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Last edit: March 27, 2019, 01:55:07 PM by nutildah Merited by Welsh (10), suchmoon (9), Flying Hellfish (5), malevolent (4), ICOEthics (4), LoyceV (2), DdmrDdmr (2), xandry (1), stompix (1), lovesmayfamilis (1), logfiles (1), tmfp (1), Last of the V8s (1), Crypto-DesignService (1) |
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I've identified 25 different bump bots that are likely all owned and operated by the same person. Matching the bumping behavior with the description of a Fiverr service, I've managed to uncover the exact party offering the service. Here is a screenshot of what the service offers:  Here are the accounts connected, all of which have commented multiple times in the same 10 ANN threads (and 1 bounty thread): Profile Rank ViktoriiaVel Newbie FominTiu Newbie Dievarric Newbie adidasler444 Jr. Member Bitkotname Jr. Member BTC_Panther Jr. Member BTCReporting Jr. Member cas33 Jr. Member CiNik Jr. Member DarkSoul1 Jr. Member Kirand Jr. Member opsofsile1983 Jr. Member Quersamine Jr. Member Quesdex Jr. Member Roksalana Jr. Member sofaflesh Jr. Member sound Jr. Member Stnev89 Jr. Member TimurBit Jr. Member ytaevv Jr. Member tor9 Member ZloiRediska Member Julia1992 Full Member Tryam93 Full Member VAGR Full Member KnyazED Sr. Member Threads being bumped (there's at least 4 more associated, but these are the top 10): 🔥🔥[ANN][ICO]AMANPURI – Ultimate exchange – PRIVATE SALE🔥🔥 [BOUNTY][ICO] FORTFC - UNIQUE CRYPTOLIQUIDITY AGGREGATOR[ANN] [ICO] TecraCoin (TCR) | PoW/PoSe - Hi-Tech Patented Technologies[ANN] QUSD (QUSD) Low-Volatility Stablecoin "QUSD token" [OFFICIAL][ANN]⭐ EVOS coin [Hybrid POW+POS+MN] ⭐ New EcoSystem for MN world⭐🔥🔥🔥[ANN][Smart Contracts] [LOTTO&Games][GFR][GoldenFever][ANN] Sound Money Coin (SOV). A new King is in town.🔥📢[ANN][POS+MN] PACT coin for freelancing 👩💼 platform🚀CryptoBridge/GRAVIEX🚀[ANN] Cryptohr.net 🚀 - decentralized cryptocurrency HR database[ANN] [PoS/MASTERNODE] ⚡️ IEX - Internal exchange coin ⚡️ PRESALE MN / STAKINGThe same team was also hired to bump the Ethereum Classic Vision coin, which appears to have been a scam (some of those accounts have been red tagged or banned). Here's a spreadsheet showing which members commented in which thread. Most Jr. Member accounts received exactly 1 merit, and there are at least 4 cases of merit abuse (shown in bold in the Merited By column). There's likely other merit abuse going on but I haven't looked to deeply into connecting the accounts yet.  As you can see, projects like GoldenFever and EVOS subscribed to the Premium package, projects like SoundMoney and PACT subscribed to the Standard package, and projects like CryptoHR and IEX subscribed to the Basic package. All told, we're talking about literally hundreds of spam comments being posted a day by either one person or the same group of people. Just one- or two-line, asinine conversations with themselves all day long, day after day. I know the team originates from Russia because several of them comment regularly in the Russian Local board. These accounts should all be banned for spam.In the long run, it would be interesting if statistics showed that projects which hired bump bot services were more likely to be scams, which I feel is probably the case. Its worth noting that many of them also participate in bounties so there's a strong possibility that bounty cheating is going on as well. Feel free to dig into them on an individual level if you'd like! |
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lovesmayfamilis
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nutildah (OP)
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March 14, 2019, 11:24:21 AM |
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Thanks Loyce! I don't know how you do that, writing queries to isolate certain data and put it in a report or something, but I like it.
There's probably close to 40 profiles involved.
I would prefer to go after users of rank Member to Senior Member, as I know those are more costly and would put a dent in their pocketbook. I'm going to focus on the merit abuse aspect as that's seemingly stronger grounds for a ban than spamming at this point.
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Tryam93
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March 14, 2019, 11:32:58 AM |
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I have nothing to do with the above service. I never wrote in scam projects, and if I wrote something, I did not know that it was scam. I am ready to stop writing posts for the sake of saving an account.
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nutildah (OP)
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March 14, 2019, 12:02:39 PM |
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I have nothing to do with the above service. I never wrote in scam projects, and if I wrote something, I did not know that it was scam. I am ready to stop writing posts for the sake of saving an account.
