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March 16, 2019, 03:54:54 AM
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I still do not get the logical reason, it seems a really sick person, the way he did everything, I do not know how to classify him among the thin line of Terrorista-Sick.

I think that this type of acts should never be forgiven. New Zealand is a very quiet country, it has always stood out for being very peaceful. In the first world countries this type of deplorable acts usually occur.

When I saw the video, I thought it was a publication extracted from DeepWeb, I really think that we should start with a strong policy against the possession of weapons in people, their controls should be much stricter.

 
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March 16, 2019, 04:49:14 AM
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I still do not get the logical reason, it seems a really sick person, the way he did everything, I do not know how to classify him among the thin line of Terrorista-Sick.

I think that this type of acts should never be forgiven. New Zealand is a very quiet country, it has always stood out for being very peaceful. In the first world countries this type of deplorable acts usually occur.

When I saw the video, I thought it was a publication extracted from DeepWeb, I really think that we should start with a strong policy against the possession of weapons in people, their controls should be much stricter.

This is exactly the response I expect the shooter intended to have. They want people to beg to have their freedoms taken from them. The shooters weapons were obtained legally. So much for gun control working.


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March 16, 2019, 05:46:25 AM
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The situation that is defined by the shooter in manifesto, this is going in many other more countries. Sweden, Iceland and many small countries that are calm and quite are facing same issue. These people come as refugee and goes on multiplying at huge pace. This is anything new man. World need to watch this and take necessary action.
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March 16, 2019, 07:02:47 AM
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It's clear that a few evil lunatics managed to find each other. The fact that the video shooter guy said "subscribe to PewDiePie" and then said "Hi Felix" at the end of the video lets me know he was assuredly crazy. Sane people just don't do that kind of stuff for attention, or to make a point. It takes a complete lack of compassion to be able to do what that guy did -- obviously his brain is missing parts or severely malfunctioning as is the case with any psychopath.

What sucks is, and as I have already seen on this forum and social media in general, some Westerners are now lumping all Muslims together with their worst representatives and using "we are at war" as an excuse to justify the massacre and a hatred for _all Muslims_. These people did nothing to nobody, and were never going to. I interact with Muslims on a near daily basis and they're human beings just like anybody else. Some are good, some are bad.

Without trying to sound like a suckup I thought theymos' explanation of the situation was very poignant and succinct. We shouldn't give these guys what they wanted, which is an increased amount of division, hatred and distrust.

Find the strength to be empathetic, as empathy is one of our most human traits. I'm certainly hoping the clerks that work at the immigration office here will when I go pick up my visa next week.

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March 16, 2019, 11:30:03 AM
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I have watched the video, the live stream of the killer and I was so much sad for the family of the people who died in the incident. Ain't know what is the real motive of the killer but I think he just hates Muslims and is a psycho who was addicted to online video games. It is really sad and would affect the whole e-Sports industry because of the incident.`




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March 16, 2019, 12:43:02 PM
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in the Brazilian media, some articles have reported that one of the terrorists had made money by investing in cryptocurrencies. Has anyone even read or researched this? I have not seen any proof of this in other articles. Although I have read few. I believe that for all the sensationalism that usually involves subjects related to Bitcoin, I do not doubt that the media will begin to explore this.
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I’m Turk and I live in Turkey. I don't understand why Europeans accept non-white and muslim refugees in their own countries. My grandfather was a soldier in the Ottoman Empire. Sometimes we don't even want to live with some radical Muslims. They don’t respect your culture and live their culture in your country. If you don’t want to live like Europeans, why did you immigrate to Europe. And know that. When they raise population of muslims in your country, they want to change your life style. Stop accepting non-white or radical refugees. Such attacks are just the beginning. It is sad but different cultures can’t live together. Defend Europe

Sad, if ever this will happen to your country and the only thing you could do is to be migrated and the world will not accept you because you are a turk then  you might probably understand how it feels to defend their lands by having no Turks in their place. You can't even understand why they are actually doing it to you just because of having the nationality you have not control off. By that type of thinking you and the suspect has the same perspective towards immigrants and Muslims.

I'm afraid you can also do that if ever.

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That was also what is currently running through my mind after watching the video. based on my research the suspect was traveling around europe just scouting for immigrants or muslim communities. I personally don't know if  the main plan was to increase the tension but according to CNN


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The shooter's hate-filled 87-page manifesto contained anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim ideas, and was also posted online before the attack.

