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May 09, 2019, 08:38:35 PM
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Thank you for some directions. Now it's time to play with that. One question though: I use the GUI. What happens after system restart or gpu crash? Everything stays the same or do i have to apply the values again?

You're welcome.

You have to apply the values again yes. See this as a positive thing ;-)

Cheers!

Thanks to your advice of playing with "tRFC" (along with Timing Level 2 setting) I've got a boost on CN-R, CN waltz and CN soft shell. I've got stable GPUs. What other values are better to change after this 1st step please ? Thanks !


Can you share some of those tRFC settings, it will give me an idea where to start on RX580s.
Thx

All GPUs are RX574

120 for Samsung memory.
125 for weak GPU with Elpida/Hynix
105 (stock value) for my Sapphire ITX  (Elpida/Hynix)

EDIT: these are timings for CN Soft Shell (Turtlecoin).

So you pushed your tRFC values up for your RX570's. I thought we were suppose to lower them slowly?

I had 153 and 163 before lowering them
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Anyone has any idea about what could be causing this?

I have already verified it isn't driver related and most of the times I get zeros from all cards. Some times it will work normally, some times I will only get readings from some cards, as in the log below.

Needless to say I can't set any timings for the cards not giving proper readings.

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GPU 1:  Vega 10 XL/XT [Radeon RX Vega 56/64]    Memory state: 0x0 (unknown)
Timing 1          CL: 0   RAS: 0          RCDRD: 0        RCDWR: 0
Timing 2          RCAb (RC): 0    RCPb (RC): 0    RPAb (RP): 0    RPPb (RP): 0
Timing 3          RRDS: 0         RRDL: 0         RTP: 0
Timing 4          FAW: 0
Timing 5          CWL: 0          WTRS: 0         WTRL: 0
Timing 6          WR: 0
Timing 7          RREFD: 0
Timing 8          RDRDDD: 0       RDRDSD: 0       RDRDSC: 0       RDRDSCL: 0
Timing 9          WRWRDD: 0       WRWRSD: 0       WRWRSC: 0       WRWRSCL: 0
Timing 10         WRRD: 0         RDWR: 0
Timing 12         REF: 0
Timing 13         MRD: 0          MOD: 0
Timing 14         XS: 0
Timing 16         XSMRS: 0
Timing 17         PD: 0   CKSRE: 0        CKSRX: 0
Timing 20         RFCPB: 0        STAG: 0
Timing 21         XP: 0   CPDED: 0        CKE: 0
Timing 22         RDDATA: 0       WRLAT: 0        RDLAT: 0        WRDATA: 0
Timing 23         CKESTAG: 0
RFC Timing        RFC: 0

GPU 2:  Vega 10 XL/XT [Radeon RX Vega 56/64]    Memory state: 0x0 (unknown)
Timing 1          CL: 0   RAS: 0          RCDRD: 0        RCDWR: 0
Timing 2          RCAb (RC): 0    RCPb (RC): 0    RPAb (RP): 0    RPPb (RP): 0
Timing 3          RRDS: 0         RRDL: 0         RTP: 0
Timing 4          FAW: 0
Timing 5          CWL: 0          WTRS: 0         WTRL: 0
Timing 6          WR: 0
Timing 7          RREFD: 0
Timing 8          RDRDDD: 0       RDRDSD: 0       RDRDSC: 0       RDRDSCL: 0
Timing 9          WRWRDD: 0       WRWRSD: 0       WRWRSC: 0       WRWRSCL: 0
Timing 10         WRRD: 0         RDWR: 0
Timing 12         REF: 0
Timing 13         MRD: 0          MOD: 0
Timing 14         XS: 0
Timing 16         XSMRS: 0
Timing 17         PD: 0   CKSRE: 0        CKSRX: 0
Timing 20         RFCPB: 0        STAG: 0
Timing 21         XP: 0   CPDED: 0        CKE: 0
Timing 22         RDDATA: 0       WRLAT: 0        RDLAT: 0        WRDATA: 0
Timing 23         CKESTAG: 0
RFC Timing        RFC: 0

