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Author Topic: [BCN] Bytecoin. Secure, private, untraceable since 2012  (Read 1039234 times)
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June 22, 2014, 09:34:10 PM
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SO is this another clone of the orignal sha256d coin bytecoin as am getting confused with all the coins coming out or this made to be like it and on another algorythem

Have you even read the OP?

 Think you need to come up with more of original name than using another as it will confuse people as it done with me

Again, BCN is said to have been started in 2012. If that's true then it does have an original name.

The original sha bytecoin started in July 2012 so if it started the same time then would have to see what one come first but this BCN I would of known of if around in 2012 however didn't have custom such algos back then. Unless it is the orignal BCN bytecoin re releasing under another algo but will have to see what one come first and i am searten it was BCN Bytecoin that was in july 2012
You have probably wrong information. Could you show some reference about BTE – Bytecoin launch if you claim that original sha bytecoin started in July 2012? People in this thread know that BCN was launched before BTE. ..but BCN was hidden before the public at that time.

Well if it wasn't public information then it wasn't released to public and official release publicly https://bytecoin.org/ is their website and dates on the site with the following details on bottom right

2 Years Of Stable Work
Launched back in July 2012, Bytecoin has proved that it is going to stay
for years to come.
If you want to know something more about BCN Bytecoin I would recommend you to read Subreddit (Bytecoin (BCN) history summaries): http://www.reddit.com/r/BytecoinBCN/. You will find there all important info.

I like Bytecoin (BCN). BYTECOIN.ORG the best to mine with MinerGate
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June 22, 2014, 10:08:57 PM
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or read this thread as this has been discussed over and over.. and over and over.. and over ...... and over again.

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June 22, 2014, 10:11:39 PM
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can someone explain me how to withdraw bytecoins from minergate.

i tried it to an exchange and to my wallet. everytime failed.

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June 22, 2014, 10:26:27 PM
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can someone explain me how to withdraw bytecoins from minergate.

i tried it to an exchange and to my wallet. everytime failed.
lol that's why you don't mine at minergate.
They have been having these issues forever you can read there thread

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June 22, 2014, 10:31:09 PM
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great.. Sad

what bytecoinpool is the best?

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June 22, 2014, 10:35:13 PM
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can someone explain me how to withdraw bytecoins from minergate.

i tried it to an exchange and to my wallet. everytime failed.
lol that's why you don't mine at minergate.
They have been having these issues forever you can read there thread

Thanks for the heads up as I  was about to start using their services guess I wont now as seen your post about payments not working.

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June 22, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
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can someone explain me how to withdraw bytecoins from minergate.

i tried it to an exchange and to my wallet. everytime failed.
lol that's why you don't mine at minergate.
They have been having these issues forever you can read there thread

Thanks for the heads up as I  was about to start using their services guess I wont now as seen your post about payments not working.
don't get me wrong I actually like minergate, they have a great gui miner that makes mining for the masses simple.  but it took me over a week to get qcn coins out and on the there forum thread there are dozens of posts per day regarding similar issues with most coins.

they have done great work on there site and have spent a lot of time on it, but I am of the feeling that none of that work matters if you can't withdraw coins once mined.

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June 23, 2014, 12:00:27 AM
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can someone explain me how to withdraw bytecoins from minergate.

i tried it to an exchange and to my wallet. everytime failed.
lol that's why you don't mine at minergate.
They have been having these issues forever you can read there thread

Thanks for the heads up as I  was about to start using their services guess I wont now as seen your post about payments not working.
don't get me wrong I actually like minergate, they have a great gui miner that makes mining for the masses simple.  but it took me over a week to get qcn coins out and on the there forum thread there are dozens of posts per day regarding similar issues with most coins.

they have done great work on there site and have spent a lot of time on it, but I am of the feeling that none of that work matters if you can't withdraw coins once mined.

i also liked their gui but if i cant move my coins its useless for me

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June 23, 2014, 12:16:16 AM
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Thinking about that pool I just had a look over it and am sure I used in the past and ever got anything in return. Will have to download again and see if I have an balances in wallets with them.

