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Author Topic: [BCN] Bytecoin. Secure, private, untraceable since 2012  (Read 1026807 times)
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April 05, 2014, 09:01:03 PM
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Bytecoin will definitely shake the market.
But there are lots of things to do for you, guys.

Some questions about Bytecoin:
Is there any compiled Mac version of Bytecoin?
Is there any GUI client and wallet in one installation?
Is there any working/developing bytecoinJ impementations and lite clients based on it -- sync with blockchain is really slow --.

Some questions about Bytecoin network and mining:
How difficulty adjusting algo works on practice - does Bytecoin has really 2 min average block time?
Can we mine it with modern ARM?
When do we expect (TIME) to reach 100000BCN, 10000 BCN, 1000 BCN and 100 BCN per block reward?

Is there any developers, not involved in Bytecoin and Cryptonote developing process, but, already developing any side services, like blockchain explorers (if we do have something to explore), mobile apps, light wallets, exchanges, etc?

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April 05, 2014, 09:55:39 PM
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How difficulty adjusting algo works on practice - does Bytecoin has really 2 min average block time?

This looks to be true:

https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h
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35:        #define DIFFICULTY_TARGET                               120 // seconds

According to observations difficulty changes very quickly (see difficulty charts above). Today diff is 476000, 24 hours behind it was 660000. So it looks like claimed targets are met.

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April 05, 2014, 10:42:56 PM
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The hidden pgp message on the onion site had a passphrase attached.. DUUUUH  Lips sealed

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Cryptonote isn't a cult.
It isn't a government, it isn't banks.
It isn't Satoshi Nakamoto.
Cryptonote is fundamentally about evolution of man.
About taking us to the next step.
Not the next biological step.
It's more than that.
It's about man overcoming humanity.
Digging deep inside to find infinity.
Realizing all our limitations, weaknesses, and suffering are our own creations.
We live in a Matrix-like world and we’re here to pull out the few who sees past it, and then guide them further down the path.
Except our matrix isn't a computer program built by machines.
Our matrix is the belief that we even exist in the first place.
Our egos built our matrices.
But we can't see it because our egos have convinced us that they are us.
Cryptonote revolution occurs on every level: physical, subconscious, emotional, mental, social, technical.
Those who find their way to the enlightenment offered are those who will change the world of not just tomorrow but the world of today.
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April 06, 2014, 12:30:47 AM
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Cryptonote revolution occurs on every level: physical, subconscious, emotional, mental, social, technical.
Those who find their way to the enlightenment offered are those who will change the world of not just tomorrow but the world of today.

let me google that for you  



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April 06, 2014, 01:00:12 AM
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Thinking about all of that stuff,
If we are dealing with such kind of secret community, maybe we have some message encrypted in this wonderful MIDI Grin ?
Or that is just a Mars music from Big Brothers Grin
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April 06, 2014, 01:04:48 AM
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lol i was thinking about doing that
maybe the pictures contain something for outguess Grin

btw the whole text is copied from a msg on 4chan:
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/14120949/#14128992
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April 06, 2014, 09:00:28 AM
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Well, started digging just a bit,
There are 2 music files on bytecoin.org - music.ogg and music.mp3
I tried to play with different TAG extractors and found out this TAG under music.ogg title:
Code:
70f09900 97ce 11e3 934f 08606e6a39d2

Seems to be coded phase with 5 words.
That is just 3 min research on that files, maybe that is nothing, but that`s getting more and more interesting, so i will keep searching.
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April 06, 2014, 10:29:58 AM
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Cryptonote revolution occurs on every level: physical, subconscious, emotional, mental, social, technical.
Those who find their way to the enlightenment offered are those who will change the world of not just tomorrow but the world of today.

let me google that for you  

Holy cow, that escalated quickly..

