OWN entire post history you will find me NEVER scamming, NEVER being greedy , NEVER refusing to help others who are being bullied when i don't even know them, ALWAYS finding real scams and meeting them head on against tons of scammers and scam pumpers in public not hiding away snitching on them.. ALWAYS fighting for fairer distributions (see the huge arguments on Byteball when it launched i was the only person saying make it fairer for new people with no btc or not much btc)  ALWAYS sharing all my research on great projects with others BEFORE it goes up massively so others can benefit also from this research. Getting thanked my many for making them super wealthy in public and in PMs.

Here I am telling you to make the systems of control fairer so everyone gets equal opportunity and free speech is not crushed and I AM THE BAD GUY NOW?? OH REALLY? and I am just doing it all for my selfish gain you say??






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March 02, 2019, 08:24:47 PM
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I am not sure what 1500 or 2000 activity is possible in with optimal activity (minimal activity) perhaps 4 years.

This sums it up quite nicely. You don't know what "activity" is, you won't spend 5 minutes trying to figure it out, but you'll post walls after walls of text arguing for 2000+ activity simply because you got that much.

You might as well argue that to be in a "key position" (you still haven't explained what that is) one needs to have "crypto" in their username and more than 13424 posts.

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March 02, 2019, 08:32:02 PM
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When do we stop responding to cryptohunter’s walls of repetitive bull shit?

How about I propose a great new feature for the forum - Let’s all put him/her on ignore then he/she might either go away or at least start to post normally instead of going on & on & on & on about DT & decisions made by figures of authority here.

 

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March 02, 2019, 08:35:09 PM
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I am not sure what 1500 or 2000 activity is possible in with optimal activity (minimal activity) perhaps 4 years.

This sums it up quite nicely. You don't know what "activity" is, you won't spend 5 minutes trying to figure it out, but you'll post walls after walls of text arguing for 2000+ activity simply because you got that much.

You might as well argue that to be in a "key position" (you still haven't explained what that is) one needs to have "crypto" in their username and more than 13424 posts.

try to focus on the more important points rather than thrashing around looking for some minor irrelevant reason to post more net negative crap.... 4 years will do whatever activity you find that to be this is a general proposal ,  now if you can waste time working on a specific detail eg 1496 activity for example that can be adjusted to be 4 years or whatever is decided a long enough penalty then knock yourself out. I am in the sun typing between chapters of my book i don't have time for the non important minute stuff right now. Pathetic little twerp.

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When do we stop responding to cryptohunter’s walls of repetitive bull shit?

How about I propose a great new feature for the forum - Let’s all put him/her on ignore then he/she might either go away or at least start to post normally instead of going on & on & on & on about DT & decisions made by figures of authority here.

I had to unignore CH in order to report the repetitive bullshit to moderators... this was received about as well as you would expect but might be a better long-term strategy to reign the troll in.

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When do we stop responding to cryptohunter’s walls of repetitive bull shit?

How about I propose a great new feature for the forum - Let’s all put him/her on ignore then he/she might either go away or at least start to post normally instead of going on & on & on & on about DT & decisions made by figures of authority here.

I had to unignore CH in order to report the repetitive bullshit to moderators... this was received about as well as you would expect but might be a better long-term strategy to reign the troll in.

Says the skanky snitchy bitch suchmoon as she breaks my local rules and go into off topic false accusations with zero grounding. I reported your post for breaking my local rules let me see if the mod deletes it or NOT.

If it is  NOT deleted then I will wonder why my on topic and relevant posts containing FACTS and observable events WERE deleted when your false accusations with nothing on topic or relevant to the OP is NOT.

Present now then the posts I have made that contain incorrect information and "trolling" or stfu imbecile.

I am about to take my early lunch I will see what happens to your post and if it still exists there upon my return.

 

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ALWAYS fighting for fairer distributions (see the huge arguments on Byteball when it launched i was the only person saying make it fairer for new people with no btc or not much btc)  

Now that you mention it, this is how you first appeared on my radar.  You were that guy who literally wouldn't shut up about distribution.  Thing is, you might believe you're doing the honourable thing in situations like back then and also here in this topic now, but all these great injustices you perceive are not a valid excuse to constantly annoy the shit out of everyone because you aren't getting your own way.  It's just petulance.  Try being less of a control freak and accept that your opinion is not the only one.  