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@everyone monitoring this thread:

If you want this terrorist to fail in his attempt to destroy the gains we've made in the realm of racism and bigotry, then do the exact opposite of what he wishes for.

If you're Christian, go to Mosque on Friday, and a Synagogue on Saturday.  If you're Muslim, go to a Synagogue on Saturday, and a Church on Sunday.  If you're Jewish go to a Mosque on Friday and Church on Sunday.  Introduce yourself to the congregation, tell them how you're presence is a protest to the hatred and bigotry some would have us cultivate as a result of this tragedy.
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The fact that the video shooter guy said "subscribe to PewDiePie" and then said "Hi Felix" at the end of the video lets me know he was assuredly crazy.

The fact that he said things like this tell me he is saying these things to purposely defame these people he mentioned. I guess it is just a total coincidence all of the people and groups he mentioned are establishment targets... Nothing to see here, move along. In fact no one talk about it ever again because we don't want him to get what he wants! Yes, the dark, lots of problems are solved in the dark.


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This is exactly the response I expect the shooter intended to have. They want people to beg to have their freedoms taken from them. The shooters weapons were obtained legally. So much for gun control working.

Next I expect to see one or two small, easy to overlook media references to "the shooter was on anti-psychotic medications" and "relatives reported that he'd recently stopped taking them."

Sooner or later people are going to have to wake up to this problem instead of listening to politicians who misdirect it toward firearms while raking in huge donations from Big Pharma.
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March 16, 2019, 07:01:58 PM
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The attacker's motivation was apparently to promote worldwide racial and political balkanization by increasing the solidarity of all groups while also pushing them apart. He wanted to increase tensions between Muslim and Christian, white and non-white, left and right, etc. So he's probably very happy with the world's response so far, including some of the reaction in this thread.

The attack itself was evil, of course, and this underlying goal of promoting collectivism was both particularly evil and worryingly effective.

Dude, have you ever been in ‘real’ muslim countries? I live in Turkish ‘Republic’. There is not Sharia but sometimes they really interfere in people's lifestyle. Trust me, when they raise their population you can’t live together with them. Muslim people may be good, but Muslim communities are becoming radical. If the radical Islamists had the chance, they would have killed us (normal muslim Turks) like Syria. We encourage immigrants to come from Africa to Turkey. They involved in many incidents of sexual harassment. We accepted 1 million Kurds in 1990s, they created racial terrorist groups like PKK/YPG and killed civilians. We accepted 4 million syrian refugees 7 years ago. they abuse womens, they steal, they fight, they are really garbage. Multiculturalism is bullshit.

Don’t trust refugees

When they raise their population, they will kill you. Protect ‘National Countries’, Defend Europe, Defend your country

But still you cannot say whatever the attacker had done is correct. I condemn terrorism and my condolences are with the killed.

@everyone monitoring this thread:

If you want this terrorist to fail in his attempt to destroy the gains we've made in the realm of racism and bigotry, then do the exact opposite of what he wishes for.

If you're Christian, go to Mosque on Friday, and a Synagogue on Saturday.  If you're Muslim, go to a Synagogue on Saturday, and a Church on Sunday.  If you're Jewish go to a Mosque on Friday and Church on Sunday.  Introduce yourself to the congregation, tell them how you're presence is a protest to the hatred and bigotry some would have us cultivate as a result of this tragedy.


Look like you have no idea what the words "jihaad", "kaafir" and "fatwaa"  means. First they  need to distance themselves with these radicals.


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I’m Turk and I live in Turkey. I don't understand why Europeans accept non-white and muslim refugees in their own countries. My grandfather was a soldier in the Ottoman Empire. Sometimes we don't even want to live with some radical Muslims. They don’t respect your culture and live their culture in your country. If you don’t want to live like Europeans, why did you immigrate to Europe. And know that. When they raise population of muslims in your country, they want to change your life style. Stop accepting non-white or radical refugees. Such attacks are just the beginning. It is sad but different cultures can’t live together. Defend Europe

Sad, if ever this will happen to your country and the only thing you could do is to be migrated and the world will not accept you because you are a turk then  you might probably understand how it feels to defend their lands by having no Turks in their place. You can't even understand why they are actually doing it to you just because of having the nationality you have not control off. By that type of thinking you and the suspect has the same perspective towards immigrants and Muslims.