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The withdraw function is sometimes buggy on Minergate, but I've never gone more than 2 days without my withdrawal and that only happened once awhile back while they were performing maintenance.  Usually it ranges from instant to an hour at most for a withdrawal to go through, in my experience.
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Hello, folks! I've made one more step in further BCN/CN research.
I've analyzed two years old bulk of transactions in Bytecoin and here's the result.
Full text (.pdf): http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/451593/txan.pdf

Initial Data
  • 500k of blocks from 2012-07-04  to 2014-06-10
  • 210k of transactions
  • 4m inputs
  • 2.7m outputs

Glossary
  •  blockId - number of the block
  • amount - total inputs (defined as transfer+change)
  • mixinCount - size of the ring signature, level of anonymity (1 - min)
  • transfer - estimated amount of transaction
  • change - estimated amount of change

Note: normally the transfer is half as much as the amount (the reason for this is a simplistic algorithm of change calculation), therefore majority of transfer charts will be looking very similar to amount charts
(with coefficient 2 on one of the scales). Most of the times when transaction is mentioned the reader should perceive the notion as amount, although a few exceptions may occur.

All the figures are expressed as 1012 of BCN atomic units. The reward amount for the early blocks if calculated in such units equals 70.

Amount of funds in transactions

Firstly, let's look how the amounts are distributed over the periods of time. The first chart shows the number of amounts below 300. There are approximately 198k of those (93.4%)


The highest points represent the round amounts, those are sent and received more frequently. The rest of the amounts form a Chi-squared distribution with 5-8 degrees of freedom. It's hard to say whether this
distribution is normal or not. However seeing the straight horizontal line on this chart would have been more surprising.
It is worth mentioning that we are looking at input amounts as opposed to transfer amounts i.e. the available funds that are used to form a transaction. The most popular sizes of amounts are residing within
30-60 region, which corresponds to the average block size for the first 1.5 years. Based on these figures we may conclude that either users transferred freshly mined coins to the wallets for safekeeping (e.g. cold
storage) or spent them right away - it is clear that the majority of the blocks were spent entirely in the first 1.5 years.

Now let's take a look at the tail distribution (amounts from 500 to 1000)


Here we can observe an interesting pattern that goes by the name Benford's Law : in decimal fraction of a number, 1 will be more persistent than 2, 2 more persistent than 3 and so on. Perhaps there's some sort of mystery since we are not seeing the same pattern on the previous chart. The number of large transactions is marginal; perhaps they were executed by different type of users? It is also clear that the same pattern will be present for large amount transfers distribution.

And this is an almost complete distribution of all amounts.


Here we can see that the large amounts distribution does not t the overall pattern. If there was one unifying principle, the Benford's law pattern would have been applicable to smaller round amounts, which is not the case. It can therefore be deduced that the large transactions belong to a separate class of users whereas smallish transactions are random and may have resulted as online purchases of goods or debt settlements or whatever.

Here is the distribution of transaction amounts


Analysis of the transactions that were executed in the first 1.5 years showed that the most frequently spent amounts are ranging from 1 to 3 blocks in size. The tail contains 21K of transactions namely 10% (nearly all of them below 1500).

Now let's look at the distribution of transfers below 300. There the picture is not clear and distribution is not even. It becomes more obvious if you look closely at amounts below 120:


It seems that if the amount of change could be more precisely calculated it would have been easier to draw a conclusion on the types of expenditures that had taken place. So far we can see a signifi cant increase
in low volume transactions (with amounts around 5). It resembles the one-time transfers to friends to try out the new coin while the larger chunk of transactions is concentrated far back on the time line.

Timeline Intervals

Here is 4 charts with 10K, 50K, 100K and 150K transactions. And here is one more: all of them below 300.


It is clear that preceding transactions are more evenly distributed. One possible explanation is that they were conducted as testing transactions to provide sufficient amount of outputs for future ring signatures. After that the final distribution has started to grow.
One can draw a conclusion that as the first chart shows the number of users has started to grow steadily. There is no need for transfers chart since the idea there is similar. Although certain increase in low volume transactions (5) is visible.

Now we'll try to compare the increase in transactions for different time periods. The oldest 30K transactions are the first to be examined.


