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April 09, 2019, 07:16:40 PM
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There was just a thread here in collectibles that had been started by Fattcatt and bavicrypto had placed a valid bid.  Why is it ok for this auction to disappear? This is certainly not the first time this has happened.  This is wrong.  Fattcatt should be held accountable for this.  Not sure WTH is going on as I had several successful trades with them in the past.  
Anyway..... Fattcatt changed the title to "nothing".  Changed the original post to some ignorant crack about free air and we could have as much as we wanted.  

Here is a pic of the original auction:









Then found the thread buried away and LOCKED of course

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Here is a pic that it's there as of now:










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April 09, 2019, 07:34:21 PM
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I saw one of those nothing threads not too long ago, I was wondering what was up about it.


I love how you took a picture with your phone. But why did you take a picture of the page to began with? Did you think fattcatt was gonna make the auctions disappear?



Ill delete this post in 24 hours

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Did you think fattcatt was gonna make the auctions disappear?
The thread was wiped.

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April 09, 2019, 07:38:59 PM
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I saw one of those nothing threads not too long ago, I was wondering what was up about it.


I love how you took a picture with your phone. But why did you take a picture of the page to began with? Did you think fattcatt was gonna make the auctions disappear?
Yes.... she started with "time will tell" to Hhampuz's question. So I took pics, because it happened once before.

Now they are spamming my TRUST looking foolish!  Lol  ::0

Also saying I have multiple accounts, reaching for anything to take the focus off the fact they FUCKED UP and got caught.  It's that simple.

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April 09, 2019, 07:52:04 PM
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To be fair, his second auction (the one in OP pic) does state that he reserves the right to cancel the auction at any time for any reason.

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April 09, 2019, 08:00:14 PM
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To be fair, his second auction (the one in OP pic) does state that he reserves the right to cancel the auction at any time for any reason.
Then highlight that part to warn people and don’t call it an auction.  Call it a “maybe I’ll sell it if I like the highest bid”
Just plain ignorant.

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To be fair, his second auction (the one in OP pic) does state that he reserves the right to cancel the auction at any time for any reason.
A logical explanation as to why they were cancelling the auction would have been enough to calm everybody watching this trainwreck. "for any reason" just doesn't cut it.

The cockiness after cancelling the auction is just adding fuel to the flames. Aswell, who are we in the Collectibles forum to lock and move our topics into boards that others may frequent, effectively cluttering their board. Have some respect.

I would like to propose an unofficial rule here that a cancelled auction require all bidders to be contacted beforehand and thought process given to them. The "I reserve the right to cancel this auction at any time for no reason whatsoever" does not belong here. In the future if you include this in your list of auction rules, just click the little x in the top right of your browser before you hit "post".
Save yourself the time and just don't start an auction or a sale if you can not follow through with it.
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April 09, 2019, 08:07:42 PM
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3 red trust insult tirades already for me.  All because I spoke the truth.  Stay angry behind that screen.  You are some kind of special Wink

Edit: back down to 2.... it may change again

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The "I reserve the right to cancel this auction at any time for no reason whatsoever" does not belong here. In the future if you include this in your list of auction rules, just click the little x in the top right of your browser before you hit "post".

As I see it, most people add this clause to secure themselves in case of something very problematic arising that requires the use of it. Most of the times such clauses are never used against common sense. But then when the clause is there, it can be used like Fattcatt did and it's technically alright. Due to social standards around here, not so alright.

So it's a double edged sword. Maybe it's best that we use common sense here, like with anything else. I wouldn't mind someone canceling an auction for no reason, using the clause, once. After this the auctioneer must learn that it's not OK to do it, with or without the clause. So when it happens second time.... is what happened here.

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The "I reserve the right to cancel this auction at any time for no reason whatsoever" does not belong here. In the future if you include this in your list of auction rules, just click the little x in the top right of your browser before you hit "post".

As I see it, most people add this clause to secure themselves in case of something very problematic arising that requires the use of it. Most of the times such clauses are never used against common sense. But then when the clause is there, it can be used like Fattcatt did and it's technically alright. Due to social standards around here, not so alright.