I'm afraid you can also do that if ever.

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That was also what is currently running through my mind after watching the video. based on my research the suspect was traveling around europe just scouting for immigrants or muslim communities. I personally don't know if  the main plan was to increase the tension but according to CNN


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The shooter's hate-filled 87-page manifesto contained anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim ideas, and was also posted online before the attack.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/new-zealand-christchurch-shooting-intl/index.html

I know, we Turks defend our lands until die. Europeans accepted a lot ot ‘radical muslims’, we Turks were shamanistic before Islam. We are not radical Islamists, many of our people have a normal religious belief but when we accepted other races in our country they created radical communities. Turkey is a Republic. It is a secular state, but the Islamists who migrated to our country breeded too much. Today, radical Islamists may be less in Europe, but you cannot predict how much the fertility rates are. Kurds have more than 8 children. Arabs have more than 8 children. We Turks are getting more and more radical in this shit every day. Many of the people in our country are deist. Perhaps 35% of people in our country but we accepted refugees many times and Although they were not Turkish, they became Turkish citizens. And today the Islamic government is selected with 52%. If we had not accepted these bastards in our country, maybe we could live like Europeans today.
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I watched video of shooting and it was really shocking to see. It looks surreal, he made it like gameplay of shooting game. And that terrorist full of hate probably prepared for this attack for long time. He aquired guns, painted words on it, created long manifesto. And how calm he was attack, saying "subscribe to PewDiePie lads" while shooting or leaving that place after shooting with music on. Sick. Seems that this terrorist is follower of Anders Breivik, and this attack really reminds him.
And one thing that really shocked me - how much support on internet this guy got. I read comments where people saying that he done right thing by shooting muslims, that someone finally started war against muslim terrorists and etc. I can't understand how someone can justify killing of innocent people? What's wrong with these people?




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March 16, 2019, 11:19:03 PM
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While watching the video, I can't imagine what's on the mind of the terrorist.

Condolences to the victims and right judgement shall be done with the incident. I felt bad and anger when the terrorist wasn't done with his havoc, he kept shooting innocent people while driving his car.  Undecided


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I’m Turk and I live in Turkey. I don't understand why Europeans accept non-white and muslim refugees in their own countries. My grandfather was a soldier in the Ottoman Empire. Sometimes we don't even want to live with some radical Muslims. They don’t respect your culture and live their culture in your country. If you don’t want to live like Europeans, why did you immigrate to Europe. And know that. When they raise population of muslims in your country, they want to change your life style. Stop accepting non-white or radical refugees. Such attacks are just the beginning. It is sad but different cultures can’t live together. Defend Europe

The strange thing is that when innocents are killed in places of worship
You leave the murderer and look for the known scarecrow illusion
(Radical Islamists)
This terrorist killer you does not consider him a radical Christian?
You seem to have a problem with the Islamists in general and want them to give up their identity
They live like secularists or Christians, for example, and this is impossible
Everyone can live in peace as long as the ideas of acceptance of the other and dialogue of civilizations prevail
Not the clash of civilizations
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I’m Turk and I live in Turkey. I don't understand why Europeans accept non-white and muslim refugees in their own countries. My grandfather was a soldier in the Ottoman Empire. Sometimes we don't even want to live with some radical Muslims. They don’t respect your culture and live their culture in your country. If you don’t want to live like Europeans, why did you immigrate to Europe. And know that. When they raise population of muslims in your country, they want to change your life style. Stop accepting non-white or radical refugees. Such attacks are just the beginning. It is sad but different cultures can’t live together. Defend Europe

The strange thing is that when innocents are killed in places of worship
You leave the murderer and look for the known scarecrow illusion
(Radical Islamists)
This terrorist killer you does not consider him a radical Christian?
You seem to have a problem with the Islamists in general and want them to give up their identity
They live like secularists or Christians, for example, and this is impossible
Everyone can live in peace as long as the ideas of acceptance of the other and dialogue of civilizations prevail
Not the clash of civilizations


There are two sides to this coin. In the Western word one has excuses made for it and people crying racism and bigotry every time it is called out. The other is blasted at maximum volume and taken to the most extreme interpretations. This person did not shoot these people because of religious motivations, yet most radical Muslim terrorists do regularly cite their religious beliefs as motivation. One of these happens more than the other, you are attempting to craft a false equivalency.

