Bitcoin Whales Have Started Splashing – This Rally’s Just Getting Started

[nc50lc]

I wouldn't call it a "Positive Sign", it's rather an obvious Pump (if it's really the whales)!

Why? Whales accumulates funds via OTC trading when needed, there's no reason for them to BUY from the open market other than a P&D attempt.
But the Dumping always has been done via OTC trading too, the problem are the traders that blindly follow their moves.
That's what News and FUD are for.

[omonuyak]

The whales are playing the game their know best on how to play and we are the one that are really suffering from their activities especially if we don't know how the cryptocurrencies market work.  We should invest along the way of whales instead of against their directions.

[Astargath]

I wouldn't call it a "Positive Sign", it's rather an obvious Pump (if it's really the whales)!

Why? Whales accumulates funds via OTC trading when needed, there's no reason for them to BUY from the open market other than a P&D attempt.
But the Dumping always has been done via OTC trading too, the problem are the traders that blindly follow their moves.
That's what News and FUD are for.

And the crash was an obvious dump? There is nothing obvious in this market, you just have to follow the price, never try to get too ahead of it. You have to follow them, we don't have the power to move the market, this forum probably owns 1% of the market at best, at most.

[Slow death]

Lee said:

    “Bitcoin had a rough 2018 and for much of 2019, it’s been steadily climbing, and from what we can gather, it’s because there have been positive things taking place. You know a lot of the old whale wallets are buying bitcoin so it’s been slow accumulation.”

The price went up and stagnated at  $5000, so I wonder: if the whales are really accumulating, why is the price stagnant at  $5000? because it would take a lot of time to buy when the price was $3000? why is it so hard to admit that the supposed whales have nothing to do with abrupt price drop and abrupt price increases?

I don't know about whales...

I also do not know anything about the supposed whales and I wonder if they really exist and if they have so much power to manipulate the price of bitcoin as some people say

[freedomgo]

Lee is bullish, so we can expect some bullish prediction.
Without considering his prediction, I still believe that whales are already back, I based it on some indicators, and one of them is the increase of trading volume. We don't have this kind of big volume before and only them can increase it when there is no significant news that will make the public do it.

[nc50lc]

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And the crash was an obvious dump? There is nothing obvious in this market, you just have to follow the price, never try to get too ahead of it. You have to follow them, we don't have the power to move the market, this forum probably owns 1% of the market at best, at most.

That's a thing but, that's not even a valid counter argument to my post.
I see that you don't understand the context of my reply about the use-case of OTC and Open market trading for whales and blurted a reply that's not totally related to my post.

It's not about the crash and dump that's being obvious, it's about the whale's movements.
So as your reply said, we must follow their lead as close as possible.

[GregH37]

The whales are playing the game their know best on how to play and we are the one that are really suffering from their activities especially if we don't know how the cryptocurrencies market work.  We should invest along the way of whales instead of against their directions.

Good ending, they can only manipulate those that wishes or surrenders themselves for manipulation, what I usually advise many investors to do is not just to take the market alone as profit taking system but use it as means of learning how the whole system works.

I think there should be a course or tutorial on whales action where people can really learn how to move along with the whale as you said, and I really think people are actually doing so already, this may be the reason why we are seeing some balanced fluctuation in prices as they are not really have enough space to breath.

If we can learn how to work along with whale, we will be able to achieve a high value that will be void of manipulation and one that its duping will never cause bear market again.

[buwaytress]

It's not about the crash and dump that's being obvious, it's about the whale's movements.
So as your reply said, we must follow their lead as close as possible.

Couldn't agree more... only problem for me is I'd love to be able to read all these movements, but seems to me (based on my past multiple failures) that it's really just anybody's guess. This probably isn't as "easy" as it might have appeared to be in the weeks and months predating 2016. Even Spoofy is apparently so hard to track. Not a single person was able to foresee that huge series of BTC orders earlier this month, not even all those scores of AI algorithms supposedly able to track and predict. Speaking of which, they've all gone awfully quiet. Machine learning obviously not working as whale sonar;)

[Alpinat]

Whales are not ordinary people that put their money in that specific token or coin. They are all well educated for sure and they don't like to be in one coin at a time. If they are coming we will see it for sure. The market will react as if whales are already there.

[dothebeats]

Or someone might have screwed up with the buy orders and bought in on exchanges rather than doing it in an OTC market. While I don't think that in itself is bad and is very fishy, I think that it surely enticed a lot of people into buying more bitcoins thinking that the much-awaited rally is really here to come and they are seeing it before their very eyes. The price has since stagnated on the lower ebbs of $5000 and haven't tried to break out of $5500 except for the past 2 weeks. The craze died and the FOMO too, and I think these 'whales' already disassociated themselves with the rise and have since left out the markets for the meantime.

[coinplus]

I really doubt whales do the buying part on OTC at all, they probably sell at OTC for sure and someone must be buying from them but that is when the seller offers something decent for the wholesale price. Normally any whale with a bit of brain (which I assume they all have in financial regards since they are whales) they buy on the exchange, after all when you buy on the exchanges you increase the price anyway so why not both buy bitcoin and increase your profits at the same time ?

Buying at OTC only works if you get a great discount, if you are not getting a discount or couldn't find anyone to trade on OTC than you will want to buy on exchanges, you start to buy at 4k than with both your purchases and the resistance being broken you end up at 5k which means you profited even while you are buying.