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March 07, 2019, 09:13:04 AM
Last edit: March 07, 2019, 12:15:55 PM by Thule
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I'm tired of your endless unrational actions.
I mean its clearly to all members that you protect the abusers of that forum and give a shit if a legit account gets destroyed or not.
You claim its in the name of decentralisation but at the same time you gave the forum under a centralised power of a small group which i don't even wanna talk about anymore.
But the fact that these people use you for their manipulation so easily is just out of control.
You are punishing now high ranked members for plagiarism back from 2014.At that time noone cared about plagiarism.I mean copy paste of some important news from media to the community did everybody somewhere in the past.You would need to ban at least 3/4 of the forum if all these members would be reported since nearly everyone did something like that in the past if he participated on that forum for a longer time.

But what is most disgusting now is that you turned to get a weapon of suchmoon.Suchmoon clearly searched hard to find anything to attack that member who has over 10k posts and the only thing she could find were posts back from 2014 with some lines of plagiarism.She clearly searched for something which she could use to attack that member since which normal user would digg so deep in an account with so many posts and check posts made back in 2014 ?
Its a clear attack of suchmoon or the guy who reported that account.

Even DT members already posted that you turned to be the most strict forum on the internet.


Its really disgusting that you accept to get used as weapon against high ranked members as it should be also clear to you that noone healthy is checking 10k posts of somebody to find some plagiarism back from 2014 without having an agenda.
You are helping that agenda like you did in the past.
The abusers destroyed one more account in the name of the forum.Maybe you can explain to me how your temp ban and signature ban on that account for something from 2014 will improve the current forum?
The abusers just succeeded again to destroy one more legit account.



Myself i will back off since its a waste of time to fight for a forum where the admin itself is banning high ranked members for horseshit and at the same time asks how to increase the amount of quality posts.

Thats called being hypocritical .


My true opinion about you.
You as admin who allowed to destroy hundreds if not thousands of legit accounts on this forum and did nothing to protect these legit members on your forum from the abusers you put in charge with your shit DT trust system which is being massiv manipulated.

You don't deserve a good community.

But you can answer yourself one question why should high ranked members support that forum (other than gaining money) if their account can get banned or destroyed in seconds because of horseshit when posting ?
You demand the community to participate in the trust system but at the same time you allow to abuse people who try to change something.Who the fuck is going to try make changes when risking his account ?
You proofed already so many times that the abusers with false feedbacks have nothing to fear and that members who got abused are left alone with a destroyed account.
Also your hypocritical rules.You got rules on the forum for which people get tagged as trading scammers and you are fully aware of it.
YOU ARE THE GUY CREATING THESE KIND OF CONFLICTS telling as example in your rules buying an account is allowed and allow at the same time red tagging as scammer when buying an account.
Do you demand every member to read your DT consensus which is changing so many times?If yes why is there no rules posted about it ?
You clearly give horseshit about the individual and that was the main idea behind crypto that each individual will be treated the same.




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THEYMOS DO YOU ACCEPT THE FACT THAT LEGIT ACCOUNTS ARE GETTING DESTROYED ON THAT FORUM ? DO YOU SEE IT AS COLLATERAL DAMAGE ?

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March 07, 2019, 09:18:51 AM
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Out of curiosity, who are you?

I am correct to say that your intention is to make me look poorly, correct?

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March 07, 2019, 09:21:26 AM
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Have you reported any user for plagiarism? If yes then please mention on your post so admin will recheck again. If not, then I don't think you should blame to admin.

I believe admin care enough even regarding DT feedback's, not only about old members. Because I have received PM today from admin about a newbie feedback's and he gave me few suggestions as well (I don't like to share screenshots since it was personal message). So how I will believe that admin not care about his community? If there is obvious abuse then admin might be take care about it . But do you think is it possible that every feedback's will checked by admin ? I don't think so. On the other hand trust isn't moderated by forum you know very well.

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March 07, 2019, 09:24:53 AM
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I am correct to say that your intention is to make me look poorly, correct?
No i question theymos irrational actions and accuse him being responsible of the hundreds or thousands of legit destroyed accounts on that forum


Have you reported any user for plagiarism? If yes then please mention on your post so admin will recheck again. If not, then I don't think you should blame to admin.


I'm not an ill dick reporting plagiarism from 2014 to destroy legit accounts.

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March 07, 2019, 10:19:09 AM
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FFS Thule, stop this shit!


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March 07, 2019, 10:25:00 AM
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FFS Thule, stop this shit!




