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March 17, 2019, 06:42:35 AM
Last edit: March 17, 2019, 02:04:00 PM by DeepVault
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Hello,
I write this post under light of good for the forum as whole.

I've created this second account because my first one was banned  and I can´t post anymore. This is the message that I received:

You have been permanently banned by a forum moderator, probably due to spam or plagiarism. You may appeal here, but your chances are not good: banappeals...@theymos.e4ward.com

(i will not post outside of this thread)

I would like to know the reason(s) of this ban and if it is possible to recover the account, since I´m moderating the DeepOnion ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2683530.0.

I hope to receive an answer from the mods, because the ANN is very important to keep our community updated with the latest news of our project.
If the ban for spam/plagiarism i don't make coin because of the signatures i accept a fair ban for removing the current signature for a period of time you will decide.

I will also check past posts (like this one) and remove those can be potential for plagiarism or spam. And accept to deliver a report of deleted posts to somebody if needed.  Furthermore i will update Ann thread and add special note to inform members about avoiding plagiarism and spam.

I believe DeepOnion ANN thread brings inspiration and new members to the bitcointalk forum. It is followed and liked by many. It should be maintained with care. And i can assure it will be maintained with good care for the future.

For this reason i ask for a 'fair' punishment

Thanks.

edit 1 (thanks Vod): the account deeperx https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1038794
edit 2 (thanks tbct_mt2) a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective references
edit 3
I have always tried to delete the spam from the ANN thread, whenever I have got enough time. I have deleted more than 100 messages.
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March 17, 2019, 06:44:18 AM
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Why did you create a thread asking us without telling us what account?   

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March 17, 2019, 06:54:23 AM
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Why did you create a thread asking us without telling us what account?   
Sorry i forgot to add the account deeperx https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1038794
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March 17, 2019, 07:30:05 AM
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You're not going to like this, but it appears that your very first post was plagiarized, even though the source is no longer online (using cached link):

Your post:

Paper wallets can be understood from by just looking the top surface and hardware stored wallets can not be understood content unless you connect them to correct environment. This difference can be important at some cases.

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Paper wallets can be understood from by just looking the top surface and hardware stored wallets can not be understood content unless you connect them to correct environment.








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March 17, 2019, 07:31:12 AM
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Permanently band mostly come from plagiarism as most of ban appeal topics ended with proof of plagiarism.
Permanently banns use to spam, it sound really strange.
In my time in the forum, I have not seen perma bans due to spam.

@nutildah found it, but can you tell me how you find it fastly?
Did you use software to find plagiarism, didn't you?

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March 17, 2019, 07:43:19 AM
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I think @Lauda has given you a negative tag before you were banned and has answered your error, copy / paste in the DeepOnion project.


Lauda ( Referece ) = DeepOnion is a copy/paste project with a massive amount of shills. This user will censor any mention of this, which makes his behavior and project even shadier than it already is. 
Read the reference link for more information.
More ratings and information can be found on the original account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=321080
User has created this account to avoid their negative trust. Avoid this scam project.



Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1038794

In my opinion you are banned based on the results above.





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March 17, 2019, 08:15:49 AM
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@nutildah found it, but can you tell me how you find it fastly?
Did you use software to find plagiarism, didn't you?

No, I just looked at his first page of posts and saw they were all about Deep Onion. Skipped to a middle one, all about Deep Onion. So I went to the beginning of his comments and finally found one not about that project. I copy/pasted the first sentence in Google with quotes around it, saw that the link was redirected to some spam b.s., then saw there was a cached version of the article.





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March 17, 2019, 08:40:01 AM
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You're not going to like this, but it appears that your very first post was plagiarized, even though the source is no longer online (using cached link):

Your post:

Paper wallets can be understood from by just looking the top surface and hardware stored wallets can not be understood content unless you connect them to correct environment. This difference can be important at some cases.