Familiar pattern. Let's call it 'the first wave users'. And here is a chunk of recent 30K transactions:


Here we can see a significant change. Input compilation has become chaotic as it were. What is the reason for it? Could be a source code alteration or perhaps an increase in number of users: emergence of 'the second wave users' or possibly new services with automated remittance processing. The number of transactions is also increased and that is what we are going to look into.

Trends

This is the number of transactions that simply grew with time.



Obviously at the beginning a lot of transactions were made to create enough ring signatures for future transactions. Eventually this number has dropped leaving only the transactions created by users. Leaving out the two consecutive surges of transactional activity it is clear that the number of transactions indicates that the number of real users grew.

Here is one more interesting detail: the way the average transaction amount changes with time


It seems pretty even but recently the average has dropped sharply. On the other hand a lot of larger transactions reappeared.
And surprisingly, there used to be very few larger transactions before. It could have been an imposed limitation on transaction size that subsequently was withdrawn. Then it makes sense why at some point the number of larger transactions soared. So why impose a limit in the first place? It might have been due security considerations. And the reason to pull it back is growing popularity and users' demands.

Here is a chart for change in the average transaction amount.


Decrease is insignificant but worth mentioning. It looks like part of the transactions with smallish amounts has grown to be the size of the larger ones. It also happened at the time of 'the second wave users' emergence.

In conclusion let's see how anonymous the transactions were.


This chart shows AD values that were normally used. The tail is very short. Now let's look at the changes.


This chart shows the volatility of average amounts and possible limitations and also proves the theory of new users influx.

Conclusions

1. At the very beginning (the first 10 transactions) the circle of users was very small and some of the transactions were made deliberately (manually or automatically, doesn't matter) to increase the number of ring signatures.

2. Subsequently we can see all sorts of dynamics: increase in number of transactions, amounts distribution, level of anonymity variations and so on. Three stages can be singled out or perhaps even more. The beginning of each stage can be linked with the influx of new users. These users break down to classes of users with specific patterns of behavior.

3. The most common input amounts coincide with average reward for mining a new block. Therefore it is likely that the coins had been in circulation from the very beginning and not stored in coinbase.

4. Expenditure analysis is hardly possible because of the imperfection of change calculation algorithm as well as ambiguous transaction amounts. New heuristic must be put in place to help unveil the new
facts about the early transactions.

5. The other hindering aspect for conducting successful analysis is the fact that we don't know how many changes have been introduced to the source code over the last 2 years. If the source code alterations indeed took place in the past then perhaps we are missing even more details than we can think of.

6. Overall, Bytecoin's blockchain provides some data to analyze users' behavior, but still doesn't reveal anything in particular except for very general patterns.


What do you think about it?

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Wow! Didn’t pay much attention to the forum lately, as it turns out - I should have. Nice research. Going to look into it.

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Wow! Didn’t pay much attention to the forum lately, as it turns out - I should have. Nice research. Going to look into it.
Thanks. I was really passionate about it. I wanted to check if BCN blockchain was formed as a result of people's interaction or just machinery falsification. Now I'm sure it was made by humans.   
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Wow! Didn’t pay much attention to the forum lately, as it turns out - I should have. Nice research. Going to look into it.
Thanks. I was really passionate about it. I wanted to check if BCN blockchain was formed as a result of people's interaction or just machinery falsification. Now I'm sure it was made by humans.   

I wonder why people preferred simply dumping the coins as opposed to holding on to them. Were these services or goods really that tempting to spend BCN on.  Or perhaps they dumped them through exchanges…  Is there a chance some of these old-school exchanges are still functioning? What’s a BCN dark-web exchange rate?   Maybe someone from the veterans will shade some light on this matter.   
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Wow! Didn’t pay much attention to the forum lately, as it turns out - I should have. Nice research. Going to look into it.
Thanks. I was really passionate about it. I wanted to check if BCN blockchain was formed as a result of people's interaction or just machinery falsification. Now I'm sure it was made by humans.  

I wonder why people preferred simply dumping the coins as opposed to holding on to them. Were these services or goods really that tempting to spend BCN on.  Or perhaps they dumped them through exchanges…  Is there a chance some of these old-school exchanges are still functioning? What’s a BCN dark-web exchange rate?   Maybe someone from the veterans will shade some light on this matter.    

