Moebius327 (OP)
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/exclamation.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 11:40:27 AM |
|
High-frequency trading (HFT) is a type of algorithmic trading, specifically the use of sophisticated technological tools and computer algorithms to rapidly trade securities. HFT uses proprietary trading strategies carried out by computers to move in and out of positions in seconds or fractions of a second.[5] Firms focused on HFT rely on advanced computer systems, the processing speed of their trades and their access to the market.[6] As of 2009, studies suggested HFT firms accounted for 60-73% of all US equity trading volume, with that number falling to approximately 50% in 2012. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_tradingDocumentary on HFT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEAGdwHXfLQCombined with Lawsky's statement from yesterday, suggests Wall Street is coming to us. Not sure if good or bad. What do you think?
|
|
|
|
Dalmar
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 11:43:18 AM |
|
It would make technical analysis easier, as the chart resemble traditional TA more, and less noobish spikes up and down.
|
|
|
|
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ▄▄████████████████▄ ▄▄██████████████████████▄ █████████████▀█████████████▄ ▄█████████████▀ ▄█▀ ███████████ ▄██████████ ▀▀ ████████████ ▄█████████████ ▄▄▄ ▀▀██████████ █████████████▀ ████▄ ▀█████████▄ █████████████ ▀▀█▀▀ ▄██████████ ████████████▀ ▄▄ ████████████ ████████████ ▄████▄ ███████████ █████████ ██████ ██████████ █████████▄▄ ▄██████████ ▀██████████ ██ ▄▄▄▄████████████ ▀█████████▄▄█▄ ███████████████▀ ▀██████████████████████████▀ ▀█████████████████████▀ ▀▀██████████████▀▀ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ | | B i t c o i n t a l k ▄▄▄▄▄
DONATION CAMPAIGN | | ▄ ▄██ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ▄███ ▄█████████▄ ████ ▄▄▄ ▄████████████ ▄████▀ ▀██▄▄ █████████████ ▄█████▀ ▀█████▄ █████████████ ▄██████ ▀█████▄ ███████████▀▄███████ ▀██████▄▄▀▀██████▀ ████████▀ ████████▄ ▄████████▀ █████████▄ ▄██████████ █████████████████████ ████████████████████ ███████████████████ ███████████████████ ██████████████▀▀▀ ███████▀▀▀▀ ▀▀▀▀ | | BE A HOPE FOR A LIVABLE WORLD | | ▄▄▄█████████▄▄▄ ▄▄███████████████████▄▄ ▄▄█████████████████████████▄▄ ▄███████████████████████████████▄ ▄█████████████████████████████████▄ ████████████▀▀▀▀▀██████▀▀▀▀██████████ ███████████▀ ▀█▀ ▀█████████ ███████████▀ █████████ ███████████ █████████ █████████████ ███████████ ██████████████▄ ▄████████████ ████████████████▄▄▄ ▄█▀▀ ████████ ███████████▀▀ ▀▀█▄▄▄▄▄▄██ ▄████████ ██████▀█▄ ▀▀▀█▄ ▄█████████ ██████▄ █▄ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▀▀▄███████████ ██████▄ ▀█ ▄████████████ ██████▄ ██████▄▄▄ ▄██████████████ ▀██████▄██████████████████████████▀ ▀███████████████████████████████▀ ▀▀█████████████████████████▀▀ ▀▀███████████████████▀▀ ▀▀▀█████████▀▀▀ | | ONE | | little | | HELP CHANGES EVERYTHING | | ➦ | | ..DONATE.. |
|
|
|
Maxxt
Newbie
Offline
Activity: 52
Merit: 0
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 11:52:27 AM |
|
Noobs ARE the ones, whose behaviour can be analysed and predicted with TA. HTF makes markets more volatile but that's not bad. More trading = more "quick" liquidity
|
|
|
|
Dalmar
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 11:55:58 AM |
|
Noobs ARE the ones, whose behaviour can be analysed and predicted with TA. HTF makes markets more volatile but that's not bad. More trading = more "quick" liquidity
Nope, the more noobs you have and less pro-traders the charts resemble traditional TA less and less. Just compare the early days bitcoin chart to the current one.