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March 07, 2019, 10:28:54 AM
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Why do you feel so passionate about somebody else’s account that you have no link to?
You’ve gone out of your way to criticise the guy who runs the forum, it’s not a good move buddy.

With a trust rating like yours I think you’re best to keep a low profile, keep out of peoples way, otherwise you’re going to make your time here even more uncomfortable.

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March 07, 2019, 10:51:56 AM
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I'm tired of your endless unrational actions.
I mean its clearly to all members that you protect the abusers of that forum and give a shit if a legit account gets destroyed or not.
You claim its in the name of decentralisation but at the same time you gave the forum under a centralised power of a small group which i don't even wanna talk about anymore.
But the fact that these people use you for their manipulation so easily is just out of control.
You are punishing now high ranked members for plagiarism back from 2014.At that time noone cared about plagiarism.I mean copy paste of some important news from media to the community did everybody somewhere in the past.You would need to ban at least 3/4 of the forum if all these members would be reported since nearly everyone did something like that in the past if he participated on that forum for a longer time.

But what is most disgusting now is that you turned to get a weapon of suchmoon.Suchmoon clearly searched hard to find anything to attack that member who has over 10k posts and the only thing she could find were posts back from 2014 with some lines of plagiarism.She clearly searched for something which she could use to attack that member since which normal user would digg so deep in an account with so many posts and check posts made back in 2014 ?
Its a clear attack of suchmoon or the guy who reported that account.

Even DT members already posted that you turned to be the most strict forum on the internet.



Exactly these group of people just hangin around in meta topics and sharing merits between themselves for bashing banned people or finding plagiarised posts.
These merits system turned to a aggressive tool in Meta forum , i barely see any merits givin away out side of meta section.

What was the purpose of merit system ? it was suppose to be "Meta forum rewards to being harsh and Find plagiarised posts" ?




@Theymos @Cyrus can you reconsider on permabans Rules ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044571.0

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March 07, 2019, 11:17:05 AM
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You’ve gone out of your way to criticise the guy who runs the forum, it’s not a good move buddy.

Seriously what have i to lose ?An account which got destroyed by some DT member abuse ?This account is dead for business with people i don't know.
Of course noone can show me a single scam accusation on my person or anybody claiming i cheated on him in the 6 years i'm on that forum but still i'm being marked as one of the worst scammer on that forum and why ?
Because i obey the forum rules and tried to buy an account which were allowed by the forum rules with no information that its being discouraged at that time and even had the permission of a forum mod to do so.
When complaining about the negative trust being called a scammer (because i checked rules and asked for mods permission via PM before trying to buy an account) i got flooded with negative trust from the abusers group who intentianly destroyed my account and defamed me.
So tell me what did i so bad that i as a longterm forum member deserve such a treatment and being marked as the worst scammer on that forum ?

I blame theymos on that cause he is the admin who allowed this kind of BS giving a fuck about individuals losing their accounts because of that shit.
I got a second time flooded with negative feedback for trying to change DT members to members i support.Even theymos said that its in his eye an abuse of the trust system what they did to me
wtf did changed ?NOTHING.I got still the negative ratings and the abusers give a fuck about it since there are no consequences.

So tell me what do i have to lose ?To get more false negative taggs ?
Destroying peoples longterm accounts because of horseshit will lead only to one thing that they will be forced to open new accounts and hide that fact or buy some accounts and to push them to violate rules which they don't want to do.





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With a trust rating like yours I think you’re best to keep a low profile, keep out of peoples way, otherwise you’re going to make your time here even more uncomfortable.
You think i give about more negative trust a fuck?What can happen ?My trust rating increasing from -200 to -500 ?
uncomfortable ?I doubt so i'm now uncomfortable for the abusers since they have nothing they can extort me anymore.


But if somebody can show me a single person i cheated on this forum to deserve that amount of negative trust will get $500 from me.



You wanna know why i used to love that forum ?
Because of mprep and his unoffical forum rules list.

It was a very smart list preventing that members will receive these kind of abuse.
But once the stupid DT experiments started hundreds of legit accounts got destroyed and being laughed as collateral


Something which would be never accepted in the old days which you demand back.
Even Mods of that forum openly admitted that there are accounts who got falsly destroyed by these DT members.
Did you saw one account being restablished by them?Because i didn't.

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March 07, 2019, 11:34:00 AM
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Thule, you were implicated in account selling. That thread where loads of you excluded trustworthy members to try & manipulate DT1 was untrustworthy too.