GPU 3:  Vega 10 XL/XT [Radeon RX Vega 56/64]    Memory state: 0x118 (800MHz)
Timing 1          CL: 17          RAS: 27         RCDRD: 13       RCDWR: 8
Timing 2          RCAb (RC): 39   RCPb (RC): 39   RPAb (RP): 12   RPPb (RP): 12
Timing 3          RRDS: 4         RRDL: 5         RTP: 5
Timing 4          FAW: 13
Timing 5          CWL: 6          WTRS: 3         WTRL: 7
Timing 6          WR: 13
Timing 7          RREFD: 7
Timing 8          RDRDDD: 3       RDRDSD: 2       RDRDSC: 1       RDRDSCL: 3
Timing 9          WRWRDD: 3       WRWRSD: 2       WRWRSC: 1       WRWRSCL: 3
Timing 10         WRRD: 1         RDWR: 17
Timing 12         REF: 3120
Timing 13         MRD: 8          MOD: 12
Timing 14         XS: 216
Timing 16         XSMRS: 6
Timing 17         PD: 6   CKSRE: 8        CKSRX: 8
Timing 20         RFCPB: 128      STAG: 7
Timing 21         XP: 6   CPDED: 2        CKE: 6
Timing 22         RDDATA: 16      WRLAT: 4        RDLAT: 14       WRDATA: 1
Timing 23         CKESTAG: 2
RFC Timing        RFC: 208

GPU 4:  Vega 10 XL/XT [Radeon RX Vega 56/64]    Memory state: 0x118 (800MHz)
Timing 1          CL: 17          RAS: 27         RCDRD: 13       RCDWR: 8
Timing 2          RCAb (RC): 39   RCPb (RC): 39   RPAb (RP): 12   RPPb (RP): 12
Timing 3          RRDS: 4         RRDL: 5         RTP: 5
Timing 4          FAW: 13
Timing 5          CWL: 6          WTRS: 3         WTRL: 7
Timing 6          WR: 13
Timing 7          RREFD: 7
Timing 8          RDRDDD: 3       RDRDSD: 2       RDRDSC: 1       RDRDSCL: 3
Timing 9          WRWRDD: 3       WRWRSD: 2       WRWRSC: 1       WRWRSCL: 3
Timing 10         WRRD: 1         RDWR: 17
Timing 12         REF: 3120
Timing 13         MRD: 8          MOD: 12
Timing 14         XS: 216
Timing 16         XSMRS: 6
Timing 17         PD: 6   CKSRE: 8        CKSRX: 8
Timing 20         RFCPB: 128      STAG: 7
Timing 21         XP: 6   CPDED: 2        CKE: 6
Timing 22         RDDATA: 16      WRLAT: 4        RDLAT: 14       WRDATA: 1
Timing 23         CKESTAG: 2
RFC Timing        RFC: 208

A quick update on that issue, still unresolved unfortunately. I'm back on 19.4.3 currently, played a bit more with the GUI, still getting zeros and memory status 0x0 most of the times, had a couple of lucky runs after numerous restarts and managed to export some working .xml files.

Now, importing the .xml file obviously doesn't do much and everything resets to zero the moment I hit "apply", but again in some cases, I get this error and I thought maybe (hopefully) it isn't unrelated?
Code:
ADL2_OverdriveN_SettingsExt_Set : Generic Error. Most likely one or more of the Escape calls to the driver failed!
 

I have also spent quite a bit of time comparing (software-wise) this with another perfectly working test system I have, made a few changes just in case, nothing seems to be helping and the systems were very similar to begin with anyway. In terms of hardware though, they are day and night so it could be anything. The most relevant difference I can think of obviously is the on-board GPU of each system? Intel on the working one, HD 8330 on the other.

Eliovp, can you think of any way that 8330 could be interfering? I have nothing else to try at the moment, next step is disable the 8330 from the BIOS but I won't be near that system for another couple of weeks and I only have remote access for now. I already tried disabling from device manager but it stops the GUI from running altogether. I can't remember the exact error but I can give it another try if it could be of any help.

edit: HD 8330 disabled in device manager, no change for CLI, GUI gives the following errors.
Code:
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ADLException
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ADL2_OverdriveN_MemoryTimingLevel_Get : Generic Error. Most likely one or more of the Escape calls to the driver failed!

   at WinFormsGUI.ADL.GetTimingLevels(UInt16 adapterIndex, Int32& defaultValue, Int32& currentValue, Int32[]& levels)

   at WinFormsGUI.GDDR5Control.RefreshADL()

   at WinFormsGUI.GDDR5Control.RefreshTimings()

   at WinFormsGUI.GDDR5Control.ReadAndDisplay(VGAChip chip, UInt16 adapterIndex, ToolTip toolTip)

   at WinFormsGUI.MainForm..ctor()

   at WinFormsGUI.Program.Main()
---------------------------
OK   
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Code:
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ADLException
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ADL2_OverdriveN_Temperature_Get : Generic Error. Most likely one or more of the Escape calls to the driver failed!

   at WinFormsGUI.ADL.GetTemperature(UInt16 adapterIndex, Int32& temperature)

   at WinFormsGUI.GDDR5Control.Timer_Tick(Object sender, EventArgs e)

   at System.Windows.Forms.Timer.OnTick(EventArgs e)

   at System.Windows.Forms.Timer.TimerNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)

   at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
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OK   
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May 09, 2019, 10:15:39 PM
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Thank you for some directions. Now it's time to play with that. One question though: I use the GUI. What happens after system restart or gpu crash? Everything stays the same or do i have to apply the values again?

