cryptohunter does have some valid points in his discussion , but the way he presents his ideas is just annoying, it's like when you wrap a gift in a dirty cloth, and you try to rub it in everybody's face 3 times a day for a whole month.
i am sure most members would have taken this discussion more seriously if it was brought up by another member who has better communication/writing skills.
I think what cryptohunter wants is a shift of voting power , that's a legit request, but we first need to know "what is the problem you are trying to solve ? "
see, if you can't convince us that there is actually a problem, then this is a problem to begin with.
here is what i consider serious problems that everyone with a bit of logic and ethics would stand up for a major change in DT system.
1- a good number of known scammers are not being tagged.
2- an abuse by a large number of DT members , like giving a positive feedback for scammers.
3- DT member/s taking bribes to look the other way.
These are some major issues that would really need a whole change of plans, but non of these is currently valid.
Now let us discus the real issues we have , and here is what i think.
1- some DT members "misuse" the trust system and use it on things that have nothing to do with trust ! .
notice how i typed the word "misuse" there, it stands for what I personally think, but this does not mean my view is the ultimate guide for everybody else, some people think you can be tagged for using the word "Lemon", i have always sided your statements when it comes to this particular point.
but why do i think you are wrong now ? because even if you were to bring a whole fresh list of new DT members, the same problem will still present itself unless theymos manually monitors DT feedback after having stated a complete set of rules.
another thing that you seem to be missing, is that the number of merit does not really represent trustworthiness, but it's more or less an indication of some validity/accuracy related to the user's vote.
Since this is the only real attempt on THE ENTIRE THREAD at a debate then I will answer this after I have a few more hours sleep. I only woke up for a snack now going back to bed. However it is sad to see you capitulated to sig spamming with the rest in the same campaign as most of the meta-merit gang.
However I will still answer your points whilst ignoring the thrashing around of the other morons and snakes here. I notice actually this sirizamouth is a suchmoon pal from some time back now. Funny it should rear its head in meta so often lately. I guess they need to summon all the swamp creatures to the battle that they can muster now that I am here to drain this filthy pit.
So anyway yes I got some sleep but I was distracted my loyceV posting a link to "his" new thread where he decided to place the basis for his opinion rather than on here along with some false claims regarding my motive and also I believe specious conclusions on the upgraded system. So i needed to defend those claims although apparently I am not allowed to post there to defend myself. Anyway so on to the answers.
problems...
"1- a good number of known scammers are not being tagged.
2- an abuse by a large number of DT members , like giving a positive feedback for scammers.
3- DT member/s taking bribes to look the other way."
well how about
1 - innocent persons speaking the truth about wrong doing getting their accounts red tagged
2 - other innocent persons that see this need to think and worry about themselves speaking "the truth"
3. DT members with provable dirt and untrustworthy actions on their histories punishing others for the same or lesser deeds - this just will not be tolerated by people and causes resentment and anger.
4. DT members sanctioning and not attempting to reverse observable and provable abuse
5. DT members willingly and knowingly including and supporting proven liars and greedy devious financially motivated puppet account users... this is widespread abuse of trust positions.
The worst part of the entire thing and a problem that nobody can even deny is the problem I described in the thread of the year. It is that the system motivates selfish gaming of a wide open system with no punishment allowing more entrenched and untouchable control. This is undeniable.It is undeniable that free speech is hugely vulnerable as they operate right now.
If you go back and study that thread you will understand far more. You can not use anecdotal and personal experiences to understand fully the mechanisms of systems that you operate within.
I mean do you think it is coincidence that all of these DT and merit sources that openly collude are spamming the same sigs?
It is not a matter of increasing key position numbers, it is a matter of making sure collusion does not take place between them because they you do not have decentralisation. This is very important to understand.
I do not think LoyceV simulations are correct anyway since of course trust lists will change when/if the trust mechanisms change.
I mean I totally advocate other sensible rules for key positions like - no observable dirty deeds in your past at all. Anything related to financial greed or deception or scamming. Why would anyone accept these people even in DT at all?
If I said to you "I think it is terrible that you swear at other members and call them names like spoiled petulant child mikey" and told you I will report you.
I guarantee the first thing you would say back to me from pure human instinct is " well how come you think you can do it cryptohunter?" I think it is double standards you do it but seek to punish me.
This is why it will cause a lot of trouble to have anyone with a dirty past giving out red.
I mean I see The pharmacist aka huge black woman just the other day lecturing people and saying " oh yeah 2017 was terrible for puppet accounts spamming sigs everywhere" I mean how the fuck is it possible for persons busted for this themselves to think they can then lecture others for doing the same thing. It is completely insane.
I see lauda telling people they are liars (including me although he could not present one lie EVER) he called me it 3x and could not present anything. I say if you keep saying that I will encourage others to examine his post history where he is a proven liar and BOOM red trust for being a threatening person. LOL This is fucking insane other DT condone sanction and support this person on DT and give him a key position. YOu tell me there is no problems right now?
Tman admits " i can I will and I just have given red trust for me presenting facts and observable events? this fool is still DT and getting support.
I tell Tman remove that red trust else because if not then I will point out this trust abuse (that you admitted in black and white) forever . BOOM their known PAL YOGG slaps some more red trust because telling a person to undo their abuse right now or else you will report it to everyone at every opportunity is actually blackmail.
So if someone grabs your phone out of your hand on the bus tomorrow and you say give it back now
or else i will report you to the cops.... you are a blackmailer and you will be the criminal. Presumably made to use your 1 phone call from jail to call up "the thief" on his nice new phone and say sorry for being a blackmailer.
LOL this bunch are clearly who should be in positions of trust. I mean it is all working great atm no need for changes at all.
Only in meta do the powers that be think this is completely normal and acceptable practice.
