Is it okay for a top 10 most trusted account too...

[FFrankie]

Buy and sell accounts and also farm signature campaigns?

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[LoyceV]

You're posting this in Meta, so based on forum rules, that's allowed as long as he's not spamming.
If you'd move this to Reputation, I'd tell you it's not okay and heavily frowned upon.

Who's doing this?

[FFrankie]

You're posting this in Meta, so yes, based on forum rules, that's okay as long as he's not spamming.
If you'd move this to Reputation, it's not okay.

Who's doing this?

I think more people look at meta than rep.

I do not want to say who's doing this without getting public opinion for fear of the backlash I will face for potentionally outting someone.


Hopefully the person will see this thread and clear it up.

[Quickseller]

I don’t see why they should be held to any different standards than anyone else.

@LoyceV - I also think it is a bit of a copout to move trust system discussion to reputation. The trust system is ultimately implemented by the administration and they are the ones who are in a position to make changes and/or force changes by way of warning that behavior will lead to being excluded.

[Findingnemo]

No matter of who is doing this now,they also deserves red paint,since most of DTs are against account buying and selling these days.

I am very eager to know who is that most reputed member farming on signature campaigns.

[FFrankie]

I don’t see why they should be held to any different standards than anyone else.

@LoyceV - I also think it is a bit of a copout to move trust system discussion to reputation. The trust system is ultimately implemented by the administration and they are the ones who are in a position to make changes and/or force changes by way of warning that behavior will lead to being excluded.

Well they don't farm signature campaigns anymore because the rate is too low. Well they said they don't

[suchmoon]

I think more people look at meta than rep.

I do not want to say who's doing this without getting public opinion for fear of the backlash I will face for potentionally outting someone.

Hopefully the person will see this thread and clear it up.

That's not how it works. You don't get to choose a board based on how many users you want to look at it.

Your topic sounds like one of cryptohunter's fishing expeditions. Move it to Reputation and post the details.

[eddie13]

I think this is an obvious no if you are talking about recent account sales and cheating signature campaigns against their company rules, but just having more than one account in signature campaigns is fine, and very old account sales do not matter..
According to the current general consensus as I understand it anyway.

I also concur with the move to Reputation and dumping the dirt..

[OgNasty]

I do not want to say who's doing this without getting public opinion for fear of the backlash I will face for potentionally outting someone.

A legitimate concern with the current state of DT.  Look at the years of backlash I received for saying an auction was getting expensive. 

[minifrij]

...for fear of the backlash I will face for potentionally outting someone.

Spill the beans, ya puss.

[teeGUMES]

Top 10 Most Trusted Users according to https://bpip.org/report.aspx?r=mosttrusted

[FFrankie]

I think more people look at meta than rep.

I do not want to say who's doing this without getting public opinion for fear of the backlash I will face for potentionally outting someone.

Hopefully the person will see this thread and clear it up.

That's not how it works. You don't get to choose a board based on how many users you want to look at it.

Your topic sounds like one of cryptohunter's fishing expeditions. Move it to Reputation and post the details.

My topic sounds like a fishing expedition? I have proof

I am asking if I blow this person up or not

[suchmoon]

My topic sounds like a fishing expedition? I have proof

I am asking if I blow this person up or not

Shit or get off the pot is what I'm saying.

[bones261]

That's not how it works. You don't get to choose a board based on how many users you want to look at it.

Your topic sounds like one of cryptohunter's fishing expeditions. Move it to Reputation and post the details.

My topic sounds like a fishing expedition? I have proof

I am asking if I blow this person up or not

Do you feel that this person is currently putting the community members in peril? If you have proof that a highly trusted member is heavily involved as an account broker, I think the community should know. However, when someone becomes a whistle blower, there is a chance that you will get quite a bit of backlash. Also, if someone is taking steps to conceal that they are trading in accounts, it may be difficult to present proof people will find as credible. If it is a bunch of screenshots, people will dismiss it as being photoshopped, especially if it can be shown that you have a past unresolved misunderstanding with the individual.