I think your best way of trying to repair your damaged rep is to reset your trust settings, apologise to anybody you’ve pissed off & probably more importantly stop creating threads which make yourself a target to get hated.

You probably can help your account but you’re not going to repair it like this.

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March 07, 2019, 11:48:23 AM
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Ofcourse theymos will allow these abusers to ramp here,he doesnt care about how most of the forum feels about these abusive people.Dont waste your time,i already given up this fight the admin itself cannot control these hierarchy,not him nor satoshi can handle this situation.

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Ofcourse theymos will allow these abusers to ramp here,he doesnt care about how most of the forum feels about these abusive people.Dont waste your time,i already given up this fight the admin itself cannot control these hierarchy,not him nor satoshi can handle this situation.

RIP BITCOINTALK.


I guess bitcointalk will survive if some members will part.
Maybe it become stronger and the focus will be again on development and technical topics than on selling, altcoin announcements and scamming.

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March 07, 2019, 11:58:50 AM
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Ofcourse theymos will allow these abusers to ramp here,he doesnt care about how most of the forum feels about these abusive people.Dont waste your time,i already given up this fight the admin itself cannot control these hierarchy,not him nor satoshi can handle this situation.

RIP BITCOINTALK.

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March 07, 2019, 12:03:21 PM
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Thule, you were implicated in account selling.

It was allowed by the forum rules.I even asked via PM a mod for permission to buy an account for a friend and got a positiv reply.
There were no info on the forum rules that account buys are discouraged at that time.
If you are on a forum and if you don't know if something is allowed where do you check if you can proceed or not ?Forum rules ?



So tell me who created the conflict ?Me beliving in the forum rules and reply of a Mod or an Admin having forum rules which are not in line with DT member consensus and allowing to get tagged as scammer for following forum rules and Mods decission ?


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That thread where loads of you excluded trustworthy members to try & manipulate DT1 was untrustworthy too.
Theymos clearly said that it was ok and red tagging for that was an abuse of the trust system.



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I guess bitcointalk will survive if some members will part.
Like i said legit members dumped as collateral.Something the old community would never accept.

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March 07, 2019, 12:24:31 PM
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I would not trust suchmoon at all.

1. she observably  "red trusts" persons for "supporting" a "possible" scam.
2. she then adds to her trust inclusions "proven" liars, proven trust abusers, proven sneaky racist trolling sig spamming puppet accounts and "possible" extortionists.
3. she excludes person who point out these untrustworthy persons past deeds and also attacks them in public.
4. she is a caustic bully and front man for liars and other untrustworthy scum.
5. she is NOT an excellent member at all unless those things make you excellent


she has observable double standards and is a caustic piece of shit to deal with. People accuse me of being caustic but if you retrace my history here in "merit board" i started off very civil and diplomatic but she is simply a total asshole to deal with and only responds to being treated as the sneaky bullying snitchy skank that she is.

Same for her colluding ass kissing "gang" which laughably they claim does not exist when anyone can see clearly they all slather each other in cycled merits, all included each other and many of them collude to exclude the same people and bunch together in any thread where one of them is called out for the shit they pull.

Trying to create a decentralised control system on an anonymous forum that crushes scammers and leaves free speech untouched and a board happy with the "decentralised" governance is likely IMPOSSIBLE.

I  mean even trying it risky but starting it off with people that are already proven to collude and also be VERY untrustworthy and quite likely to be scammers themselves is pure folly.

My opinion is that Theymos is overall GOOD but is willing to let some people get roughed up a bit by these goons. I speculate that he takes a machine like approach to making this board the environment crypto needs.

He notices these scumbags also happen to be very willing to spend hours trawling the board looking for "other scammers" to legitimize their claims to "power" (which is reward enough for most of them to motivate their efforts)  and to justify any "net negative" actions they take.

So he is thinking well let them help regulate the scammers and cheats here (although mostly it is whack a mole) and if there is a bit of collateral damage here then tough shit for now on those that get "unfairly" treated to a scam tag for standing up to their high handed double standards crap.

I mean in fairness to Theymos he just said scam tags are for scammers and for those strongly related to scamming. Guess what though the scumbags here don't give 1 fuck what he says because so far he is very slow to bring any actions at all to those that do not follow his guidelines. He is too relaxed. I mean THE SAME group implicated in an EXTORTION scheme suddenly act as a GROUP again to red trust someone who brings suggests persons examine their past history here to discover what they are really like. This is the OPPOSITE of what red trust is for. You cant have liars giving red trust to honest persons. That is fucking madness.