You're welcome.

You have to apply the values again yes. See this as a positive thing ;-)

Cheers!

Thanks to your advice of playing with "tRFC" (along with Timing Level 2 setting) I've got a boost on CN-R, CN waltz and CN soft shell. I've got stable GPUs. What other values are better to change after this 1st step please ? Thanks !


Can you share some of those tRFC settings, it will give me an idea where to start on RX580s.
Thx

All GPUs are RX574

120 for Samsung memory.
125 for weak GPU with Elpida/Hynix
105 (stock value) for my Sapphire ITX  (Elpida/Hynix)

EDIT: these are timings for CN Soft Shell (Turtlecoin).

So you pushed your tRFC values up for your RX570's. I thought we were suppose to lower them slowly?

I had 153 and 163 before lowering them

AHH, got it. My values started in the early 200's
Got all cards down to the late 120's before crashing. Thanks for the tips.
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Hey im kinda new to mining. things have changed since but i was wondering how you configured your amd rx570? i tried using the settings but am having a hard time getting results. im at 28mhz but cant seem to get it passed that.

also, whenever i try to change and apply my new timing settings itll revert back and also show zero change in hash?
little confuzzled here

thanks guys

heres a screen shot

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tsaavp0mnsug2ub/miningamd.jpg?dl=0

*edit: im basically trying to undersdtand if the software stays in the newly changed settings or does it revert back to its original settings because of bad inputs? im really confused haha sorry guys, really noob question.  Smiley
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Hey guys, I don't have the 'timing level' box in the lower right of the GUI version of the tool. Is that something that only appears with bios modded cards?
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Hey guys, I don't have the 'timing level' box in the lower right of the GUI version of the tool. Is that something that only appears with bios modded cards?

It was a new feature in 19.x drivers... are you using older (18.x) drivers?
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Hey guys, I don't have the 'timing level' box in the lower right of the GUI version of the tool. Is that something that only appears with bios modded cards?

It was a new feature in 19.x drivers... are you using older (18.x) drivers?

Yup, 18.6.1 - thanks for the explanation. I wondered why it wasn't there.
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Thank you for some directions. Now it's time to play with that. One question though: I use the GUI. What happens after system restart or gpu crash? Everything stays the same or do i have to apply the values again?

You're welcome.

You have to apply the values again yes. See this as a positive thing ;-)

Cheers!

Thanks to your advice of playing with "tRFC" (along with Timing Level 2 setting) I've got a boost on CN-R, CN waltz and CN soft shell. I've got stable GPUs. What other values are better to change after this 1st step please ? Thanks !


Can you share some of those tRFC settings, it will give me an idea where to start on RX580s.
Thx

All GPUs are RX574

120 for Samsung memory.
125 for weak GPU with Elpida/Hynix
105 (stock value) for my Sapphire ITX  (Elpida/Hynix)

EDIT: these are timings for CN Soft Shell (Turtlecoin).

So you pushed your tRFC values up for your RX570's. I thought we were suppose to lower them slowly?

I had 153 and 163 before lowering them

AHH, got it. My values started in the early 200's
Got all cards down to the late 120's before crashing. Thanks for the tips.

Try the same values that people are posting for.vegas these are some good starting points. Not the same numbers of.course for rx's. Try RC and RP   RCR  etc and just lower a few.
I have some good straps for CN on my RX's but already gained about 3% playing with these.
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Thank you for some directions. Now it's time to play with that. One question though: I use the GUI. What happens after system restart or gpu crash? Everything stays the same or do i have to apply the values again?

You're welcome.

You have to apply the values again yes. See this as a positive thing ;-)

Cheers!

Thanks to your advice of playing with "tRFC" (along with Timing Level 2 setting) I've got a boost on CN-R, CN waltz and CN soft shell. I've got stable GPUs. What other values are better to change after this 1st step please ? Thanks !


