Whatsminer M20 is announced and available for pre-order

[fccs]

Curious if the same promo code works on these as well?  Maybe save us $50 a miner or something.  If we have to pay the tariff on these, all depending when ship date is.. anything helps

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[qctechno_isback]

Dissipate 3.3KW in a single tube is insane.
This miner will be loud beyond reason.

[philipma1957]

Dissipate 3.3KW in a single tube is insane.
This miner will be loud beyond reason.

It has been done with the m10s  fanatic_26  has used one of them for months maybe 4 months.

It is not a home miner and if I remember  he said it was a true screamer.

Most of us think the m20  48th is the better way to go.

I can give 10 reasons for it over the m20 58th

I have only  thought of one reason for the m20 58th  a big spike in coin price the day I fire it up.

If we went to 8k vs 4k a coin and the bigger unit was doing 10th that would be 100 usd  a month extra  and at 10 cent power it would be 72 usd for the power.

And if you have 5 cent power  1000 extra watts = 36 usd a month  so you would earn  100-36= 64 more each month.

I will test both demos  but most likely I will endup with a lot more of the 48th model then the 58th model

[Steamtyme]

Curious if the same promo code works on these as well? 

The $51 Coupon doesn't work on this preorder. The March March one does that they give you in chat as soon as you open the website is able to be applied. I didn't order anything but that was my first thought as well.

Yeah I remember Fanatic confirming it's specs and talking about it being loud enough to hear over the other miners I think. Either way that model is beyond running at home, or near neighbors. That's how I feel about the 58 TH model, barring an amazing efficiency setting. I am still super keen on the 48 TH model, that includes running it in the basement next winter.

I guess for you Phil it would come down to what type of warehouse your next build is in. If there is limited occupancy the noise levels aren't bad, and it wouldn't take many of them to really bump up that power consumption for your proof of load tests.

[fccs]

I'm just trying to find out before I order anything the shipping dates.  Is it better to order one at a time in separate orders or all at once?

[offordscott]

Personally, I would recommend not ordering until there is an official announcement made by MicroBT (the manufacturer of WhatsMiner).

[fccs]

I mean Pangolinminer has always been good in past and never had any issues.  I just hope they make a announcement soon

[Steamtyme]

They did have an issue once last year with the D1 miner. They took preorders then before delivery told eveyone the price went up, you could either pay more or get a refund. Not sure if it was a similar issue or if MicroBT upped the price.

Minefarmbuy mentioned it above.

[fccs]

Ah I do remember that.  I'm not a fan of preorders but ill try to wait a bit till it gets closer.

[philipma1957]

I have had a good relationship with them. 7 m10 machines 1 with an issue gave me a fast fix for it. The 8th m10 comes on monday.
They have promised a 48th demo and a 58th demo to me  mid to late april.

My thoughts on preorders of this gear it is risky.
One prices could tank like mad. Making it pretty much a bust when it comes May 15th.
Two prices could rise like mad making a possible price rise in the gear.
I do not like to preorder gear.
I know there is FOMO with the  m20 48th but if you are USA based and you preorder a few at 1450  you are in for 2900 usd.

In my case the solar array projects are going well and we may do another expansion the investor/partners are eager to expand  our 300kwatt and add at least  a 600kwatt maybe 2 megawatt array  so 2000 + 300 = 2300/7 or 325kwatts  that is about 100 to 115 m20's

at 1450 a unit  it is over 145,000 worth of miners add in tump tax and shipping it is pushing 2000 a unit or 200,000 if we want 100-110.

The worst case is expansion does not happen and I only need 10 to 20 of them.

It is not my money so I am going to be safe with my purchases.  I.e. I won't preorder I will test demos show them on youtube videos  and most likely  order then.
I also will not order 20 at a time more likely 5 at a time to lower risk of delivery. I look at mining as a long process 10-20 year window.
So I never rush into anything. As there is no need to rush much if the mining game is to last longterm. I play it to last a long time.

[fccs]

I honestly plan to upgrade some 841's I have sitting in 1 location since I won't need heat as much when summer comes to these.  I technically need a solid double digit number to order, but I may just preorder a couple to swap some out so I know in the meantime it's doing something at least where as my 841's would be doing nothing.

[Artemis3]

So this is MicroBT's next generation Asic, 12nm chips? How would they compare against Bitmain's S17/T17?