There are BCN bagholders/early miners who have tens of billions of Bytecoin...A few individuals own a combined 100billion Bytecoin..
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June 23, 2014, 01:27:51 PM
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Wow! Didn’t pay much attention to the forum lately, as it turns out - I should have. Nice research. Going to look into it.
Thanks. I was really passionate about it. I wanted to check if BCN blockchain was formed as a result of people's interaction or just machinery falsification. Now I'm sure it was made by humans.  

I wonder why people preferred simply dumping the coins as opposed to holding on to them. Were these services or goods really that tempting to spend BCN on.  Or perhaps they dumped them through exchanges…  Is there a chance some of these old-school exchanges are still functioning? What’s a BCN dark-web exchange rate?   Maybe someone from the veterans will shade some light on this matter.    

There are BCN bagholders/early miners who have tens of billions of Bytecoin...A few individuals own a combined 100billion Bytecoin..

and what about those 3 stages that coincided with new users arrival. Must have been some kind of major updates or sudden spike in prices or even a new miners team joined in. Keeping in mind that BCN might have been of academic origin, chances are that a new scholastic community had jumped in. New whitepaper could be the reason too. Is it possible to pinpoint these time periods or stages to figure out the actual events behind them?     

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June 23, 2014, 01:38:27 PM
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Wow! Didn’t pay much attention to the forum lately, as it turns out - I should have. Nice research. Going to look into it.
Thanks. I was really passionate about it. I wanted to check if BCN blockchain was formed as a result of people's interaction or just machinery falsification. Now I'm sure it was made by humans.   

I wonder why people preferred simply dumping the coins as opposed to holding on to them. Were these services or goods really that tempting to spend BCN on.  Or perhaps they dumped them through exchanges…  Is there a chance some of these old-school exchanges are still functioning? What’s a BCN dark-web exchange rate?   Maybe someone from the veterans will shade some light on this matter.   

There are BCN bagholders/early miners who have tens of billions of Bytecoin...A few individuals own a combined 100billion Bytecoin..

and what about those 3 stages that coincided with new users arrival. Must have been some kind of major updates or sudden spike in prices or even a new miners team joined in. Keeping in mind that BCN might have been of academic origin, chances are that a new scholastic community had jumped in. New whitepaper could be the reason too. Is it possible to pinpoint these time periods or stages to figure out the actual events behind them?     

I wish I knew the answers to these questions. IMHO the assumption that new users influxes were associated with new mining teams appearance is the most reasonable.
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June 23, 2014, 01:45:33 PM
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Wow! Didn’t pay much attention to the forum lately, as it turns out - I should have. Nice research. Going to look into it.
Thanks. I was really passionate about it. I wanted to check if BCN blockchain was formed as a result of people's interaction or just machinery falsification. Now I'm sure it was made by humans.   

I wonder why people preferred simply dumping the coins as opposed to holding on to them. Were these services or goods really that tempting to spend BCN on.  Or perhaps they dumped them through exchanges…  Is there a chance some of these old-school exchanges are still functioning? What’s a BCN dark-web exchange rate?   Maybe someone from the veterans will shade some light on this matter.   

There are BCN bagholders/early miners who have tens of billions of Bytecoin...A few individuals own a combined 100billion Bytecoin..

and what about those 3 stages that coincided with new users arrival. Must have been some kind of major updates or sudden spike in prices or even a new miners team joined in. Keeping in mind that BCN might have been of academic origin, chances are that a new scholastic community had jumped in. New whitepaper could be the reason too. Is it possible to pinpoint these time periods or stages to figure out the actual events behind them?     

I wish I knew the answers to these questions. IMHO the assumption that new users influxes were associated with new mining teams appearance is the most reasonable.

it makes sense now. the new mining teams theory seem plausible enough. 

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June 23, 2014, 01:50:13 PM
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I really love the fact that afterall you can’t analyse the blockchain. You can’t analyse it, you can’t trace the payments - it’s really awesome.

No one tried to actually test analysis resistance before - would really like to see some more opinions on this.

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June 23, 2014, 02:07:39 PM
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Caring BCN developers. They’ve created a lot of inputs for future generation of transactions, lol.
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