[mikeywith]

I am asking if I blow this person up or not

depending on how bad the stuff he/she did were, if it's just a minor shity move that did not result in people losing money of any scam related, and that member has changed since then and became somehow a good member for the community, i think you should just let it pass.

looking at your feedback you seem to have changed from an "account seller" and an "extremely annoying" person to a good trusted member, so again , just use your best judgment.

[Patatas]

Buy and sell accounts and also farm signature campaigns?

'Farm Signature Campaigns' - If they're not shitposting, getting a good amount of merits for their posts and are adhering with all the rules of the campaign that is not using alt's in the same campaign, I think they should be okay. Buying and selling accounts in 2019, No! One really has to be a very good poster to rank an account let's say upto a senior member by earning legit merits. That is some hard work lol

I am asking if I blow this person up or not

That's upto you. No one is going to force you if you're not willing to do it out of your concern.

[Quickseller]

My topic sounds like a fishing expedition? I have proof

I am asking if I blow this person up or not

Shit or get off the pot is what I'm saying.

I find it interesting that you are not taking any kind of stand on the topic itself. Perhaps you’re waiting to see how powerful the person is or the reaction of other powerful people.

[Patatas]

My topic sounds like a fishing expedition? I have proof

I am asking if I blow this person up or not

Shit or get off the pot is what I'm saying.

I find it interesting that you are not taking any kind of stand on the topic itself. Perhaps you’re waiting to see how powerful the person is or the reaction of other powerful people.

What defines a 'powerful' person? The trusted ratings by the DT? Forum staff position? Or something else? DT system at the current state is good enough to take action against a centralized powerful entity. I doubt any forum staff would need to farm/buy-sell accounts.

[FFrankie]

My topic sounds like a fishing expedition? I have proof

I am asking if I blow this person up or not

Shit or get off the pot is what I'm saying.

I find it interesting that you are not taking any kind of stand on the topic itself. Perhaps you’re waiting to see how powerful the person is or the reaction of other powerful people.

What defines a 'powerful' person? The trusted ratings by the DT? Forum staff position? Or something else? DT system at the current state is good enough to take action against a centralized powerful entity. I doubt any forum staff would need to farm/buy-sell accounts.

QS has proof of a staff member doing it but won't blow their spot up.

[Patatas]

My topic sounds like a fishing expedition? I have proof

I am asking if I blow this person up or not

Shit or get off the pot is what I'm saying.

I find it interesting that you are not taking any kind of stand on the topic itself. Perhaps you’re waiting to see how powerful the person is or the reaction of other powerful people.

What defines a 'powerful' person? The trusted ratings by the DT? Forum staff position? Or something else? DT system at the current state is good enough to take action against a centralized powerful entity. I doubt any forum staff would need to farm/buy-sell accounts.

QS has proof of a staff member doing it but won't blow their spot up.

Don't tell me it's 'hilariousandco' because everyone knows they operate two accounts and use them in signature campaigns. Also, everyone will agree that they're amongst the top-notch posters on the forum.

Also, what's stopping QS from revealing it? They've nothing to lose.. like their account is already tagged so I wonder what could be the reason.

[Quickseller]

My topic sounds like a fishing expedition? I have proof

I am asking if I blow this person up or not

Shit or get off the pot is what I'm saying.

I find it interesting that you are not taking any kind of stand on the topic itself. Perhaps you’re waiting to see how powerful the person is or the reaction of other powerful people.

What defines a 'powerful' person? The trusted ratings by the DT? Forum staff position? Or something else? DT system at the current state is good enough to take action against a centralized powerful entity. I doubt any forum staff would need to farm/buy-sell accounts.

QS has proof of a staff member doing it but won't blow their spot up.

I don’t remember saying this...and I am not aware of any staff farming accounts.
edit: a search of old threads and old messages reveals I was aware of this. The selling accounts was done publicly and was a long time ago. I don't think they would retaliate if I called them out, but I have no interest in doing so (see below) /edit

>hilariousandco
He has been accused of doing this over the years. I am not aware of any information that supports him farming accounts. He has a pretty unique personality and I haven’t seen anyone that I think could be him that is not publicly known.