So it's a double edged sword. Maybe it's best that we use common sense here, like with anything else. I wouldn't mind someone canceling an auction for no reason, using the clause, once. After this the auctioneer must learn that it's not OK to do it, with or without the clause. So when it happens second time.... is what happened here.

All the more reason to contact the valid bidder(s), explain to them that a circumstance has come about.. post that all bidders have been contacted and okay'd the cancellation out of respect to the auctioneer, lock thread and leave it intact.

The only reason we know that Fattcatt included that clause was because of a phone camera snapshot.. Fattcatt effectively removed the necessary information that would have made this "technically okay" from a passerby's perspective.
But now looking at anonymousminer's trust page I can see that he should not be trusted (sarcasm) and I can no longer believe that the snapshot was not edited to include that clause.
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April 09, 2019, 08:27:06 PM
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The "I reserve the right to cancel this auction at any time for no reason whatsoever" does not belong here. In the future if you include this in your list of auction rules, just click the little x in the top right of your browser before you hit "post".

As I see it, most people add this clause to secure themselves in case of something very problematic arising that requires the use of it. Most of the times such clauses are never used against common sense. But then when the clause is there, it can be used like Fattcatt did and it's technically alright. Due to social standards around here, not so alright.

So it's a double edged sword. Maybe it's best that we use common sense here, like with anything else. I wouldn't mind someone canceling an auction for no reason, using the clause, once. After this the auctioneer must learn that it's not OK to do it, with or without the clause. So when it happens second time.... is what happened here.



Find me another person that adds this clause. You won't find it, I added that clause to one of my auctions claiming that other people do it. And I went thur every auction thread here 5 pages deep and couldn't find one example.

I've definitely read it because I know I didn't come up with the wording on my own. But there isn't a regular here that uses it. The last one I can remember was an auction for a coin loaded with 1million doge or it's face value was 1 million doge.


When I added that clause to my auction I got no bids and had to re auction it without that clause

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The "I reserve the right to cancel this auction at any time for no reason whatsoever" does not belong here. In the future if you include this in your list of auction rules, just click the little x in the top right of your browser before you hit "post".

As I see it, most people add this clause to secure themselves in case of something very problematic arising that requires the use of it. Most of the times such clauses are never used against common sense. But then when the clause is there, it can be used like Fattcatt did and it's technically alright. Due to social standards around here, not so alright.

So it's a double edged sword. Maybe it's best that we use common sense here, like with anything else. I wouldn't mind someone canceling an auction for no reason, using the clause, once. After this the auctioneer must learn that it's not OK to do it, with or without the clause. So when it happens second time.... is what happened here.



Find me another person that adds this clause. You won't find it, I added that clause to one of my auctions claiming that other people do it. And I went thur every auction thread here 5 pages deep and couldn't find one example.

I've definitely read it because I know I didn't come up with the wording on my own. But there isn't a regular here that uses it. The last one I can remember was an auction for a coin loaded with 1million doge or it's face value was 1 million doge.


When I added that clause to my auction I got no bids and had to re auction it without that clause

There are people who use such or similar clauses. For example, I've recently started to include such (or similar) clause in my auctions, where I can technically disqualify any bids. Similar can be seen in e.g. Lesbian Cow's auctions as "I may exclude/disqualify bidders, or require a deposit, for any bidders at my sole discretion.". (If all bidders were to be disqualified, that'd be same as cancelling an auction, and you could actually see LC's clause as even broader than one that only reserves right to cancel the auction.)

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April 09, 2019, 08:47:59 PM
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It's really simple, forget all the technicalities.  If you are dead set on price, issue a (wts) or (offer) thread, if you are fine with the results no matter what then do an (auction).  If you have a minimum or reserve just start the auction at the minimum.  It's pretty simple dont know why we need to complicate things Huh

Ending auctions early without warning isn't cool.  I would not participate in future auctions from that person but that's my personal decision everyone is different.




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April 09, 2019, 08:52:35 PM
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While the item/auction was above my paygrade here. I wouldn't focus on trying to tweak the rules or accepted practices that seem to work for most users here without apparent abuse. Perhaps instead just change how auctions hosted by Fattcatt are approached.