Original:

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Paper wallets can be understood from by just looking the top surface and hardware stored wallets can not be understood content unless you connect them to correct environment.




Thank you for your time. Nice view point.
It does not make sense as said the post was from 2017, i don't think this can be reason to perma ban any user, mistakes can be done when told or warned it could be removed  easy or post can be edited so it become more useful for the thread readers. I totally agree creating original content is important. In this account i will create original contents.
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March 17, 2019, 08:45:57 AM
Last edit: March 17, 2019, 11:19:22 AM by tbct_mt2
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Deep Vault,
The admin strongly stated that years after plagisrisms made, if someone found them, plagiarizers will get perma bans, immediately when proof of their plagiarisms found, or reported to admin or forum moderators.
It's one of the strictest rules and punishments in the forum, as I known.
Who knows original post of theymos , please post it here.
Thank you.

I found something for you, but I don't think that is helpful for your case. And, I doubt that you have to be in jail forever.
Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

You might have interest to ask for a 'fair' punishment, two-year ban of signature as mentioned there.it is a too long period, but finally you can come back.
I totally agree with Theymos that the vast majority of plagiarists deserve a permaban, but I'm glad to see the case-by-case approach being implemented.  

There are the rare cases where it's to the benefit of the community that amember not be gone for good, and I very much like the 2-year signature ban.  I think that's a fair punishment.

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March 17, 2019, 09:06:58 AM
Last edit: March 17, 2019, 09:53:12 AM by DeepVault
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Deep Vault,
The admin strongly stated that years after plagisrisms made, if someone found them, plagiarizers will get perma bans, immediately when proof of their plagiarisms found, or reported to admin or forum moderators.
It's one of the strictest rules and punishments in the forum, as I known.
Who knows original post of they now, please post it here.
Thank you.

I found something for you, but I don't think that is helpful for your case. And, I doubt that you have to be in jail forever.
Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.
I understand, thank you for info. I can agree plagiarists those making money or coin from posts or crypto not good for the forum. But i just want to maintain our Ann thread. I can go back and remove initial posts have potentials for the issue or create original contents. If chance given i will be policing for it. Majority of the posts deeperx is original helping still and i believe useful for members of bitcointalk as majority.

edit thanks for a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective references
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March 17, 2019, 11:09:33 AM
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In my time in the forum, I have not seen perma bans due to spam.
They do get perma bans too, but i think it's after warning of temp bans.
Some get directly nuked and the account goes to a brand-new status, and it's hard to tell because you won't know whether the account had been created and never posted or it had initially posted before getting nuked.





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March 17, 2019, 11:20:51 AM
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In my time in the forum, I have not seen perma bans due to spam.
They do get perma bans too, but i think it's after warning of temp bans.
Some get directly nuked and the account goes to a brand-new status, and it's hard to tell because you won't know whether the account had been created and never posted or it had initially posted before getting nuked.

Three times of temp bans, then perma bans for the last time of violation.
I will give you link later to original post.

First time, one week in jail.
Second time, two weeks in jail.
Their time, one month in jail.
And, fourth time, forever in jail.
Not sure, it comes from my memory.

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Honestly, I don't think what OP adds to the forum--an ANN thread for a typical ICO project--justifies reversing a permaban for plagiarism.  Not only that, but it reflects very poorly on the project that the thread starter is dishonest enough to steal someone else's words and pass them off as his own.  And somehow I doubt Theymos will have any sympathy for this, but who knows. 

IMO, the "more good than harm" exception should be made only in rare circumstances, and by rare I mean probably 1/250 cases deserve a second chance.  There's something very simple and fundamental about not copy/pasting stuff from other sources and taking credit for it that people who do it almost without exception should not be members of bitcointalk.  Most of the time, it's sig spammers who can't speak English who get caught doing this shit, and obviously OP doesn't fit that description, but I don't think he should be unbanned.