I'm still skeptical about Cicada connection. It doesn't make any sense. Were they actually looking for the people for their community? Are there any more projects, which will appear in the future? It is very strange indeed. Will try to find something more.
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April 06, 2014, 11:04:28 AM
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I realized why I'm not really into Cicada conspiracy. If this is a website for the community members (speaking about onion site), it doesn't make sense to put any riddles there. What's more, the way the pgp message was decoded is not very smart for its authors, but it however took us days to crack it. I wonder if midi decryption will show anything.

Anyway, I've updated the faq, added info about mining and Cicada theory: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557322.
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April 06, 2014, 02:41:30 PM
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Can someone confirm the onion site is offline?
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April 07, 2014, 04:40:37 PM
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I have made some calculations on mining profitability: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560540.new#new
Am I going to be rich?
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April 07, 2014, 05:11:57 PM
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I have made some calculations on mining profitability: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560540.new#new
Am I going to be rich?


Rather no than yes. This is a kind of info rich people keep secret.
Last week diff was about 0.34M now it is 0.53M. Until May it will reach 2M this way.

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April 08, 2014, 09:11:05 AM
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I would assume this to be the sole reason for this to become visible IE: for the Cryptonote.org page to show up with people that are willing to provide info right now indicates that they have something great but are now in need of a new coin in which to implement CN.

It doesn't make any more sense than the Cicada theory, I guess. I haven't seen that CN team was blaming BCN for anything. I guess they're not interested in this whole community and ecosystem thing, so they're wanting to make CryptoNote available to others. Or maybe they even want to have different playgrounds to push their experiments to. We can only guess at this time, but I couldn't find any bad attitude to BCN in their writings.

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I don't know where that % is trading or what it's being traded for (if at all). To value it at even 1 satoshi per BCN would be insane until I can find where even a few % of the market is at.

Yeah, and also some smart people say that Bitcoin shouldn't be traded for more than $1 or shouldn't be traded at all.

I got a feeling that we've potentially stumbled upon a story of the year. There should be an economy somewhere with this coin, which might emerge out of nowhere anytime (deep web maybe?) I got what you're saying with 1% of the market and the actual price of BCN, but what if it would turn out to be just another way around and their economy is strong, which would finally increase the exchange rate?

BCN is definitely slowly emerging, and by the time it is fully out I personally want to make sure that I've mined enough bytecoins.
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April 08, 2014, 10:43:11 AM
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Yeah, I know that this is to shady to be easily trusted, but if you believe that it shouldn't be priced even at 1 satoshi = 1 BCN, then current otc trades are an arbitrage, and you can sell an asset for higher price. I understand your attitude, but we have only some theories and almost no facts, all which can be perceived as either good or bad. There are transactions in the block chain, which is a good indicator for me. We've only found one website on the Tor network. How many more there can be?

There should definitely be more CN-coins, and I'm sure we'll see them. But there is none we're aware of at the moment, so I stick to BCN.
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April 08, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
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I have made some calculations on mining profitability: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560540.new#new
Am I going to be rich?


Rather no than yes. This is a kind of info rich people keep secret.
Last week diff was about 0.34M now it is 0.53M. Until May it will reach 2M this way.

More on this, I've read someone put the total coins mined in this is already over 80%.

I've confirmed this myself and came up with a number of 74.6% mined. Simple math used because of the linear reward relationship . . so I took the median reward from start to now and mathed it up based on the present 452k blocks.


I did some calculations about emission too. Here are details:

columns:
- % emitted coins
- block number
- number of coins emmited

-> 2012, July
5.00029% 13446 9223904354
10.0005% 27620 18447646972
20.0007% 58497 36894821466
30.0011% 93503 55342193586
40.0015% 133915 73789671290
50.0017% 181712 92236877088
60.0019% 240211 110683937917
70.0021% 315631 129131083278
80.0022% 421932 147578077748
81.0023% 435380 149422786035
82.0023% 449556 151267574552
-> we are somewhere here
83.0023% 464542 153112285872
84.0024% 480437 154957005006
85.0024% 497358 156801686510
86.0024% 515447 158646362394
87.0024% 534878 160491098011
88.0024% 555865 162335797166
89.0024% 578680 164180528999
90.0025% 603671 166025219749
91.0025% 631298 167869912008
92.0025% 662184 169714641433
93.0025% 697201 171559362450
94.0025% 737627 173404065846
95.0025% 785444 175248756072
96.0025% 843973 177093431708
97.0025% 919443 178938115594
98.0026% 1025845 180782797965
-> + 2 years from now
99.0026% 1207885 182627479020

