Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17

[minefarmbuy]

My favorite part is shipping late THIS month.

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[Biodom]

My favorite part is shipping late THIS month.

not enough time (most likely) for the tariff to go away.
it's a 27.6% add-on to the price in US.

It looks like an industrial/hosting machine with 82db of noise (maybe if someone has well insulated basement, it can work out).

[ConnerM]

Note the voltage rating 200min-240max and the warning:

     Caution: Wrong input voltage may probably cause miner damaged

Looks like dual power inputs on the PSU.

Anyone care to speculate on the prices or if they will limit purchase qnty per customer of the 1st batch of units?
With BTC up I bet they are gonna be pretty expensive.

[minefarmbuy]

$5k/coin isn't that big a pump considering diff. I would hope about 2k a unit to move these well.

Wrong and right? Probably more wrong. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111410.msg49823332#msg49823332

[euhctcyn]

The Chinese guy that supplies me says price will be around 2.3k usd, but not sure at what model he is referring to... Also, his price usually includes shipping costs to Europe, so maybe Bitmain will sell them between 1.9k and 2.1k? Although it also depends, if they have discounts or not price could be lower, for reference I've been buying 28Th S15s for 870usd shipping included 2 weeks ago, and Bitmain price was 1.035usd. Will see in a few days 

[gt_addict]

Still no good if you have high electricty prices. Here in the UK i would make $0.79 a week 

[KaydenC]

Wasn't the whatsminer M20 48th/s (46w/TH) at $1450?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5120959.0

If priced too high, Bitmain is gonna lost customers as they will wait for whatsminer restock.

[philipma1957]

Yes.  And the 72th was 2048 with shipping  72 at 3312 watts = 46 watts a th

the pro here is 2790 watts and 62 th = 2790/62000   or 45 watts a th

the pro here hates the heat  it drops to 52.79 watts a th at 40c

[Steamtyme]

They may be banking on people being willing to spend a few extra dollars to get the machine faster. It doesn't hurt to be first out of the gate before the machines drive the hashrate and Difficulty up.
Aren't the M20's not expected to be shipped until July/August?

[philipma1957]

lots to think about here.  But I will be looking to get at least one.

the low setting is very efficient even in a hot space  it is 42 watts a th

note no coupons will be allowed for this batch.

looks like they cherry picked chips  to make the pro

if you look at the standard model it is much less efficient

35th or 50th for low?

power numbers are not too good for the standard machine

[Steamtyme]

It's hard to say the way they laid it out. I could see them cherry picking, that would make sense to be able to label it PRO and slap a few extra dollars on it.

Comparing them it almost looks like it just has poor control. They have a wide swing in hashrate like you said for the low mode. Not sure if that would be due to limitations on some chips preventing entire strings or boards from being able to properly lower their frequency.

The numbers aren't the worst on the min. expected. Seems getting an underperformer in hashrate here actually nets you a more efficient model. low 40's

[ZimbaCardi]

Aren't the M20's not expected to be shipped until July/August?

Also, you have to consider your electrical installation, with 2 power cables the S17's can easily replace or go into current installs while the M20 requires 20A wiring.

[philipma1957]

The top numbers for power draw that I marked in red use as much as 3300 watts so 20 amp is needed to be safe.

Note that is pro model in a hot room on turbo 3371 watts.

Lastly 200 to 240 volts. Means my garage is out as it can drift up to 245 volts.

My spot in Clifton NJ  is better 226 to 229 watts.

[Artemis3]

1650/45000 = good.   . 37 watts a th. Vs 60 watts a th at high speed is better then 28 or 29 % improvement.

I wonder if that demo is a cherrypicked unit.

I have carefully checked my 8 m10s and if I cherry picked all 24 boards I can get a really nice set of numbers much better the specs suggest is possible.

If the majority of s17s do 37 watts a th  at high speed people will buy them.

Yes there is a chance they may cherrypick those units (and your pending M20 as well), so there is no choice but to accept an early review, and then later a second review when "production" units are available. So, an early review, and then again another from a following batch etc. Can be from different reviewers, don't take all the burden yourself

I'm guessing the S17 will be 40~45 watt a th. Since you have a voltage regulator you can measure them 240v, 220v and 208v for science.
If i were to guess, Bitmain may be publishing stats based on the chips themselves (20v DC), or the whole unit plugged to Chinese mains, which is 230v@50hz.

All that current transforming causes some loses. One thing to always keep in mind for you people using renewable, is figure a way to avoid inverting in the first place. I mean, if your panels make 24v and the Asic boards take 20v, shouldn't the whole dc-ac, ac-dc be skipped altogether? If you can ever pull that (skip the PSUs, direct feed the units) you are going to be more efficient than everybody else.

To begin with DC tends to lower its voltage on its own, use a long enough wire and it might already be down to 20v by the time it reaches the unit... Else you could figure out DC to DC psus, they exist for regular PCs and servers (especially useful if your input DC is too different, ie. 48v or 12v, or mostly to buffer voltage variations from the input (such as when you turn on/off another unit) and ensure steady 20v to the output.