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Copy/paste is never encouraged in any place. OP did it but one point mentioned by The Pharmacist, all the copy/paste are done by signature spammers, for making money while OP had never participated in a paid signature campaign. So, it was a try to help people, no other intention was there. Therefore, I think OP deserves a 2nd chance here and should be unbanned.

Three times of temp bans, then perma bans for the last time of violation.
I will give you link later to original post.

First time, one week in jail.
Second time, two weeks in jail.
Their time, one month in jail.
And, fourth time, forever in jail.
Not sure, it comes from my memory.
I think it's not like that. If someone does heavy spamming, s/he will/should be banned ASAP. On the other hands, for simple spam, 1 week or whatever.

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I have the same problem Ban without a specific reason
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=809108
You have to review the reasons for the ban because I do not speak EnglishI write and translate my publications in Arabic, and I have not hurt anyone or written to anyone.

Also plagiarism.

Your post:

Great project with great possibilities I am happy to participate in my opinion this project is very good and will get better in the future

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Great project with great possibilities I am happy to participate in my opinion this project are best project!

This low-level spam has been copied and pasted about 160 times according to Google.





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March 17, 2019, 03:04:50 PM
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You have to remember that any post that falls under plagiarism would get you an insta-ban. Doesn't matter if your account managed to survive for X years, just one find is all it takes.

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March 17, 2019, 03:59:05 PM
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You're not going to like this, but it appears that your very first post was plagiarized, even though the source is no longer online (using cached link):

Your post:

Paper wallets can be understood from by just looking the top surface and hardware stored wallets can not be understood content unless you connect them to correct environment. This difference can be important at some cases.

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Paper wallets can be understood from by just looking the top surface and hardware stored wallets can not be understood content unless you connect them to correct environment.



just for me to understand the whole situation regarding plagiarizm of it, a small question:

what if the post from deeperx was posted way before anything else on the internet, therefore, his post got plagiarizes by others?

wouldnt that be a possibility? is there any proof provided with a timestamp when it was posted?

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just for me to understand the whole situation regarding plagiarizm of it, a small question:

what if the post from deeperx was posted way before anything else on the internet, therefore, his post got plagiarizes by others?

wouldnt that be a possibility? is there any proof provided with a timestamp when it was posted?



I just have checked the current version of the article. This has nothing related to cold wallet and paper wallet, only the url is about cold wallet and paper wallet.

The title of the current version's article is- How a Single Mom Makes Rs. 240,000 Per Month in Her Spare Time Trading Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency

Edit- I can't access the cached link anymore.

Is someone else also having the same problem?

It's okay now.

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March 17, 2019, 04:50:34 PM
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I think @Lauda has given you a negative tag before you were banned and has answered your error, copy / paste in the DeepOnion project.


Lauda ( Referece ) = DeepOnion is a copy/paste project with a massive amount of shills. This user will censor any mention of this, which makes his behavior and project even shadier than it already is. 
Read the reference link for more information.
More ratings and information can be found on the original account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=321080
User has created this account to avoid their negative trust. Avoid this scam project.



Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1038794

In my opinion you are banned based on the results above.

Since you mentioned Lauda, I'd like you to read this thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2066778.msg20630476#msg20630476

DeepOnion is a coin with many new features. Talking about copy-paste coins, you look at 95% or more of those announced in altcoin forum...

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March 17, 2019, 06:49:26 PM
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just for me to understand the whole situation regarding plagiarizm of it, a small question:

what if the post from deeperx was posted way before anything else on the internet, therefore, his post got plagiarizes by others?

wouldnt that be a possibility? is there any proof provided with a timestamp when it was posted?

That's a fair question -- I looked at the source of the cached content and sure enough, it was from September 2017, after the post was written. It also appears to be just a random collection of snippets of articles and comments...

I have to retract my statement and admit that particular comment doesn't appear to be plagiarized.

There might have been plagiarism in a different comment, however -- somebody else will have to continue the hunt.





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