Impose your own stipulations for participating in their auctions. For example - Item to be held in Escrow. No cancellation policy.
The key would be to impose only enough rules to ensure your time isn't being wasted.

Apart from that it does seem like a shitty way and reason to pull an auction out, considering someone had already bid and shown interest. Following it up with BS negative feedback is ridiculous, considering the past trades. I'm curious did they delete positive feedback from the trade? I ask because I saw your feedback for them.

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The "I reserve the right to cancel this auction at any time for no reason whatsoever" does not belong here. In the future if you include this in your list of auction rules, just click the little x in the top right of your browser before you hit "post".

As I see it, most people add this clause to secure themselves in case of something very problematic arising that requires the use of it. Most of the times such clauses are never used against common sense. But then when the clause is there, it can be used like Fattcatt did and it's technically alright. Due to social standards around here, not so alright.

So it's a double edged sword. Maybe it's best that we use common sense here, like with anything else. I wouldn't mind someone canceling an auction for no reason, using the clause, once. After this the auctioneer must learn that it's not OK to do it, with or without the clause. So when it happens second time.... is what happened here.



Find me another person that adds this clause. You won't find it, I added that clause to one of my auctions claiming that other people do it. And I went thur every auction thread here 5 pages deep and couldn't find one example.

I've definitely read it because I know I didn't come up with the wording on my own. But there isn't a regular here that uses it. The last one I can remember was an auction for a coin loaded with 1million doge or it's face value was 1 million doge.


When I added that clause to my auction I got no bids and had to re auction it without that clause

There are people who use such or similar clauses. For example, I've recently started to include such (or similar) clause in my auctions, where I can technically disqualify any bids. Similar can be seen in e.g. Lesbian Cow's auctions as "I may exclude/disqualify bidders, or require a deposit, for any bidders at my sole discretion.". (If all bidders were to be disqualified, that'd be same as cancelling an auction, and you could actually see LC's clause as even broader than one that only reserves right to cancel the auction.)

There's a huge difference between disqualifying bidders to prevent newbi shills from ruining every auction by bidding and than not paying and persevering the right to cancel the auction at anytime. They are two separate things in my book.

Having the clause to disqualify bidders actually helps everyone in the long run while having the right to cancel the auction only helps the auctioner

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There's a huge difference between disqualifying bidders to prevent newbi shills from ruining every auction by bidding and than not paying and persevering the right to cancel the auction at anytime. They are two separate things in my book.

Having the clause to disqualify bidders actually helps everyone in the long run while having the right to cancel the auction only helps the auctioner

The difference is in using common sense versus appealing to a clause. Doesn't matter what the clause is if common sense is used. (As I explained, then the clause is there just for problematic cases, as a backup.)
And if common sense is not used, the clause used by LC actually is much broader, and it enables much weirder and worse outcomes if used without common sense.

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April 09, 2019, 09:17:15 PM
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While the item/auction was above my paygrade here. I wouldn't focus on trying to tweak the rules or accepted practices that seem to work for most users here without apparent abuse. Perhaps instead just change how auctions hosted by Fattcatt are approached.

Impose your own stipulations for participating in their auctions. For example - Item to be held in Escrow. No cancellation policy.
The key would be to impose only enough rules to ensure your time isn't being wasted.

Apart from that it does seem like a shitty way and reason to pull an auction out, considering someone had already bid and shown interest. Following it up with BS negative feedback is ridiculous, considering the past trades. I'm curious did they delete positive feedback from the trade? I ask because I saw your feedback for them.
Not even sure, they slack big time when it comes to handing out trust.  Like I said, I have no idea what happened to them.  We had a few really good trades earlier, but I wasn't going to look the other way again.  

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To be fair, his second auction (the one in OP pic) does state that he reserves the right to cancel the auction at any time for any reason.

End of discussion. Is this shitty? Absolutely. Did you all agree to it by participating anyway? Absolutely. Solution? Simply don't transact with the user any more. If contracts don't protect even the shittiest among us, they protect none of us.

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Point made, going to lock this and let it die.  Unfortunate honestly.

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