What do we expect the Mueller Report to Contain?

[TECSHARE]

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[theymos]

I've only read a little of it so far, though I'm planning on reading the whole thing. At least in the first couple dozen pages, it seems much better for Trump than I expected.

There's a brief mention of Bitcoin being used by the Russians for certain things, though it's pretty neutral.

[Daniel91]

I'm little disappointed, I have to confess.
This report is to big and I don't have time to read in full, but I read expert analysis and it seems that this is general report, without many clear facts or evidence.
So, both Democrats and Republicans can claim now that this report is good for them and that report prove President's connectivity and cooperation with Russians or that report freed him from guilt.
Now, we will see true color of politicians in Congress, more useless fights and discussions.
All will last until the next elections and will be used in the presidential campaign.

[squatz1]

I've only read a little of it so far, though I'm planning on reading the whole thing. At least in the first couple dozen pages, it seems much better for Trump than I expected.

There's a brief mention of Bitcoin being used by the Russians for certain things, though it's pretty neutral.

Any idea on which page this is on? Very curious to see what the Russians are using Bitcoin for, even if it is neutral.

Hats off to you for reading through about 448 (or so pages), I've read maybe 15 pages of it just because I was curious on certain topics. I'd love to see a little write up from you about it Theymos!

I can already see the Democrats and media pundits shifting the goal posts though, and now saying that because Trump OBSTRUCTED (which Mueller made no determination on) he should be impeached. I don't know how you can obstruct a an investigation on a crime that never happened -- but we'll see where this brings us.

I'm little disappointed, I have to confess.
This report is to big and I don't have time to read in full, but I read expert analysis and it seems that this is general report, without many clear facts or evidence.
So, both Democrats and Republicans can claim now that this report is good for them and that report prove President's connectivity and cooperation with Russians or that report freed him from guilt.
Now, we will see true color of politicians in Congress, more useless fights and discussions.
All will last until the next elections and will be used in the presidential campaign.

Eh. Any 'expert' reading it is going to have a bias. I think that the only way to get your own (as close to unbiased as possible) is to read it yourself. Though I doubt you're going to (or most) are going to want to read through 400 pages of legal and investigative mumbo jumbo.

But yeah, this is going to be another political fight that further divides the nation. Though I do think that many moderates are now seeing that Trump isn't a foreign agent, and they may be more keen to support him now. I'd like to see what opinion polls say about him within a month or two and report back.

[Quickseller]

Any idea on which page this is on? Very curious to see what the Russians are using Bitcoin for, even if it is neutral.

I haven’t had the chance to look at the report really at all. However bitcoin was mentioned in the indictments against the Russian nationals filed last year.

They had bought up a bunch of miners to mine bitcoin and used the bitcoin they mined to buy up some VPSs. They might have also used it to buy up ads, but I am not sure about this and don’t specifically remember one way or another.

[theymos]

Any idea on which page this is on? Very curious to see what the Russians are using Bitcoin for, even if it is neutral.

Pages 36-37 and 41. They mined and bought bitcoins and then used them to buy domain names and hosting, it seems.

This is a also a nice quote:

Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated -- including some associated with the Trump Campaign -- deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.

Lesson: always use encryption.

[Spendulus]

....I don't know how you can obstruct a an investigation on a crime that never happened.....

Not providing the evidence that the crime happened when the crime did not happen would of course be obstruction.

In the minds of people seeking the guilt that was pre-determined.

[Quickseller]

Any idea on which page this is on? Very curious to see what the Russians are using Bitcoin for, even if it is neutral.

Pages 36-37 and 41. They mined and bought bitcoins and then used them to buy domain names and hosting, it seems.

This is a also a nice quote:

Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated -- including some associated with the Trump Campaign -- deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.

Lesson: always use encryption.

If you are implying that using encryption will give you a license to lie to the government, I would suggest you reconsider this stance.

Whenever you are using encryption in this regard, you are always communicating with someone else. If the person you are communicating with gives up their communication keys, via corporation or otherwise will potentially allow the government to view your communications (depending on the platform), and using a means to conceal a crime is generally going to lead to a more harsh punishment if/when caught.

[OgNasty]

A link to the report if anyone is in a reading mood.  I didn't see one posted already.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955240-Full-Mueller-Report.html#document/

[Fortify]

I found it hilarious upon hearing that Mueller decided not to go after Donald Trump Jr. for one of his crimes, because he thought he was too stupid to even realize he was being used in the commission of a crime. Unfortunately they could not tie the president to any crime explicitly, but there are plenty of examples that Donald Trump is willing to throw hundreds of years of accepted protocol out the window to protect himself at the expense of democracy.