You've commented in 7/10 threads mentioned above, as well as received a merit by another account mentioned in the ring. Your last 80 posts (sans your most recent one in this thread) are ALL in the threads mentioned above! The statistical odds of you being some random account not associated with this bumping service are so close to zero that it can safely be rounded down to zero. Just like you mentioned in one of your posts, in which you are responding to another bumping service account (you almost never respond to non-associated accounts, unless it is the starter of the thread): Although there are those that even good advertising does not help. Here it happens that you go to the project site and there ...... everything is clear that everything is sad!
Good advertising always helps. Just there are two types of advertising. It is cheap and expensive. |
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Tryam93
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March 14, 2019, 12:14:03 PM |
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I have nothing to do with the above service. I never wrote in scam projects, and if I wrote something, I did not know that it was scam. I am ready to stop writing posts for the sake of saving an account.
You've commented in 7/10 threads mentioned above, as well as received a merit by another account mentioned in the ring. Your last 80 posts (sans your most recent one in this thread) are ALL in the threads mentioned above! The statistical odds of you being some random account not associated with this bumping service are so close to zero that it can safely be rounded down to zero. Just like you mentioned in one of your posts, in which you are responding to another bumping service account (you almost never respond to non-associated accounts, unless it is the starter of the thread): Although there are those that even good advertising does not help. Here it happens that you go to the project site and there ...... everything is clear that everything is sad!
Good advertising always helps. Just there are two types of advertising. It is cheap and expensive. I wrote paid messages, but not from this service. When offered to write posts in scam projects, I refused. What is wrong with what I write on the forum? I will no longer write in these projects. In the future, my posts will be constructive and on the topic. Unless of course I manage to keep my account from the ban. |
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suchmoon
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March 14, 2019, 12:28:09 PM |
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I wrote paid messages, but not from this service. When offered to write posts in scam projects, I refused. What is wrong with what I write on the forum? I will no longer write in these projects. In the future, my posts will be constructive and on the topic. Unless of course I manage to keep my account from the ban.
Who paid you to write those posts? |
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nutildah (OP)
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March 14, 2019, 12:30:40 PM |
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I wrote paid messages, but not from this service. When offered to write posts in scam projects, I refused. What is wrong with what I write on the forum? I will no longer write in these projects. In the future, my posts will be constructive and on the topic. Unless of course I manage to keep my account from the ban.
What you said about not posting for scam projects isn't quite true:  Though you may not have known Ethereum Classic Vision was a scam at the time, it was. I'm not sure if you were outsourced by the owner of the Fiverr service but you are still technically part of their service. It didn't seem suspicious to you at all that you were helping the same accounts spam the same topics over and over again? You've been doing it for months. You also merited another member of the ring... https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=sofafleshYou gave them their only merit. Why would you do that if you're not a part of it? |
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Tryam93
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March 14, 2019, 12:52:11 PM |
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Who paid you to write those posts?
I was contacted via telegram. Then they deleted their accounts. You gave them their only merit. Why would you do that if you're not a part of it?
I do not know why I gave him merit. I just do not remember when it was and why. |
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LoyceV
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March 14, 2019, 01:38:32 PM |
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I do not know why I gave him merit. I just do not remember when it was and why. I remember the "when": |
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nutildah (OP)
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March 14, 2019, 01:44:43 PM |
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I do not know why I gave him merit. I just do not remember when it was and why. I remember the "when": Loyce you made have noticed this already but he's also merited tor9, another member of the ring, and Vangardo, who merited other members. Its complicated but I think this thread contains everything the mods need to know to confirm merit abuse (at least among members mentioned in my list)... Any reason I should hold off on reporting? |
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Tryam93
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March 14, 2019, 02:18:40 PM |
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Loyce you made have noticed this already but he's also merited tor9, another member of the ring, and Vangardo, who merited other members. Its complicated but I think this thread contains everything the mods need to know to confirm merit abuse (at least among members mentioned in my list)... Any reason I should hold off on reporting?
What kind of violation are you talking about? There are thousands of sellers on the forum. You are trying to judge me for merits sent over six months ago. I often see how legendary members send merit absolutely not deservedly. I am sure that most of the received merit are purchased. |
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suchmoon
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March 14, 2019, 02:20:30 PM |
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Who paid you to write those posts?
I was contacted via telegram. Then they deleted their accounts. Very convenient. I mean who among us doesn't get randomly contacted via telegram to participate in sketchy schemes. Or you could be one of the organizers of this "service" now trying to salvage a high-ranked account. I think I'll stick with this version unless you want to spill all details, like TX IDs, messages, etc. Loyce you made have noticed this already but he's also merited tor9, another member of the ring, and Vangardo, who merited other members. Its complicated but I think this thread contains everything the mods need to know to confirm merit abuse (at least among members mentioned in my list)... Any reason I should hold off on reporting?
Report them as spammers with proof of paid-for bumping... mods won't care much about merit abuse. |
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LoyceV
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March 14, 2019, 02:21:11 PM |
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I think this thread contains everything the mods need to know to confirm merit abuse (at least among members mentioned in my list)... Any reason I should hold off on reporting? Merit abuse isn't moderated, unless there's a Merit source involved. |
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nutildah (OP)
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March 14, 2019, 02:29:22 PM |
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Loyce you made have noticed this already but he's also merited tor9, another member of the ring, and Vangardo, who merited other members. Its complicated but I think this thread contains everything the mods need to know to confirm merit abuse (at least among members mentioned in my list)... Any reason I should hold off on reporting?
