[SUGGESTION] Campaigns Should Be Self Moderated - Edited

[yahoo62278]

I get all sorts applying in campaign threads as do all the other managers who open a topic. What gets me is these users who are obvious farmers and have made 1 post in the last 4 months applying to a campaign that they have 0.0000000000% chance of being accepted to. At least if managed by me.

I look at all profiles and check the activity of an account period before accepting anyone. I'm also checking earned merits and use this as a deciding factor if it comes down to 1 spot open with multiple applicants. Bottom line, users who are more popular are better for a campaign.

There is a positive to users applying for a campaign even though it is full though. Since most users know I will skip the application if a signature is not worn when applying, (certain situations like already in a sig campaign and waiting for payment before leaving can be overlooked as long as a user lets me know when applying) it is free advertising for the company they apply for if they post while wearing the signature.

Some would argue that its shady to ask users to wear sig before applying saying a company is just looking for free advertisement, but I would argue that if you don't like the application process, do not apply. I post when a campaign is full, so users should read the title.

As far as self moderated threads or telling users the campaign is full all of the time, I have decided just to add all farmers and users who obviously cannot or do not care to read on the SMAS blacklist. The new policy goes into effect as of now.

Link to my Blacklist https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1661654.msg16680971#msg16680971

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[tranthidung]

I like the changes of forum.
In the last two months, there are more and more self-made users, Full Member and above ranks.
I seriously thought that the forum has jumped into new era, in which self-made users will dominate campaigns (quality campaigns, I meant).
Such luckily high rank users who are not able to earn only singly merit years after merit system born won't have chance to join.

I'm also checking earned merits and use this as a deciding factor if it comes down to 1 spot open with multiple applicants.

I don't agree with this.
Sometimes, applicants have been on other campaigns, but yours give higher payment rates, so they want to switch to yours.
In addition, they need to get your acceptance before officially switching to your campaign.
The approach depends on each manager, but I don't support the approach.

I will skip the application if a signature is not worn when applying, (certain situations like already in a sig campaign and waiting for payment before leaving can be overlooked as long as a user lets me know when applying) it is free advertising for the company they apply for if they post while wearing the signature.

[mirakal]

Every manager has different style, normally for yahoo he has a lot of participants in single campaign so he will prioritize those who are wearing signature already. For Hhampuz, I observed that he accepts applicants even without wearing the signature, so with knowing these pointers, participants will be aware, and I wish they will see this thread here.

I agree with you tranthidung that the merit system has help this forum improve, we don't see lots of spam anymore these days, and manager did a good job for that as they will only select applicants with great posting habit and good numbers of merit and these will discourage the spammers.

[tranthidung]

I agree with you tranthidung that the merit system has help this forum improve

Spam has been definitely reduced dramatically.
However, if someone can give me data points per month, I can draw a time series plot for total intra-month posts of the forum.
I actually did it, but from arbitrarily data dumps by @theymos, and forum available data (but it stopped update since last year).

From forum data update:

From theymos' arbitrary data dump weeks ago:

Total new accounts dropped deeply, I am not sure about total new posts made.

[pawanjain]

Total new accounts dropped deeply, I am not sure about total new posts made.

It's quite obvious that the total new accounts getting created in a month would drop. Before the merit system was launched, users just needed sufficient activity points to rank up which wasn't a big deal.
Just making some posts time to time would rank up any user and hence people used to create multiple accounts for obvious reasons. Merit system has changed everything now.
It's not so easy to earn a merit and hence it has become even more tough for users to rank up and only the users whose posts are constructive and worthy are getting ranked up these days.
People have realized this fact and hence they don't create multiple accounts  since getting ranked up on one account itself is such a big deal these days.

I do have a habit on watching every active campaign, if you'll gonna ask me why, I can't answer that for I really don't know why.

And now here is the thing, as we have been seeing it clearly many users are killing their time applying on some campaigns even if its still closed ( I also once one of the scumbags ) Though Managers aren't now looking behind of their announcements (mostly) they're still being disturb and some what irritated by those unnecessary applications just like this 👇

So, I think it's better for the Managers to make their threads locked if they already get the spots reserved. And will just open it again if there is something to announce or a vacant position has been opened. Self-Moderated, even though some users doesn't like SMTs (Self-Moderated Threads --- To avoid and DELETE unnecessary applications of lazy non-reading thread users )

It may be a hassle thing to do, but I think it is way more effective rather than ignoring the applications or anything else

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I think as long as the campaign manager is trustworthy, a self moderated thread isn't necessary since people believe in the campaign managers (like Yahoo, Hhampuz etc..)
They have been doing their job pretty decently and I have never seen any user arguing with them for getting selected in the campaign.

[HODL2090]

It really does not hurt much if a couple of people apply on an already full campaign without reading the rules. It would be much of a bigger issue to lock up threads of open campaigns and only allow comments when you have an announcement.
It's much easier, but not ideal especially when you are trying to portray transparency and accountability.
There are other issues to be treated on the thread, payments, et all.
Self moderated threads is also not advisable

[Pmalek]

I think set some local rules are appropriate:
- Applications from brandnew, newbies or unjoinable ranks (depends on each campaign) will be deleted without announcement.
- Applications when no open slots announced will be deleted too (but I doubt that managers will spend their time to deleted such applications).

The problem is that if members can't see or want to see that a campaign is full they are not going to read the local rules either and just apply anyways.

another downside of doing something like this is that next thing you know are people who will start complaining that the campaign manager deleted their posts so that he can have his own alt accounts enter in his own campaign without any competition...

The campaign manager is the one making the decision who will be accepted so doing that in a self-moderated thread or a normal thread will not increase anyone's chances to enter the campaign.
The only problem of having a self-moderator thread is like some people suggested it can be used to delete posts you don't like for whatever reason, like scam accusations or problems with payments.
But in terms of user applications it makes no difference. If I apply for a campaign and the manager doesn't like the quality of my posting he is not going to accept me, be it in a self-moderated thread (where he can delete my post) or in a normal thread where he can just ignore it and pick someone else. 

[Lucius]

I do not see any big problem is fact that some users post their applications even though the title say campaign is closed / full. In this way they only show their ignorance, respectively showing campaign manager how quality candidates they are, and in that way disqualify themselves from participating in the campaign.

Campaign managers can report (or not) such posts to moderators if they want to keep their threads clean. I also do not see problem in creating self-moderated threads if campaign manager is trusted, and one of the examples was signature campaign for CoinPayments managed by Lauda.