I don't particularly like how they named two different products the same, Why isn't one the M20 and the other M21, or say. M20X vs M20?

It is clear that the 48T one is more efficient. You pay 50 USD more to spend more energy per hash?

Or could this be the exact same hardware with slightly different firmware tweaks? I don't understand this marketing, but i welcome the saner model, competition is good for everyone.

Now whats next for MicroBT: 10nm? 7nm?

[philipma1957]

So this is MicroBT's next generation Asic, 12nm chips? How would they compare against Bitmain's S17/T17?

I don't particularly like how they named two different products the same, Why isn't one the M20 and the other M21, or say. M20X vs M20?

It is clear that the 48T one is more efficient. You pay 50 USD more to spend more energy per hash?

Or could this be the exact same hardware with slightly different firmware tweaks? I don't understand this marketing, but i welcome the saner model, competition is good for everyone.

Now whats next for MicroBT: 10nm? 7nm?

the m20 48th is way better then the s17  edit s15 my bad I was thinking s15 as I do not have any info on the s17

the m20? 58th is only good with ultra cheap power or a bull run or maybe on low clock setting.

[elokk]

I'll have more details posted online soon.
But I'm sure someone will delete my posts.

If your posts are being deleted, please start to screenshot your post prior to deletion and then share along with forum notification of deletion. Not saying you are lying but would be interesting to know if this is actually happening.

Being that Scott works for a MicroBT reseller and seeing a few other forum members are continually recieving free hardware from Pango (a different reseller) leads me to speculate a forum moderator is also taking free gear from this reseller to promote their business exclusively.

My post is being screenshot and looking forward to seeing what happens. 

[mgoz]

the m20 48th is way better then the s17

Unofficial specs I saw for the S17 were 34TH/s @ 1200W and put it at 35W/Th. The M20 48Th is 48W/Th.

[philipma1957]

If your posts are being deleted, please start to screenshot your post prior to deletion and then share along with forum notification of deletion. Not saying you are lying but would be interesting to know if this is actually happening.

Being that Scott works for a MicroBT reseller and seeing a few other forum members are continually recieving free hardware from Pango (a different reseller) leads me to speculate a forum moderator is also taking free gear from this reseller to promote their business exclusively.

My post is being screenshot and looking forward to seeing what happens. 

I pay for my demo products from pangolin I have not received any for free.
I get small discounts  of 10 to 20% ----- edit maybe 5% to 20%

On the m3 I got 50 dollars off
on the first m10 I got 50 dollars off. Later on I was also able to secure 51 dollar coupons for pangolin m10's which multiple people on the forum have used.
I have been offered the m20 at a small discount 2 weeks early (late april)

I do get the demos faster then other people.

Of the 8 m10's I paid for each and every one of them.
7 from pangolin and 1 from hagssfin as I often take them from him since the noisy ones are too loud for him to use.
I got 1 s15 and 1 m10 from him

I  also paid for the 1 m3 demo back in dec or nov 2017
I will also pay for the big and small demo m20's.

I have had more then 100 posts deleted by frodocooper so offordscott is not the only person getting posts deleted.

@mgoz  if the s17 does 34th at 1200 watts it will be better I am going to correct my post as for some reason I thought that I was working with  s15 numbers not s17
I changed my post  BTW  do you have a link for those 35 watt a th numbers  as  34th at 1200 watts is very good.

[fccs]

Yea if that's true that's very good, but if the price is a usual ripoff bitmain price or they come with reliability issues some people have been reporting for the s15... then the m20 would be a better buy.  All depends on when these are launching and price.  I would say the m20 would be coming in 2 months.

Now says out of stock for both?  No way people bought something this early as preorder without knowing anything about the product?  Or did they just halt it until it's announced?

[Huxley23]

Well, thats super weird. I was waiting for them to reveal more info and maybe photos to order some of the 58 TH. Does anybody know whats the reason?

[philipma1957]

Well, thats super weird. I was waiting for them to reveal more info and maybe photos to order some of the 58 TH. Does anybody know whats the reason?

Not sure  but there does seem to be an issue going on behind the scenes.

[offordscott]

The only issue that’s going on is that Pango decided to launch a pre-order sale too early and without any verified specs. They did so on their own and without the knowledge or blessing of MicroBT.

Pango need $ in order to survive. They most likely only launched the preorder to test the market and to collect some interest and some funds this quarter.