Can you share some of those tRFC settings, it will give me an idea where to start on RX580s.
Thx

All GPUs are RX574

120 for Samsung memory.
125 for weak GPU with Elpida/Hynix
105 (stock value) for my Sapphire ITX  (Elpida/Hynix)

EDIT: these are timings for CN Soft Shell (Turtlecoin).

So you pushed your tRFC values up for your RX570's. I thought we were suppose to lower them slowly?

I had 153 and 163 before lowering them

AHH, got it. My values started in the early 200's
Got all cards down to the late 120's before crashing. Thanks for the tips.

Try the same values that people are posting for.vegas these are some good starting points. Not the same numbers of.course for rx's. Try RC and RP   RCR  etc and just lower a few.
I have some good straps for CN on my RX's but already gained about 3% playing with these.

Fancy posting those values so we have a baseline percentage of how much to reduce each by?
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Anyone has any idea about what could be causing this?

This could be caused by the known bug that the driver installer sometimes does not copy atiadlxx.dll and atiadlxy.dll to sysWOW64.
Check them if they are missing. If they are there also check the filedate, because they might be from an older version.
Copy atiadlxy.dll from the C:\AMD\... folder to SysWOW64 and rename it to atiadlxx.dll and also copy it again with the original name (atiadlxy.dll).
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First I would  check the resources of your machine  to determine if it  reports a conflict-e.g., an interrupt (IRQ) conflict. If any, try to remove your cards (one-by-one) until the stable configuration is achieved.
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Thank you both for the suggestions.

Zorg33, I checked the files and they seemed alright (date, size, everything). I still went ahead and copied the file from C:\AMD just to make sure, still no change I'm afraid. I also uninstalled everything w/DDU, double-checked the files were deleted and installed the driver again. Again, no change.

naska21, could you elaborate a bit? The system is running fine, mining for days non-stop, I just can't make AMD Memory Tweak work for whatever reason. I could be missing something of course.

edit: forgot to mention, no conflicts in device manager.
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Thank you both for the suggestions.

Zorg33, I checked the files and they seemed alright (date, size, everything). I still went ahead and copied the file from C:\AMD just to make sure, still no change I'm afraid. I also uninstalled everything w/DDU, double-checked the files were deleted and installed the driver again. Again, no change.

naska21, could you elaborate a bit? The system is running fine, mining for days non-stop, I just can't make AMD Memory Tweak work for whatever reason. I could be missing something of course.

edit: forgot to mention, no conflicts in device manager.

Have you tried the CLI version? --> here

Strong feeling it's an ADL issue..

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Yes, I have the same issue with both versions. Only difference is CLI isn't giving any errors, doesn't apply the timings either though.

It turns out the "ADL2_OverdriveN_SettingsExt_Set" error I mentioned earlier may be unrelated after all. I just realized I'm only getting it trying to import previously saved .xml files, but if I manually change any value and hit apply it works. After a lucky boot that is, if any of my cards happens to show any readings in GUI.

I thought it was just xml files saved with different drivers that caused it at first, but I didn't see any reference to driver version in any of my xml files. I used to import no problem before the driver reinstall, come to think of it, I reinstalled the same driver first time around. I'm on 19.4.1 currently.
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Thank you both for the suggestions.

Zorg33, I checked the files and they seemed alright (date, size, everything). I still went ahead and copied the file from C:\AMD just to make sure, still no change I'm afraid. I also uninstalled everything w/DDU, double-checked the files were deleted and installed the driver again. Again, no change.

naska21, could you elaborate a bit? The system is running fine, mining for days non-stop, I just can't make AMD Memory Tweak work for whatever reason. I could be missing something of course.

edit: forgot to mention, no conflicts in device manager.

Have you tried the CLI version? --> here

Strong feeling it's an ADL issue..

thanks for your great tool!

I have one rig it cannot change the any values by your tool

C:\Users\G4560\Desktop\AMT\CLI>WinAMDTweak.exe --i 0 --rfc 175
Successfully applied new RFC settings to GPU 0.