[KaydenC]

They may be banking on people being willing to spend a few extra dollars to get the machine faster. It doesn't hurt to be first out of the gate before the machines drive the hashrate and Difficulty up.
Aren't the M20's not expected to be shipped until July/August?

Your post mentioned a shipping date of May 20th: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5120959.0
Assuming May 20th, it's just a month of extra mining time, worth ~$200-250 USD. They may be able to charge a small premium for the 12%~ more efficient pro version, but the standard S17 will not sell well if it costs more than the M20s + 1 month mining time.

I wish I had lower electricity costs, 7.5 cents just isn't viable for btc mining.

[philipma1957]

Yes there is a chance they may cherrypick those units (and your pending M20 as well), so there is no choice but to accept an early review, and then later a second review when "production" units are available. So, an early review, and then again another from a following batch etc. Can be from different reviewers, don't take all the burden yourself

I'm guessing the S17 will be 40~45 watt a th. Since you have a voltage regulator you can measure them 240v, 220v and 208v for science.
If i were to guess, Bitmain may be publishing stats based on the chips themselves (20v DC), or the whole unit plugged to Chinese mains, which is 230v@50hz.

All that current transforming causes some loses. One thing to always keep in mind for you people using renewable, is figure a way to avoid inverting in the first place. I mean, if your panels make 24v and the Asic boards take 20v, shouldn't the whole dc-ac, ac-dc be skipped altogether? If you can ever pull that (skip the PSUs, direct feed the units) you are going to be more efficient than everybody else.

To begin with DC tends to lower its voltage on its own, use a long enough wire and it might already be down to 20v by the time it reaches the unit... Else you could figure out DC to DC psus, they exist for regular PCs and servers (especially useful if your input DC is too different, ie. 48v or 12v, or mostly to buffer voltage variations from the input (such as when you turn on/off another unit) and ensure steady 20v to the output.

All out direct dc panel to miners have been a fail.  Can't stay  stable say 12 volts (L3+) with out a ton of batteries and caps  that then makes it too costly.  every dc to dc psu  wants very stable dc in.

Our off grid setups have not worked well so far.

We wanted a doghouse with 4x 320 watt panels to run an L3+  lots of time and money tossed at products that don't work well.

All off topic though.  

Yeah a few s17's will get ordered.

Maybe only 1 at a time as 2000 + 500 trump tax =  2500

Say the pro doing  62th at 2800 watts  62th is  370 a month usd  in btc I get ½ or 185 a month so 2500 /185= 13.5 month for payoff

if gear is 2300 I could be looking at 2875/185 = 15.5 months.

while the m20 doing 72th  earns 430 usd a month in btc I get ½ or 215  I paid 2048 + 560 = 2608/ 215 = 12 month payoff

so m20  is just as good as a s17.

[MoparMiningLLC]

my set up should be able to handle these as each breaker is 30 amps and I am currently running 2 miners off of each breaker - this would put it as one miner per breaker -  I could run 10 max

I want to buy them to get the early jump on the hash rate before difficulty climbs thru the roof but I am wanting to also wait for coupons to help offset the 25% tariff - that makes it even worse to swallow a 2k price tag.... The last time I paid 2k for a miner, it took over a year to make ROI on that miner - I would like to not go a year to make ROI again.

so - even though I would love to get 10 of these and replace all my S9's - the price is really going to be the deciding factor. I may just wait for coupons and buy more T15's and make ROI hopefully faster.

[Zand_]

I sold off all my miners about a year ago but news of this release has me interesting in possibly dipping my toes in again. One question I have though, why did they break this release up into 4x different models? On their site it shows 2x different Pro models (53THs and 50THs) and 2x different standard models (56THs and 53THs).

[qctechno_isback]

I'm happy with my S15 I won't buy the latest S17 unless it's cheap ( unlikely ).
It just pack more hash and watts but to benefit fully of the new efficiency,
you need to run in low-power mode, cutting precious hash rate for ROI.
In full power, they do a little bit better than the S15 efficiency
but did not justify another upgrade for me.

[fccs]

I sold off all my miners about a year ago but news of this release has me interesting in possibly dipping my toes in again. One question I have though, why did they break this release up into 4x different models? On their site it shows 2x different Pro models (53THs and 50THs) and 2x different standard models (56THs and 53THs).

I honestly feel it's like inno did for the a9.  Ones that were made with better chips that hit 53, they will see as the 53th normal pro, ones that hit 50, they will sell as such for slightly less money.  Both are same efficiency in low and turbo power mode and both do same hashrate in those two modes.  That being said, I honestly see like no difference.  If the 53th is like.. $100 more, sure, if it's like $500 more, lol then no.  It sounds to me like the same miner just maybe more precise chips in the one with 53th is all.