Plenty of Muslims move to Western nations and assimilate. They are not the enemy of Western nations. Even if they choose to not assimilate, really no one cares, they are free to live their lives that way even in Western nations. What IS the problem is Sharia law, and Muslims who move to Western nations and try to impose Sharia law. Sharia law is incompatible with freedom and Democracy. Sharia law is a political system wearing a veil of religion to hide behind.

Many of these people who support Sharia law don't give a fuck about you or your dialog and will take power by force if they are allowed. Unfortunately any time anyone points this out, there are endless cries of racism and bigotry and this discussion is never allowed to be had. If you think this problem can be solved only with dialog I suggest you take a trip to Somalia and have a dialog with the locals and report back your results. You are in a bubble of Western comfort that blinds you from the harsh realities of the rest of the world where they have no problem removing your head and selling your mother into sex slavery just because you do not worship their God. Unfortunately I think Europe is going to realize this too late.

This attack was carefully crafted to inflame both "sides" of this conflict. It is a mistake to look at the world as "if I were them I would do this..." because not everyone is like you, and some people wouldn't blink over disemboweling you in front of your family. Monsters are real, and asking them kindly not to be monsters is not a solution. That said this attack is inexcusable, and it would be equally inexcusable if it were perpetrated by a Muslim.



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I still do not get the logical reason, it seems a really sick person....

That's because crazy is quite opposite of logic. It does have its own dynamics, which is why we can talk about patterns of behavior in paranoia, schizophrenia, and obsessive compulsive.

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I saw the video of London's Sadiq Khan condemning the attack. Moving but then I remembered his infamous "...Part and parcel of living in a big city" quote.

And that's what it is, part and parcel of living in a city. The more people there are, the more likely you'd encounter criminals and nutjobs.

 
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I’m Turk and I live in Turkey. I don't understand why Europeans accept non-white and muslim refugees in their own countries. My grandfather was a soldier in the Ottoman Empire. Sometimes we don't even want to live with some radical Muslims. They don’t respect your culture and live their culture in your country. If you don’t want to live like Europeans, why did you immigrate to Europe. And know that. When they raise population of muslims in your country, they want to change your life style. Stop accepting non-white or radical refugees. Such attacks are just the beginning. It is sad but different cultures can’t live together. Defend Europe

The strange thing is that when innocents are killed in places of worship
You leave the murderer and look for the known scarecrow illusion
(Radical Islamists)
This terrorist killer you does not consider him a radical Christian?
You seem to have a problem with the Islamists in general and want them to give up their identity
They live like secularists or Christians, for example, and this is impossible
Everyone can live in peace as long as the ideas of acceptance of the other and dialogue of civilizations prevail
Not the clash of civilizations


Firstly, we are not talking about killer.
Secondly, why should I talk about radical Christians? They already live in Europe.

Don't distort what I say. We are not talking about Islam, we are talking about Radical Islamists. I say this as a Turkish. We do not even want to live together with radical Islamists in Turkey. The main problem here is that different cultures cannot live together.

Plenty of Muslims move to Western nations and assimilate. They are not the enemy of Western nations. Even if they choose to not assimilate, really no one cares, they are free to live their lives that way even in Western nations. What IS the problem is Sharia law, and Muslims who move to Western nations and try to impose Sharia law. Sharia law is incompatible with freedom and Democracy. Sharia law is a political system wearing a veil of religion to hide behind.

Its true. 2% of people want sharia in Turkey(isis supporters). This is a big problem for us. 2% seems like low, but not. No joke with radical Islamists. When they gain power, they attack you. 1 christian maniac killed 49 people. 1.68M radical maniacs may kill 82.32M people.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-16/nz-threatens-10-years-prison-possessing-mosque-shooting-video-web-hosts-warned

These victims aren't even in the ground yet and this event is already being used to push expanded censorship and removal of gun ownership rights. This is how the boa constrictor of incrementalist totalitarianism works people... piles of bodies are just another day at work for the people who play these "games".

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-16/evidence-indicates-link-between-north-korean-embassy-break-and-christchurch-attacks

I am not the only one who finds this narrative suspect... this is going to be the pattern from now on folks, escalating violence in an attempt to get the population to beg to have their freedoms taken in exchange for empty promises of safety. This is Hegelian dialectic 101. Thesis + Antithesis = Synthesis


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