|
|
|
|
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ▄▄████████████████▄ ▄▄██████████████████████▄ █████████████▀█████████████▄ ▄█████████████▀ ▄█▀ ███████████ ▄██████████ ▀▀ ████████████ ▄█████████████ ▄▄▄ ▀▀██████████ █████████████▀ ████▄ ▀█████████▄ █████████████ ▀▀█▀▀ ▄██████████ ████████████▀ ▄▄ ████████████ ████████████ ▄████▄ ███████████ █████████ ██████ ██████████ █████████▄▄ ▄██████████ ▀██████████ ██ ▄▄▄▄████████████ ▀█████████▄▄█▄ ███████████████▀ ▀██████████████████████████▀ ▀█████████████████████▀ ▀▀██████████████▀▀ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ | | B i t c o i n t a l k ▄▄▄▄▄
DONATION CAMPAIGN | | ▄ ▄██ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ▄███ ▄█████████▄ ████ ▄▄▄ ▄████████████ ▄████▀ ▀██▄▄ █████████████ ▄█████▀ ▀█████▄ █████████████ ▄██████ ▀█████▄ ███████████▀▄███████ ▀██████▄▄▀▀██████▀ ████████▀ ████████▄ ▄████████▀ █████████▄ ▄██████████ █████████████████████ ████████████████████ ███████████████████ ███████████████████ ██████████████▀▀▀ ███████▀▀▀▀ ▀▀▀▀ | | BE A HOPE FOR A LIVABLE WORLD | | ▄▄▄█████████▄▄▄ ▄▄███████████████████▄▄ ▄▄█████████████████████████▄▄ ▄███████████████████████████████▄ ▄█████████████████████████████████▄ ████████████▀▀▀▀▀██████▀▀▀▀██████████ ███████████▀ ▀█▀ ▀█████████ ███████████▀ █████████ ███████████ █████████ █████████████ ███████████ ██████████████▄ ▄████████████ ████████████████▄▄▄ ▄█▀▀ ████████ ███████████▀▀ ▀▀█▄▄▄▄▄▄██ ▄████████ ██████▀█▄ ▀▀▀█▄ ▄█████████ ██████▄ █▄ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▀▀▄███████████ ██████▄ ▀█ ▄████████████ ██████▄ ██████▄▄▄ ▄██████████████ ▀██████▄██████████████████████████▀ ▀███████████████████████████████▀ ▀▀█████████████████████████▀▀ ▀▀███████████████████▀▀ ▀▀▀█████████▀▀▀ | | ONE | | little | | HELP CHANGES EVERYTHING | | ➦ | | ..DONATE.. |
|
|
|
Luno
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 11:56:40 AM |
|
Noobs ARE the ones, whose behaviour can be analysed and predicted with TA. HTF makes markets more volatile but that's not bad. More trading = more "quick" liquidity
Or smaller margins for hand job trading ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) Or getting front run by bots targeting manual traders ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) You just have to adjust as an amateur trader and don't put your orders up for the bots to steal!!
|
|
|
|
Moebius327 (OP)
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 11:57:51 AM |
|
Noobs ARE the ones, whose behaviour can be analysed and predicted with TA. HTF makes markets more volatile but that's not bad. More trading = more "quick" liquidity
Several European countries have proposed curtailing or banning HFT due to concerns about volatility. The effects of algorithmic and high-frequency trading are the subject of ongoing research. Regulators claim these practices contributed to volatility in the May 6, 2010 Flash Crash and find that risk controls are much less stringent for faster trades. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading
|
|
|
|
bitjoint
Sr. Member
![*](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/star.gif) ![*](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/star.gif) ![*](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/star.gif)
Offline
Activity: 333
Merit: 250
Commander of the Hodl Legions
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 03:10:15 PM |
|
I can't find the "Hodl!!!" option in the poll ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
|
|
|
|
johncitizen
Newbie
Offline
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 03:15:30 PM |
|
Forget what you think you know.
The worlds HFT expert,
Eric Scott Hunsader Twitter: @nanexllc
Go to nanex.net
|
|
|
|
BCB
CTG
VIP
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1002
BCJ
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 03:17:19 PM |
|
More important, this announcement means that real "professional" services, with experience in tradition FX/Trading are entering the market.
This is a good thing and indicates a maturation of the market.
|
|
|
|
bitjoint
Sr. Member
![*](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/star.gif) ![*](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/star.gif) ![*](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/star.gif)
Offline
Activity: 333
Merit: 250
Commander of the Hodl Legions
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 03:36:34 PM |
|
More important, this announcement means that real "professional" services, with experience in tradition FX/Trading are entering the market.
This is a good thing and indicates a maturation of the market.
+1, but bitcoin doesn't have enough market depth for big players (yet). I'm curious about what will happen in the coming months: which major players will jump in, etc.. I concur these are 'generally speaking' good news but we still need to see the real impact. A single "big WS guy" could crash the whole market easily since a market with this depth is like a toy for them... *Popcorn*
|
|
|
|
SeaofBTC
Newbie
Offline
Activity: 43
Merit: 0
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 03:47:43 PM |
|
Long term, HFT will be a good addition to bitcoin because it means more people will be holding it at any given time. Even if they do not intend to hold it, traders represent occupiers of bitcoin.