[Spendulus]

... there are plenty of examples that Donald Trump is willing to throw hundreds of years of accepted protocol out the window...

You mean, sort of like people who advocate crypto currencies do?

[Fortify]

... there are plenty of examples that Donald Trump is willing to throw hundreds of years of accepted protocol out the window...

You mean, sort of like people who advocate crypto currencies do?

Bitcoin is a currency and they have existed for a long time. Currencies have been sent electronically in various formats for a long time before bitcoin came along, so no I don't agree with your point and it is kind of irrelevant. I'm talking about fully manning the USA government with competent experts, rather than his business cronies. Like giving up all control of your business empire when becoming president, so there is no possibility for a conflict of interest to arise. There are simply too many examples of bad practice and incompetence to list.

[Flying Hellfish]

The United States of Russia, Congrats USR you're criminally justice obstructing POTUS and his campaign were actively working with Russians to affect the your elections in Trump's favour!

[Spendulus]

... there are plenty of examples that Donald Trump is willing to throw hundreds of years of accepted protocol out the window...

You mean, sort of like people who advocate crypto currencies do?

Bitcoin is a currency and they have existed for a long time. Currencies have been sent electronically in various formats for a long time before bitcoin came along, so no I don't agree with your point and it is kind of irrelevant. I'm talking about fully manning the USA government with competent experts, rather than his business cronies. Like giving up all control of your business empire when becoming president, so there is no possibility for a conflict of interest to arise. There are simply too many examples of bad practice and incompetence to list.

It's not irrelevant, unless the unstated, poorly implied meaning behind "hundreds of years of accepted protocol" can be bent to make your point.

I'm talking about fully manning the USA government with competent experts, rather than his business cronies.

This is a very puzzling opinion of yours, given that the subject is politics and political administration.  I'm reminded of Jimmy Carter bringing all his cronies to Washington, but it's not just him. And  conversely, Trump has put many, many people in place that certainly are not his "business cronies."

leaving that aside, maybe you can explain this? What is a "Cronie?"

Leaving that aside and looking at "fully manning the USA government with competent experts," I'm all for it. When do we start firing all the incompetent idiots now in the USA government?

[Quickseller]

The United States of Russia, Congrats USR you're criminally justice obstructing POTUS and his campaign were actively working with Russians to affect the your elections in Trump's favour!

The report was pretty clear in saying that Trump and his campaign were NOT working with Russians...

[OgNasty]

The United States of Russia, Congrats USR you're criminally justice obstructing POTUS and his campaign were actively working with Russians to affect the your elections in Trump's favour!

The report was pretty clear in saying that Trump and his campaign were NOT working with Russians...

Weird having a troll for a moderator.  Sort of fun depending on how you look at it I guess.  As his punishment I suggest he read every page of the report.

[TECSHARE]

... there are plenty of examples that Donald Trump is willing to throw hundreds of years of accepted protocol out the window...

You mean, sort of like people who advocate crypto currencies do?

Bitcoin is a currency and they have existed for a long time. Currencies have been sent electronically in various formats for a long time before bitcoin came along, so no I don't agree with your point and it is kind of irrelevant. I'm talking about fully manning the USA government with competent experts, rather than his business cronies. Like giving up all control of your business empire when becoming president, so there is no possibility for a conflict of interest to arise. There are simply too many examples of bad practice and incompetence to list.

This is also something a president trying to resist a coup might do...

[Spendulus]

... there are plenty of examples that Donald Trump is willing to throw hundreds of years of accepted protocol out the window...

You mean, sort of like people who advocate crypto currencies do?

Bitcoin is a currency and they have existed for a long time. Currencies have been sent electronically in various formats for a long time before bitcoin came along, so no I don't agree with your point and it is kind of irrelevant. I'm talking about fully manning the USA government with competent experts, rather than his business cronies. Like giving up all control of your business empire when becoming president, so there is no possibility for a conflict of interest to arise. There are simply too many examples of bad practice and incompetence to list.

This is also something a president trying to resist a coup might do...

True, but I'm still unable to unravel the phrase "hundreds of years of accepted protocol" as it relates to the situation.

The closest I can come is to consider the way Democrats and DC insiders tried to execute a coup. That certainly has not been accepted protocol, at least in the US of A.

[Waradlain]

Alright lads so what about "I'm fucked part"?
If I assume there is nothing they can find against me, why would I react this way?

[Quickseller]

Alright lads so what about "I'm fucked part"?
If I assume there is nothing they can find against me, why would I react this way?

The conversation was surrounding the impact of having a special counsel to his Presidency. It was being discussed that a special counsel will prevent Trump's presidency from getting things done, which is what happened. Trump also lost the political momentum that he had from being just elected.