C:\Users\G4560\Desktop\AMT\CLI>WinAMDTweak.exe --i 0 --current
GPU 0:  Baffin [Radeon RX 550 640SP / RX 560/560X]
PMG:      CKSRE: 2        CKSRX: 2        CKE_PULSE: 10   CKE: 10         SEQ_IDLE: 7
CAS:      CL: 22          W2R: 16         R2R: 5          CCLD: 2         R2W: 27         NOPR: 0         NOPW: 0
RAS:      RC: 65          RRD: 6          RCDRA: 24       RCDR: 24        RCDWA: 19       RCDW: 19
MISC:     RFC: 178        TRP: 24         RP_RDA: 27      RP_WRA: 58
MISC2:    WDATATR: 0      T32AW: 0        CRCWL: 25       CRCRL: 3        FAW: 0          PA2WDATA: 0     PA2RDATA: 0
M3(MR4):          RAS: 41
DRAM1:    RASMACTWR: 9    RASMACTRD: 5    ACTWR: 0        ACTRD: 4
DRAM2:    RAS2RAS: 21     RP: 7   WRPLUSRP: 13    BUS_TURN: 9

both cli and gui version have the same problem, the cards was 8 rx 550 4gb micron memory

win10 64, 1607, change several drivers 18.6.1 19.4.X 19.3.X, default or mod bios are the same,

all the same, just can not change any value, when i apply, they just restore to default value, any ideas?

of course, I did it when the rig was mining. I found the bios only have 1500 strap, nothing above the 1500, is it the reason? how to fix it?
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May 11, 2019, 09:57:22 AM
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Eliovp, are there specific parameters in all the present ones to lower power consuption on RX cards ?

Thanks again for your tool !
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Great tool!
Can somebody shares some good settings for Radeon VII, please?
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thanks for your great tool!

I have one rig it cannot change the any values by your tool

C:\Users\G4560\Desktop\AMT\CLI>WinAMDTweak.exe --i 0 --rfc 175
Successfully applied new RFC settings to GPU 0.

C:\Users\G4560\Desktop\AMT\CLI>WinAMDTweak.exe --i 0 --current
GPU 0:  Baffin [Radeon RX 550 640SP / RX 560/560X]
PMG:      CKSRE: 2        CKSRX: 2        CKE_PULSE: 10   CKE: 10         SEQ_IDLE: 7
CAS:      CL: 22          W2R: 16         R2R: 5          CCLD: 2         R2W: 27         NOPR: 0         NOPW: 0
RAS:      RC: 65          RRD: 6          RCDRA: 24       RCDR: 24        RCDWA: 19       RCDW: 19
MISC:     RFC: 178        TRP: 24         RP_RDA: 27      RP_WRA: 58
MISC2:    WDATATR: 0      T32AW: 0        CRCWL: 25       CRCRL: 3        FAW: 0          PA2WDATA: 0     PA2RDATA: 0
M3(MR4):          RAS: 41
DRAM1:    RASMACTWR: 9    RASMACTRD: 5    ACTWR: 0        ACTRD: 4
DRAM2:    RAS2RAS: 21     RP: 7   WRPLUSRP: 13    BUS_TURN: 9

both cli and gui version have the same problem, the cards was 8 rx 550 4gb micron memory

win10 64, 1607, change several drivers 18.6.1 19.4.X 19.3.X, default or mod bios are the same,

all the same, just can not change any value, when i apply, they just restore to default value, any ideas?

of course, I did it when the rig was mining. I found the bios only have 1500 strap, nothing above the 1500, is it the reason? how to fix it?

That sounds very similar to the issue I'm having, only difference is I usually get no readings from the cards, that's on vegas though. Any value I try to change resets to zero the moment I hit apply too.

The other thing is sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't in my case. I have also noticed it may work at first, enough to set my timings, but if I close the GUI and reopen it I'm back to zero readings and not being able to change anything. Previously set timings stick of course, unless I reboot.

I'm not sure what I'm looking for as this is apparently a rare issue (assuming it is the same issue), but do you see any similarities in our systems? Mine is an older AMD 4 core CPU with an on-board HD 8330, single 4GB stick of DDR3, Win10x64 updated to latest a few days ago. I only use PPT, OverdriveNTool and HWinfo64 to monitor and control the cards and I always install AMD drivers without Wattman/AMD settings or anything. This is a dedicated miner so not much else is installed in terms of software.

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May 11, 2019, 01:08:22 PM
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Eliovp, are there specific parameters in all the present ones to lower power consuption on RX cards ?

Thanks again for your tool !

Core control, lower the voltage. 1200MHz and 850/860mV is very stable for me (RX574s)
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May 11, 2019, 01:43:52 PM
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Can somebody shares some good settings for Radeon VII, please?

I need too. but people keeping silent. But disput about oldest cards - 290x and 470.  Grin
We are needing support for new card. Navi is coming!  Cheesy but we don't have normal settings for vega 20 (radeon VII )
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