Also I think he has some kind of other highly paid job and probably does not research too deeply things that some of us that are anal about the forum are wise too. So he may not realised just how scummy and dirty the pasts of some of these merit sources and DT are.

To me anyone that says suchmoon is an "excellent" member needs to review her entire history here. She has always been a caustic little bully (or tries to be) and even now her "net positive" is far less than I believe he has miscalculated.

An excellent memeber should be

1.fair
2.honest
3.helpful
4.sticks up for the weakest
5.fights bullies
6.pushes for equality
7.puts the good of the forum before their own selfish personal financial gain.



Hanging only in meta can give a very distorted view of this board and the members on it. I have been a part of many many many communities and also spent many hours studying persons here and I say a lot of the best have left and most are now not posting much. What you are left with here in meta is a concentration of nobodies and big old nothing burgers.  Most have supported scams in the past for financial gain and have a history of bullying people. The rest are a bunch of noobs that are ass kissing these bullies and manipulators and adopting their politics so they can simply be granted access to PAID2POST at the levels their "masters" are.


Also Theymos is too easily coaxed by some others. I mean removing "politically motivated" merits was a terrible and unjust move the really does support your argument that he favours these scummy little dishonest bullying shits a bit too much. Most of their merit is politically motivated. I mean people like foxpoop and suchmoron seem to have endless merit to sprinkle to anyone that backs up their political agenda here.

Merit is the main issue here. Suchmoon seems determined to to enforce this broken nonsense and tell everyone that it is given to the "greatest posters" and most valuable who are therefore for some reason the most trustworthy??
However, then debunked her own argument by telling me " Good Poster or Bad Poster are MEANINGLESS terms without criteria and definition. So this MEANINGLESS nonsense is now the key to running the board and crushing free speech.

1. tighten the systems of control so they are transparent and treat every person fairly and equally
a/ mandate for merit and trust with strict criteria and punishment for breaking it
2. get rid of this notion of decentralised systems and just go back to a THEYMOS elected DT and do not give merit any use except for stopping account farmers. That is all it is useful for at this point and it should be decoupled from rank after snr rank. I mean after taking all this hassle to reach snr then if you start spamming and abusing it will be a big risk to have it banned or all of your merits deleted.

I am not so ungrateful for the things this board has given me and what has started here to say anything really negative about theymos, but really he does need to investigate much more deeply into the pasts of the people his systems are enabling to grab power here. Also the implications of such abused systems for the future free speech of this board. They clearly motivate an echo chamber and punish dissenting views. There can be no sensible argument against this."

It is possible he has worked out the "long" game here where these systems will eventually start to show some kind of self regulating however I do not see it unless you make 100's of new merit sources totally disconnected from the "meta gang" and soon. The 250 cycled merits threshold and those infesting the key positions to me say the system could not have had a worse start.

I am still very hopeful about the forum long term. I just think we need a bit of a wake up call before the entrenchment of bad eggs gets a little too deep and unassailable.

Merit was useful but now we are trying to build skyscrapers upon foundations that were originally developed for mud huts. Stick to using it for keeping away account farmers only and cut it off after snr.  There is little meaning to it so let's not fool ourselves it is some kind of objective metric with universal meaning including being trustworthy. It is ludicrous.


That thread where loads of you excluded trustworthy members to try & manipulate DT1 was untrustworthy too.


Not true. Ridding the system of proven liars and other untrustworthy scum is not untrustworthy in itself. That is simply not true.
Actually a decentralised system requires exactly this type of action to keep things in check. To immediately remove their merits and take away one merit source who actually stands out from "the gang" is an act to crush any real attempt at decentralisation. Suchmoons suggestion I note. More snitching from that turd. Always all coaxing and servile when addressing Theymos I notice what a little snake.


TLDR - Theymos is likely trying to do good -- but he needs to realise starting off a decentralised experiment with proven untrustworthy scum entrenched deep inside the trust system and fully weaponized with more ammunition (merits) to hold off their opposition and other honest members who speak out against them is a DREADFUL  start.  The systems are wide open to abuse, provide incentive and motivation for abusing.
I worry more about general free speech here in future.

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Thule, you were implicated in account selling.

It was allowed by the forum rules.I even asked via PM a mod for permission to buy an account for a friend and got a positiv reply.
There were no info on the forum rules that account buys are discouraged at that time.
If you are on a forum and if you don't know if something is allowed where do you check if you can proceed or not ?Forum rules ?