What kind of violation are you talking about? There are thousands of sellers on the forum. You are trying to judge me for merits sent over six months ago. Users do get banned for merit abuse, but I want to be as sure that's what happened as possible before I submit a report on you. Edit: OK maybe just merit sources get their privileges removed. I saw somebody who was complaining about being banned for merit abuse on Meta the other day, thats why I said this. I often see how legendary members send merit absolutely not deservedly.
Arguably correct. It is rather subjective. However, it would be quite a coincidence if 6/9 merit you received and 8/9 merit you sent were to profiles mentioned above. If you had sent and received, lets say 100 merits, then the coincidence wouldn't be nearly as shocking. But 6/9 merit you sent were to fellow bumpers and 2/9 were to a profile who sent them to other bumpers. Thus the case for merit abuse is pretty strong. I am sure that most of the received merit are purchased.
 ... And how much do you think the going rate for a merit among Legendaries is? How much do you think I've spent for merits, for example? I really want to know. Report them as spammers with proof of paid-for bumping... mods won't care much about merit abuse.
OK will do, thanks. |
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March 14, 2019, 02:42:45 PM |
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I've identified 25 different bump bots that are likely all owned and operated by the same person. Matching the bumping behavior with the description of a Fiverr service, I've managed to uncover the exact party offering the service. Here is a screenshot of what the service offers: Here are the accounts connected, all of which have commented multiple times in the same 10 ANN threads (and 1 bounty thread): Profile Rank ViktoriiaVel Newbie FominTiu Newbie Dievarric Newbie adidasler444 Jr. Member Bitkotname Jr. Member BTC_Panther Jr. Member BTCReporting Jr. Member cas33 Jr. Member CiNik Jr. Member DarkSoul1 Jr. Member Kirand Jr. Member opsofsile1983 Jr. Member Quersamine Jr. Member Quesdex Jr. Member Roksalana Jr. Member sofaflesh Jr. Member Stnev89 Jr. Member ytaevv Jr. Member TimurBit Jr. Member tor9 Member ZloiRediska Member Julia1992 Full Member Tryam93 Full Member VAGR Full Member KnyazED Sr. Member Threads being bumped (there's at least 4 more associated, but these are the top 10): 🔥🔥[ANN][ICO]AMANPURI – Ultimate exchange – PRIVATE SALE🔥🔥[BOUNTY][ICO] FORTFC - UNIQUE CRYPTOLIQUIDITY AGGREGATOR[ANN] [ICO] TecraCoin (TCR) | PoW/PoSe - Hi-Tech Patented Technologies[ANN] QUSD (QUSD) Low-Volatility Stablecoin "QUSD token" [OFFICIAL][ANN]⭐ EVOS coin [Hybrid POW+POS+MN] ⭐ New EcoSystem for MN world⭐🔥🔥🔥[ANN][Smart Contracts] [LOTTO&Games][GFR][GoldenFever][ANN] Sound Money Coin (SOV). A new King is in town.🔥📢[ANN][POS+MN] PACT coin for freelancing 👩💼 platform🚀CryptoBridge/GRAVIEX🚀[ANN] Cryptohr.net 🚀 - decentralized cryptocurrency HR database[ANN] [PoS/MASTERNODE] ⚡️ IEX - Internal exchange coin ⚡️ PRESALE MN / STAKINGThe same team was also hired to bump the Ethereum Classic Vision coin, which appears to have been a scam (some of those accounts have been red tagged or banned). Here's a spreadsheet showing which members commented in which thread. Most Jr. Member accounts received exactly 1 merit, and there are at least 4 cases of merit abuse (shown in bold in the Merited By column). There's likely other merit abuse going on but I haven't looked to deeply into connecting the accounts yet. As you can see, projects like GoldenFever and EVOS subscribed to the Premium package, projects like SoundMoney and PACT subscribed to the Standard package, and projects like CryptoHR and IEX subscribed to the Basic package. All told, we're talking about literally hundreds of spam comments being posted a day by either one person or the same group of people. Just one- or two-line, asinine conversations with themselves all day long, day after day. I know the team originates from Russia because several of them comment regularly in the Russian Local board. These accounts should all be banned for spam.In the long run, it would be interesting if statistics showed that projects which hired bump bot services were more likely to be scams, which I feel is probably the case. Its worth noting that many of them also participate in bounties so there's a strong possibility that bounty cheating is going on as well. Feel free to dig into them on an individual level if you'd like! cryptocurrency success will be in the future defined by spam and attention hacks i have in my project telegram channel constantly spam from american icos. although i am not asking for it. |
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lovesmayfamilis
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