Edit: I wouldn’t necessarily be against a staff member doing this, however if they were enforcing rules for others to prevent this, either via moderation or the trust system, I would have an issue because they are imposing rules on others they are not even following.

[Patatas]

Also, what's stopping QS from revealing it? They've nothing to lose.. like their account is already tagged so I wonder what could be the reason.

A corrupt staff member could retaliate by permabanning your account, or even nuking it. Although, with such a move, I'm sure they wouldn't remain staff for long.

Only the admins have the right to ban people I believe? Like how many admins we even have here? All of them are quite trusted and known for taking the right decisions for a long time.. They wouldn't just ban someone for no appropriate reasons.

I don’t remember saying this...and I am not aware of any staff farming accounts.

@killyou stop making statements lol

[bill gator]

It strikes me as odd that you would publicly state that you have proof of this occurring without coming forward with it from the beginning. It just seems like the kind of thing that you don't dance around. If you're aware of account farming and violating the terms of signature campaigns by one of the most respected and trusted users on the forum, then let's get the show on the road.

Being incorrect wouldn't be the end of the world. Your intentions seem to be genuine, but by not directly presenting proof, not mentioning names or giving any context what can you expect to get out of this thread? The chances of retaliation are there, but I believe the cost of silence may be greater. You have the responsibility of choosing between self-benefit (through silence/extortion) and the benefit of the community (through sharing information, allowing "investigation"), if you have the information you claim to. Now that you've made that responsibility public, good luck.

I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but if you're debating on whether or not to disseminate the information or come to an agreement with this member; I would suggest the former, less you get taken for a ride yourself.

You're posting this in Meta, so based on forum rules, that's okay as long as he's not spamming.
If you'd move this to Reputation, I'd tell you it's not okay and heavily frowned upon.

I think your choice of the word "okay" should be reconsidered.

QS has proof of a staff member doing it but won't blow their spot up.

Source?

Do you feel that this person is currently putting the community members in peril?

I'd feel better about the community deciding things like this, rather than killyou72 or any individual withholding this kind of information.

A legitimate concern with the current state of DT.  Look at the years of backlash I received for saying an auction was getting expensive.  

It won't get any better if people are too scared for themselves to come forward with game-changing information.

I have proof

We're waiting!

[The Sceptical Chymist]

OP, just say whatever it is you're going to say.  It's annoyingly childish to tease a bunch of people with an implied threat against an apparently very trusted member in the name of not wanting to ruin someone's reputation.  If that was your real concern you wouldn't have even made this thread.

If someone has engaged in account sales recently, it wouldn't matter to me who they were.  I would tag them, as I said I would shortly after that iluvbitcoins mess when we all kind of came to the consensus that people have had fair warning and shouldn't be doing that and not expecting a tag.  So either tell us or lock the thread, please.

[FFrankie]

Also, what's stopping QS from revealing it? They've nothing to lose.. like their account is already tagged so I wonder what could be the reason.

A corrupt staff member could retaliate by permabanning your account, or even nuking it. Although, with such a move, I'm sure they wouldn't remain staff for long.

Only the admins have the right to ban people I believe? Like how many admins we even have here? All of them are quite trusted and known for taking the right decisions for a long time.. They wouldn't just ban someone for no appropriate reasons.

I don’t remember saying this...and I am not aware of any staff farming accounts.

@killyou stop making statements lol

If I told you who the last person that QS just told me buy/sold accounts you wouldn't believe it. Excuse me for thinking they were staff. I thought they were. It's a close a fucking enough


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1013494.0



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1260639.0


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=958097.msg10484714#msg10484714

I'm still waiting for someone's opinion that matters to post

No offense QS and everyone else

And OG didn't really give an opinion

[The Sceptical Chymist]

killyou72, I got your PM.  First of all, wherever those quotes were from, it was from 2017.  Second of all, I only see that the member in question may have bought accounts at some point, but he doesn't even say when it was.  I'm not going back years to tag anyone for account sales.  When that consensus was reached that all members ought to be tagged regardless of who it is, it was from that point forward--and that was only a few months ago.  You haven't hit upon any great forum sin here.  It's apparently old news.