You act as though if people don't provide a justification which meets your approval for why the current trust settings are what they are, that it somehow invalidates the current system.  But what you might find is that it's not actually your call to make.  Some users are actually quite happy with how this new trust system is going and it's ultimately up to theymos if this is how we keep it or if it gets changed again. 

The onus is not on us to satisfy your requirements and justify the current system.  People have already demonstrated the effect it would have if we lost ~100 trust list "voters" and I'm quite content with their responses.  If you aren't content, well then that's just too bad.

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March 02, 2019, 09:07:32 PM
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 #77

ALWAYS fighting for fairer distributions (see the huge arguments on Byteball when it launched i was the only person saying make it fairer for new people with no btc or not much btc)  

Now that you mention it, this is how you first appeared on my radar.  You were that guy who literally wouldn't shut up about distribution.  Thing is, you might believe you're doing the honourable thing in situations like back then and also here in this topic now, but all these great injustices you perceive are not a valid excuse to constantly annoy the shit out of everyone because you aren't getting your own way.  It's just petulance.  Try being less of a control freak and accept that your opinion is not the only one.  

You act as though if people don't provide a justification which meets your approval for why the current trust settings are what they are, that it somehow invalidates the current system.  But what you might find is that it's not actually your call to make.  Some users are actually quite happy with how this new trust system is going and it's ultimately up to theymos if this is how we keep it or if it gets changed again.  

The onus is not on us to satisfy your requirements and justify the current system.  People have already demonstrated the effect it would have if we lost ~100 trust list "voters" and I'm quite content with their responses.  If you aren't content, well then that's just too bad.

LOL so you show up to tell me I am  the guy that would not shut up about the grossly unfair and stupid initial distribution of byteball ....... .haha that is a great ploy to discredit me here then. Thanks. Please feel free to show up and voice your rebuttals anytime that you like. I notice if you read that thread all the turds that pushed for the original distribution model came back crying it  WAS INDEED a terrible idea haha and screaming it was being perma dumped by the handful of whales that scooped it all on on the back of other peoples btc they were holding at the time Smiley

Yeah that proves you should never listen to what I say for sure.  That is exactly why you do NOT want a centralised narrow distribution of power. It crushed that project which was according to AM a novel and interesting one.

Thanks for that nice reference of me being both fair and wise.

Also your post is incorrect. I am telling you clearly that we should have a debate on which is better. I am waiting for 1 person to provide insight into why they think 250 earned merits is better over what I suggested.

I am still waiting.

Some users are happy. The people that benefit greatly from the broken systems of control. That is no reason not to improve them for a fairer environment for all.



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March 02, 2019, 09:18:46 PM
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why it would not be better to make it 100 earned merits + 1500 activity or even 2000 activity?

Some users are happy. The people that benefit greatly from the broken systems of control. That is no reason not to improve them for a fairer environment for all.

>Complains the "broken" system isn't "fair" enough
>Wants to skew the system entirely for his own benefit
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March 02, 2019, 09:24:40 PM
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why it would not be better to make it 100 earned merits + 1500 activity or even 2000 activity?

Some users are happy. The people that benefit greatly from the broken systems of control. That is no reason not to improve them for a fairer environment for all.

>Complains the "broken" system isn't "fair" enough
>Wants to skew the system entirely for his own benefit

Suchmoon is here (again) or is it huge black woman? I don't bother speaking to cowardly scum that dare not use their own account usually.

Now substantiate your claim else I will have it deleted you imbecile. Please read the entire thread first so as not to look more stupid and COWARDLY  than you already do you pathetic slobbering chicken shit.

What is your real account coward? I challenge you to reveal it or I will just refer to you as COWARD ...could you bunch sink any lower ....yuck!!

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March 02, 2019, 09:28:12 PM
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why it would not be better to make it 100 earned merits + 1500 activity or even 2000 activity?

Some users are happy. The people that benefit greatly from the broken systems of control. That is no reason not to improve them for a fairer environment for all.

>Complains the "broken" system isn't "fair" enough
>Wants to skew the system entirely for his own benefit

Yes, under the CH system, if satoshi himself ever returned, he'd have to post regularly for over two years to gain the activity necessary for a supervote. However, with the current system, satoshi already has 7 supervotes. (And I'm sure if he returned and started regularly posting, he'd have more merit than God in short order.)
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