Short term, HFT is fairly well known to cause more volatility. For traders, this is a good thing. I look at this with excitement. For investors, this is not as good looking, but I would argue that it does not affect them as a good investor is not focused on short term fluctuations in price anyway.
There are only a few trusted/large exchanges where HFT is possible, and some of them are not willing to open for discussion. Bitstamp has a stringent 600 API calls per 10 minutes policy, and they sent me to their legal department when I was asking about that since I run a fund.
As for HFTing and TA, I saw someone say that HFTing will make TA easier to use with bitcoin. I highly doubt this will be the case. HFTers typically eat TA users for profit.
|
|
|
|
|
bitcasino
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 06:02:15 PM |
|
High Frequency losses and gains.
|
|
|
|
bitjoint
Sr. Member
![*](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/star.gif) ![*](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/star.gif) ![*](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/star.gif)
Offline
Activity: 333
Merit: 250
Commander of the Hodl Legions
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 06:31:00 PM Last edit: March 12, 2014, 06:44:25 PM by bitjoint |
|
17k orders per second... not bad. Almost like me in bitstamp's site.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW7ZfCZRER8 ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
|
|
|
|
LeChatNoir
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 06:41:13 PM |
|
HTF makes markets more volatile but that's not bad. More trading = more "quick" liquidity
This is absolutely wrong, the opposit is true.
|
Coinpanion.io - Copy Successful Crypto Traders
|
|
|
jonald_fyookball
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 07:23:19 PM |
|
HTF makes markets more volatile
No it doesn't. It changes almost nothing as far as price action because all HFT is, is computers running algos trying to scalp fractions of a penny. Anyway, market isn't liquid or deep enough to be at all practical for HFT bitcoin at this time.
|
|
|
|
Luno
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 09:36:48 PM |
|
There was some rumour early last year here that some British Asic HFT hardware manufacturer was hiring programmers knowing about bitcoin.
|
|
|
|
bananas
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 10:40:03 PM |
|
It is only for american residents, if you are not don't even bother. I actually felt scammed for my personal data when signing up for atlasats.com and i'm requiring them to delete my data.
Without any previous notice of the above stated they ask for your full name, address(anywhere in the world) and e-mail for a step 1 verification which allows only one thousand dollars deposit or withdrawal.( Which is the same as not being allowed to trade ).
Then when you try to do step 2 and 3 that allows up to 150k you see in practice that it is only for americans.
|
|
|
|
Swordsoffreedom
Legendary
Online
Activity: 2870
Merit: 1115
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 10:41:23 PM |
|
This irritates me although if you look at the charts I think someone beat them to it already the spreads are very jagged and square shapes Characteristic of an HFT bot
|
..Stake.com.. | | | ▄████████████████████████████████████▄ ██ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ██ ▄████▄ ██ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ██████████ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ██ ██████ ██ ██████████ ██ ██ ██████████ ██ ▀██▀ ██ ██ ██ ██████ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██████ ██ █████ ███ ██████ ██ ████▄ ██ ██ █████ ███ ████ ████ █████ ███ ████████ ██ ████ ████ ██████████ ████ ████ ████▀ ██ ██████████ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ██████████ ██ ██ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ██ ▀█████████▀ ▄████████████▄ ▀█████████▀ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄███ ██ ██ ███▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ██████████████████████████████████████████ | | | | | | ▄▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄ █ ▄▀▄ █▀▀█▀▄▄ █ █▀█ █ ▐ ▐▌ █ ▄██▄ █ ▌ █ █ ▄██████▄ █ ▌ ▐▌ █ ██████████ █ ▐ █ █ ▐██████████▌ █ ▐ ▐▌ █ ▀▀██████▀▀ █ ▌ █ █ ▄▄▄██▄▄▄ █ ▌▐▌ █ █▐ █ █ █▐▐▌ █ █▐█ ▀▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▀█ | | | | | | ▄▄█████████▄▄ ▄██▀▀▀▀█████▀▀▀▀██▄ ▄█▀ ▐█▌ ▀█▄ ██ ▐█▌ ██ ████▄ ▄█████▄ ▄████ ████████▄███████████▄████████ ███▀ █████████████ ▀███ ██ ███████████ ██ ▀█▄ █████████ ▄█▀ ▀█▄ ▄██▀▀▀▀▀▀▀██▄ ▄▄▄█▀ ▀███████ ███████▀ ▀█████▄ ▄█████▀ ▀▀▀███▄▄▄███▀▀▀ | | | ..PLAY NOW.. |
|
|
|
jonald_fyookball
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
March 12, 2014, 10:49:17 PM |
|
This irritates me although if you look at the charts I think someone beat them to it already the spreads are very jagged and square shapes Characteristic of an HFT bot
I just got done explaining why "HFT" barely effects price. What chart are you talking about anyway?
|
|
|
|
|