Edit:

Sorry I must have missed this. Hasn't it been consensus to tag any account sales for years?

If I could find the thread, I'd link to it but I don't remember which one it was and have no way of finding out.  Nobody is bound to that anyway.  It was basically a bunch of members agreeing that there should be no mitigating circumstances from then on about people dealing in accounts.  No excuses.  And it was well after 2017, which is when the communique that killyou72 quoted to me happened.

[suchmoon]

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That's 2015. It might be a surprise for you personally but it's not news to anyone who's at least a little bit familiar with the account trading situation.

I find it interesting that you are not taking any kind of stand on the topic itself. Perhaps you’re waiting to see how powerful the person is or the reaction of other powerful people.

I find it boring how you keep looking for ways to twist mundane situations (like requesting facts vs answering a vague/leading question) into drama that fits your conspiracy theory re "positions of power".

[Steamtyme]

I probably don't fall into level of opinion you are looking for, but I'll give it a go.

Is it okay for a top 10 most trusted account too Buy and sell accounts and also farm signature campaigns?

2 systems at play here Forum "Rules" resulting in banable offences and Trust system, involving feedback.

As for Forum rules, the question doesn't present any problems. You can have multiple accounts and there are no forum rules for Signature campaigns and how you participate. That is ignoring potential spam, and plagiarism, trolling.


I think your question comes down to the trust system more than anything. This centers around community determined acceptable and unacceptable behaviors; some having more consensus than others.

If they are currently brokering accounts, this should receive negative feedback.
If they are enrolling more than 1 account in the same signature campaign, at a minimum you should notify the campaign manager. If you see the campaign has a rule about only 1 account, (most do) they should be left negative feedback, and notify the campaign manager.


There are a few threads I believe that connects alts together whether they are scamming or not. This doesn't necessarily mean you have to disclose this. I can think of at least 1 example of a member I trust who withheld this type of information, until the account began to act somewhat inappropriately.

In the future though if you have certain people in mind who's opinion you want, just send them a PM to begin the dialogue.

Sorry to go a bit off-topic

  I'm not going back years to tag anyone for account sales.  When that consensus was reached that all members ought to be tagged regardless of who it is, it was from that point forward--and that was only a few months ago. 

Sorry I must have missed this. Hasn't it been consensus to tag any account sales for years?

[FFrankie]

killyou72, I got your PM.  First of all, wherever those quotes were from, it was from 2017.  Second of all, I only see that the member in question may have bought accounts at some point, but he doesn't even say when it was.  I'm not going back years to tag anyone for account sales.  When that consensus was reached that all members ought to be tagged regardless of who it is, it was from that point forward--and that was only a few months ago.  You haven't hit upon any great forum sin here.  It's apparently old news.

Well thanks for not posting the PMs I really appreciate it.

Since this topic was directed towards those PMs I'll lock this topic as it's not relevant anymore


Someone's opinion who matters, is someone who posts good thoughts. I think the post I metried broke it down exactly how the situation should be handled.

[bill gator]

It seems strange that you would pass the responsibility onto The Pharmacist, when apparently only OG Nasty's opinion mattered up to that point. I am confused, if you had a clear subset of users that you wanted an opinion from (like OGNasty), why didn't you just send them a PM? Instead you posted a public thread, and wound up telling all of us that our opinion is irrelevant. Help me understand the reasoning.

[FFrankie]

It seems strange that you would pass the responsibility onto The Pharmacist, when apparently only OG Nasty's opinion mattered up to that point. I am confused, if you had a clear subset of users that you wanted an opinion from (like OGNasty), why didn't you just send them a PM? Instead you posted a public thread, and wound up telling all of us that our opinion is irrelevant. Help me understand the reasoning.