So tell me who created the conflict ?Me beliving in the forum rules and reply of a Mod or an Admin having forum rules which are not in line with DT member consensus and allowing to get tagged as scammer for following forum rules and Mods decission ?

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That thread where loads of you excluded trustworthy members to try & manipulate DT1 was untrustworthy too.
Theymos clearly said that it was ok and red tagging for that was an abuse of the trust system.


So, it will okay if I buy an account from a friend because he needs money to buy food his kid which was 2 years old. Meanwhile, he doesn't have money at all.
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tl;dr? Am I still allowed to exist here or what?

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So, it will okay if I buy an account from a friend because he needs money to buy food his kid which was 2 years old. Meanwhile, he doesn't have money at all.

Ask suchmoon as she bought this way an account where i'm the only one tagging that account where she demanded from all DT members to remove their taggs even that account was offered for sale and later sold.


But since your first intention was to bash my post i would recommend to re-read my post since comparing apples to pears doesn't make you look good.


Just to summarise.....
Suchmoon bought in 2018 an account and noone (buyer,seller,sold account) got a red tagg even he tried to sell that account without informing anyone about it.
Myself i just tried to buy in 2017 an account were forum rules allowed it and got the permission from a mod and got my account destroyed

So now someone explains to me why the diffrences of action of these DT members please.


The account she bought
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=349097

seller didn't received a single tagg.
suchmoon bought the account where rules clearly states now that buying accounts is discouraged .
So if i buy today an account and say the name of the account that it will be in my possesion it will be legit now ?
If so! i haven't bought any account so why did i received red taggs in the first place ?


Double standard heh ?



And to theymos some final words shame on you for letting them destroy my and many other people accounts who really contributed to that forum in the past and  didn't scammed anyone.

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You’ve gone out of your way to criticise the guy who runs the forum, it’s not a good move buddy.

Seriously what have i to lose ?An account which got destroyed by some DT member abuse ?This account is dead for business with people i don't know.
Of course noone can show me a single scam accusation on my person or anybody claiming i cheated on him in the 6 years i'm on that forum but still i'm being marked as one of the worst scammer on that forum and why ?
Because i obey the forum rules and tried to buy an account which were allowed by the forum rules with no information that its being discouraged at that time and even had the permission of a forum mod to do so.
When complaining about the negative trust being called a scammer (because i checked rules and asked for mods permission via PM before trying to buy an account) i got flooded with negative trust from the abusers group who intentianly destroyed my account and defamed me.
So tell me what did i so bad that i as a longterm forum member deserve such a treatment and being marked as the worst scammer on that forum ?

This is the result of having unwritten rules and no standards for rating. People want to follow the rules (usually) but if they aren't actually written down then how exactly are they supposed to follow them? This is a well known precedent in law, that in order to convict some one of a law it has to be available to the public for review, for this exact reason. Since the rules are not written what we have instead is a patchwork of OCD vigilantes looking to increase their own profiles by throwing a few hundred people under the bus whether they deserved it or not. They are free to interpret the unwritten rules as widely as possible.

They don't have any standards, no proof needed, it is just a matter of convincing enough people to not be called out on it. Even if some one wanted to call them out on it they would simply be dismissed, much like everyone is doing here. Then of course the user gets increasingly frustrated and more vocal as anyone accused of a crime they did not commit would. You poo poo the annoyance of all the threads while never legitimately addressing any of these people then wonder why they never shut up. Because you are fueling them by being dismissive retards.

I too find these posts annoying, I find it annoying to have to post them myself some times, but just because you find it annoying doesn't mean it does not serve a purpose. Theymos thinks having no official rules is helpful some how. He is wrong. I sympathize with his intent, but the result is worse than what he is trying to avoid by not having set rules. The presence of these kind of threads is continual proof of it.


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March 07, 2019, 02:51:50 PM
Merited by TMAN (10), Foxpup (3), fronti (1), LoyceV (1)
 #20

I'm not keeping up with the cryptohunter drama, nor have i read the thread, but i just felt to point this out;

It's really sad to see that all of these threads/posts complaining about the state of the forum basically boil down to typing down as much as you can.

@Thule @Cryptohunter, do you seriously think ANYONE is still keeping up with the walls of garbage you're writing down?

Half of the forum is illiterate/can't speak basic english. You really think this is the best way to get your point across?



At this point: No one cares. The world nor the forum revolves around you.

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