Whatsminer M20 is announced and available for pre-order

[mgoz]

@mgoz  if the s17 does 34th at 1200 watts it will be better I am going to correct my post as for some reason I thought that I was working with  s15 numbers not s17
I changed my post  BTW  do you have a link for those 35 watt a th numbers  as  34th at 1200 watts is very good.

I was only able to find specs on apanel.com and it looks like what I referenced was an old page. Not sure what their source is as I haven't seen anything announced and thought you may have been talking about S15. Specs on their main list are even more efficient than what I posted and put it at 30W/TH. Two different specs listed. One for 34 TH/s @ 1020W and another for 45 TH/s @ 1350W. One is probably T17.

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[philipma1957]

The only issue that’s going on is that Pango decided to launch a pre-order sale too early and without any verified specs. They did so on their own and without the knowledge or blessing of MicroBT.

Pango need $ in order to survive. They most likely only launched the preorder to test the market and to collect some interest and some funds this quarter.

There is more then this but it is about the deletions of posts.
It appears someone other then frodocooper or ck has been deleting posts.

I had some deleted last night and an entire thread on Avalon done by hagssFin was deleted last night.

Maybe it was maxwell as he is a mod for this section. So basically anything we write may be altered.

And as for Pangolinminer if they are not authorized why and how are they getting gear from MicroBT?

They have sold m3 m3x and m10

[offordscott]

All I was saying is that they were not authorized by MicroBT to do the M20 pre-sale. I'm only talking about the M20 presale that pango launched on their own accord, not about their previous deals. They are an authorized distributor of MicroBT products, sure... but it doesn't mean they launched the pre-sale of the M20 with permission from MicroBT.

[fccs]

My posts got deleted last night here too lol.  Also, yes when I spoke to pango on telegram and facebook they kept giving me weird damn answers.  I was told the preorder that just happened basically was for "April sample units" and very few were available.  Then I was told the preorder isn't shipping to July.. which is WAYY far from March.

[mikeywith]

these numbers are good, but i sure as hell won't pre-order anything.

i think you should also be considering that fact that S17 could hit the market any time soon, with the alleged 30j/TH we could be looking at 45TH at 1500w.

[philipma1957]

@ Offordscott
Thank you my bad.

@ mikeywith
As for the s17

I have heard  34th 1200 watts tossed around.

If it is truly 30 per chip   at best it does 20 % higher = 36 per chip  or 36 watts a th   which is 1224 watts for 34th

I suspect the s17 will do:

low speed 34th at 1225 watts
high speed 40th at 1600 watts  which is very competitive against the m10 48th

it may be this for the m20

32 th at 1265 watts = 40 watts  a th
48 th at 2300 watts = 48 watts  a th

if the numbers are true above then  m20 vs s17  would be interesting.

[fccs]

these numbers are good, but i sure as hell won't pre-order anything.

i think you should also be considering that fact that S17 could hit the market any time soon, with the alleged 30j/TH we could be looking at 45TH at 1500w.

Same here, I was interested when I thought the shipment was April but now that I am hearing June/July no way.  That's like a lifetime in crypto your btc would be tied up.

[philipma1957]

My m10 comes today  it will be number 8

pretty amazing 8 units can do 248th you need 18.4 kwatts of juice.

[minefarmbuy]

Nothing wrong with a pre order, I think we're all used to it here but considering the s15 was already more efficient than the m10 I would expect the same with the cadence of the whatsminer vs. bitmain releases for their new models.

Chances are if you're looking to add hash steadily I imagine the m20 and the "s17" will end up in your farm pending it's size.

[mikeywith]

if the numbers are true above then  m20 vs s17  would be interesting

I doubt that it would be that interesting, it's safe to assume "regardless of how much i dislike bitmain" that they will always have better gears in terms of efficiency.

i also like the fact that they keep the number of chips kind low, less total power consumption per miner is a plus in terms of noise and temperature control.

also if it's true the whatsminer will start shipping at june/july then chances are the S17 will hit the market first.

I also personally feel like doing business with bitmain is a lot more smoother. but that's just my own opinion.

[fanatic26_]

Dissipate 3.3KW in a single tube is insane.
This miner will be loud beyond reason.

Yes with the 140mm fans it is very loud....but again this is an industrial miner and sound really doesnt matter if they are in the proper settings.

My current M10S test mule has a 118 day uptime right now and has not really had any issues to speak of. Whether the ambient temp is 3f or 60f, it seems to regulate heat well so far with all cards sitting between 74-77c at all times.

I think my favorite part of this unit is the error and event log.

https://pasteboard.co/I61tOWd.png

You can even see in the log the machine does basic troubleshooting on its own, aka restarting cgminer as needed.

[Biffa]

3 different pre-orders for the M20 at whatsminer.net

M20S – ~72.x Th/s @ 3124W (33124W on the web site, typo?) - $2160
M20V1 – ~48.x Th/s @ 2200W - $1390
M20V2 – ~58.x Th/s @ 3364W - $1485

[Steamtyme]

Nice, doesn't seem like the Pangolin numbers were very far off. Unless Whatsminer threw caution to the wind, in the same way that it was said Pangolin had jumped the gun. They may have even over estimated, as they were generally the less expensive of the two. Either way now it looks like a more stable rumour that this is going to be available in ~6 weeks time.

[philipma1957]

3 different pre-orders for the M20 at whatsminer.net

M20S – ~72.x Th/s @ 3124W (33124W on the web site, typo?) - $2160
M20V1 – ~48.x Th/s @ 2200W - $1390
M20V2 – ~58.x Th/s @ 3364W - $1485

wtf m20s is 72th?  and does 3124 watts?   only 43 watts a th!

holy shit "I want it all and I want it now!"   note a line from a song by queen.

[fccs]

The 72th version I would def. order a lot of...  It does say **Whatsminer M20S** Batch 1 – Starts shipping July 20-30, 2019.  This is a summer miner, meaning don't expect to get any of these miners until Mid summer.  A way far preorder for this.  I am curious to now know what bitmain has up their sleeves and the price.  72th @ 3300w is damn impressive.  Essentially same as the 48th model but savings in cost.

[Artemis3]

Do you think this M20S is like the M10S enlarged 140mm size?

At least Whatsminer has proper unit naming, unlike Pangolin's "everything is an M20".

[mikeywith]

The 72th version I would def. order a lot of...  It does say **Whatsminer M20S** Batch 1 – Starts shipping July 20-30, 2019

it also says this "Please Note: Delivery to Customer will be upto 1-2 weeks after China factory release date"

i think these gears will hit the Chinese market by mid July , which is normal , Bitmain does the same thing,it's a chines thing that they always have to give their Chinese clients a lead, so most likely shipping to non-Chinese would be End of July - beginning of Aug - so these miners would be delivered some where around mid Aug.

these numbers are really temping, but 5 months from now till the gear sits on  my rack is a bit discouraging.

Do you think this M20S is like the M10S enlarged 140mm size?

they say "M20S has a slightly larger footprint then the M20v1 and m20v2 but still maintains its cool in the harshest environments"

https://whatsminer.net/product/m20s-batch1/

[philipma1957]

Well I am glad I ordered that 8th m10  it will make this wait shorter

[fccs]

I just can't justify doing a preorder in March for a product we won't get until likely beginning of August lol.  That $2000 in btc currently could be worth $1000 or $8000 by august..

[Apprentice]

Whatsminer M20 with PSU (72Th/s)!!!

WTF!!