How come you can post pages of text that don't mean anything? Can you help me understand that? You always post sooooo many more sentences than necessary.

I was looking for opionons, I didn't have anyone in particular in mind. Just opionons from anyone that could write something that sounded good.

[bill gator]

My last post was literally 4-sentences. How short is your attention span?

[Quickseller]

When that consensus was reached that all members ought to be tagged regardless of who it is, it was from that point forward--and that was only a few months ago.  

I am not sure it was a consensus, but was more like a small number of people who are very loud in voicing their opinion.

[Flying Hellfish]

My last post was literally 4-sentences. How short is your attention span?

My guess is 3 or less, but I'm not good at math problems!

[owlcatz]

Killyou is back and trolling everyone ... Way to go buddy...

[Hhampuz]

"I'll lock the thread". 12 hours later thread still open which leads me to believe you want to spill the beans KY. Just do it already! I'll counter any neg you'd receive (if it would happen) since you would only be sharing some concerns.

[FFrankie]

Killyou is back and trolling everyone ... Way to go buddy...

which one 72 or 73? I can never tell who is who

"I'll lock the thread". 12 hours later thread still open which leads me to believe you want to spill the beans KY. Just do it already! I'll counter any neg you'd receive (if it would happen) since you would only be sharing some concerns.

Ahhhhh.. I split the beans to the pharmacist. I settled my urge. The thread is still open because I figure what's the point of locking it

[coolcoinz]

Ahhhhh.. I split the beans to the pharmacist. I settled my urge. The thread is still open because I figure what's the point of locking it

Grammar police here: Spilt (or spilled), not split.

Jokes aside, you said that the main reason why you are afraid to post it is retaliation. Now that Hhampuz offered to counter it, that argument is no longer valid.
Why keep the thread open and talk about it if you obviously don't want to do it? Isn't this what trolling is all about?

[owlcatz]

Ahhhhh.. I split the beans to the pharmacist. I settled my urge. The thread is still open because I figure what's the point of locking it

Grammar police here: Spilt (or spilled), not split.

Jokes aside, you said that the main reason why you are afraid to post it is retaliation. Now that Hhampuz offered to counter it, that argument is no longer valid.
Why keep the thread open and talk about it if you obviously don't want to do it? Isn't this what trolling is all about?

Yes. And he's laughing at you from under his dirty rug in the woods.

[Thule]

I'm not going back years to tag anyone for account sales.  When that consensus was reached that all members ought to be tagged regardless of who it is, it was from that point forward--and that was only a few months ago.  You haven't hit upon any great forum sin here.  It's apparently old news.

How come i got all my negative for something from 2017 ?You where the one tagging it too ?

@killer i would recommend sending a PM to theymos.
Its not worth to expose from your orginal account as it will get quickly destroyed with negative ratings to discredit your arguments and proof.

DT members have a benefit being DT members even they won't admit it and try everything to stay in DT status playing the i like you when you like me game.
The double standards here have been proofen so many times that DT members ARE NOT tagging members even end of 2018 for not paying back a loan and trying to sell a legandary without informorming about it.
They"ll argument he doesn't deserve to get tagged but anybody else yes who would do the same staff.There are so many examples of these double standards and even suchmoon admitted in public that she requires other proof to tagg someone who is a "newbie" (none) than someone who is a hero member or higher (only hard proof) thats also why Quickseller asked the nice question why she stands no ground because if it would be a buddy of suchmoon she and the rest would never tagg him claiming he doesn't deserve it or any other BS and thats why she is so calm.

Had you asked that question for a simple "senior account" i bet everything would have agree to get him tagged for that but informing that its about a top 10 account makes them stay back and give no real opinion.


Just have a look who exectly is attacking you on this thread and you can instantly see its the same old punk and scammer group.

[TheNewAnon135246]

DT members have a benefit being DT members even they won't admit it

What are the benefits of being a DT member?

[Thule]

What are the benefits of being a DT member?

One of them is in your signature