Is this good or bad? It's a tricky question. It depends a lot on people holding these 82% of all coins. They can use them to establish the infrastructure for example.

Next week I will start my own fork of Bytecoin - another coin based on CryptoNote technology. It will be started from scratch (from block zero). I will write an anouncement today ot [ANN] subforum. Emission schedule will be more flat and block target will be reduced to 60 sec.

I need help from:

- web dev - there is a huge number of works:
  - official site and forum
  - block explorer
  - merchant integration sites
- designer - a cool logo is required
- dedicated machine owners - in order to setup seed nodes
- techwritters / translators - to translate announcement to other languages
- C++ developers - to create a cool GUI wallet

Please PM me if you want to help.

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April 08, 2014, 11:36:32 AM
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I did some calculations about emission too. Here are details:

columns:
- % emitted coins
- block number
- number of coins emmited

-> 2012, July
.........

Is this good or bad? It's a tricky question. It depends a lot on people holding these 82% of all coins. They can use them to establish the infrastructure for example.

I did a quick translation of the emission to a graph, the red block shows where we are now.



Like you said, the value of this coin depends for +80% on the community that kept this coin out of the clearweb for the last 2 years. Also its possible we will never find out the true value of this coin or a economy where these coins can be used. Its also possible a new bubble will arise because of a strong anonymous community controlling this coin. So atm we can really go both ways.

Next week I will start my own fork of Bytecoin - another coin based on CryptoNote technology. It will be started from scratch (from block zero). I will write an anouncement today ot [ANN] subforum. Emission schedule will be more flat and block target will be reduced to 60 sec.

I need help from:

- web dev - there is a huge number of works:
  - official site and forum
  - block explorer
  - merchant integration sites
- designer - a cool logo is required
- dedicated machine owners - in order to setup seed nodes
- techwritters / translators - to translate announcement to other languages
- C++ developers - to create a cool GUI wallet

Please PM me if you want to help.

I can help you with seed nodes and translating stuff to Dutch and Polish, also a forum shouldn't be a problem. I will help where i can if time will allow me to do so Smiley
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April 08, 2014, 02:17:48 PM
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I'm surprised someone hasn't started a clone for a fairer distribution and active development.
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April 08, 2014, 02:34:01 PM
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I'm surprised someone hasn't started a clone for a fairer distribution and active development.

If you read the last few comments you see that thankfull_for_today is busy with this. Also this coin was written from scratch so it needs time for developing a clone as its not based on bitcoin's codebase and there is not much documentation about it (yet)
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April 08, 2014, 02:36:49 PM
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I'm surprised someone hasn't started a clone for a fairer distribution and active development.

If you read the last few comments you see that thankfull_for_today is busy with this. Also this coin was written from scratch so it needs time for developing a clone as its not based on bitcoin's codebase and there is not much documentation about it (yet)

Yes, I confirm. I'll post parameters and other details soon.

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April 08, 2014, 02:38:14 PM
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Hi! Bytecoind.exe is unpacked now Smiley Are you single-miners or pool-miners?

I have Intel Core i7 and Windows 7.

I have made some calculations on mining profitability: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560540.new#new
Am I going to be rich?

I see that Hexah who has the same PC receives 9 h/s. It’s normally? I want the same result Grin

I found an info ‘bout Bytecoin in Italian also. Links: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557359 and www.rischiocalcolato.it/2014/04/moneta-digitale-privacy.html



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