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April 10, 2019, 08:21:28 PM
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Hi!

I'm the creator of DigiPiglets.com.

Kickstarter campaign live: click here

DigiPiglets are basically physical Bitcoins, sold as piggy banks to help people grasp the idea of saving money with Bitcoin. While most of us grew up using a computer, many people still don't know how the internet really works, what the possibilities are and what it can do for them. Bitcoin can be very complicated, but it doesn't have to be. We want to offer people a simple solution, something that people can collect and have fun with. Not for the sake of selling a lot of Bitcoin, for the sake of introducing newcomers to the topic. Here's an image:



There is more: We want to create a whole lot of other animals, some of which will be limited. The first two special editions will be a bear and a bull for all our investors out there Grin

Bull and Bear:

I'd love to hear what other animals you'd like to see.

How will we store the Bitcoin on the DigiPiglet?

We will create labels with concealed private keys, following the same security standards as banks use when they send pins. I'm working with an experienced software engineer, to have a program, that sends the labels to a printer and deletes its memory, and never displays the private keys to anyone. We'll be as transparent about the process as we can be without compromising security.

We also have another thread open in Bitcoin projects, check it out:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5101723.0

The DigiPiglet Journey - We're collecting for Venezuela, find the thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183158.0

Check out our social media channels for more infos and pictures:

Twitter:
https://twitter.com/DigiPiglets
Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/digipiglets/
Steemit:
https://steemit.com/@nate.french
Blog:
https://digipiglets.com/blogs/news

We also tried our luck on Reddit, but apparently, all they care about is Lambos and Memes Grin Maybe you guys want to give us a little upvote?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/bb235e/bitcoin_now_has_its_very_own_piggy_bank/

Let us know what you think!

THANKS FOR READING Smiley

Check out DigiPiglets Journey on DigiPiglets.com (https://digipiglets.com/pages/the-digipiglet-journey)
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What do you mean the same company that casascius is using Huh
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Thanks for the code, I've ordered one for the hell of it.

Wish there was a discount on the all 3 package would have bought that.

It's a novelty really, not anything amazing, it's a QR code stuck onto a plastic animal but none the less it's a fun way to get kids saving in BTC.

Once it's arrived I'll leave feedback on here accordingly, I'd be grateful if you could do the same!
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What do you mean the same company that casascius is using Huh

I presume he meant the same holo making company Casascius used in the past.

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April 10, 2019, 09:19:24 PM
Last edit: April 12, 2019, 11:58:15 AM by DigiPiglet
 #6

Thanks for the code, I've ordered one for the hell of it.

Wish there was a discount on the all 3 package would have bought that.

It's a novelty really, not anything amazing, it's a QR code stuck onto a plastic animal but none the less it's a fun way to get kids saving in BTC.

Once it's arrived I'll leave feedback on here accordingly, I'd be grateful if you could do the same!

Hell yeah! Thanks for the support Grin

You can use "earlybird" for a 20% discount on all items.

What do you mean the same company that casascius is using Huh

I presume he meant the same holo making company Casascius used in the past.

That's correct.

May I ask how and who is in charge of creating the public and private keys?

Edit: Do you sell any unloaded?

We will create the public and private keys, the company will print the labels and send them to us. The company has an interest in maintaining it's reputation, so you can be sure that your private keys won't be copied by them. They've been selling those labels for quite a few years now. EDIT: We will generate the keys, only get the hologram from the company.

We do sell unloaded Piglets as well, especially for our US customers. Just use "nocrypto" at checkout if you order one of the animals, or "nocryptobundle" if you're ordering the bundle. EDIT: The unloaded version will include the hologram label, without the private keys. You can create your own private keys and attach them with the hologram label.

Check out DigiPiglets Journey on DigiPiglets.com (https://digipiglets.com/pages/the-digipiglet-journey)
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We do sell unloaded Piglets as well, especially for our US customers. Just use "nocrypto" at checkout if you order one of the animals, or "nocryptobundle" if you're ordering the bundle.

Glad to hear that!

Please post your items in this thread of crypto collectables. You will be added on the link page as well. Goodluck

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107629.0


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No Cow?

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We do sell unloaded Piglets as well, especially for our US customers. Just use "nocrypto" at checkout if you order one of the animals, or "nocryptobundle" if you're ordering the bundle.

Glad to hear that!

Please post your items in this thread of crypto collectables. You will be added on the link page as well. Goodluck

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107629.0



Done, thanks for the hint Smiley

No Cow?

I'm sure we can find a lady for our bull?

I am also thinking about Pandas. And I'm pretty sure I won't be able to resist the urge to recreate this:

https://i.ibb.co/kX9tWXC/dp-doggo-idea.jpg

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Thanks for the code, I've ordered one for the hell of it.

Wish there was a discount on the all 3 package would have bought that.

It's a novelty really, not anything amazing, it's a QR code stuck onto a plastic animal but none the less it's a fun way to get kids saving in BTC.

Once it's arrived I'll leave feedback on here accordingly, I'd be grateful if you could do the same!

Hell yeah! Thanks for the support Grin

You can use "earlybird" for a 20% discount on all items.

What do you mean the same company that casascius is using Huh

I presume he meant the same holo making company Casascius used in the past.

That's correct.

May I ask how and who is in charge of creating the public and private keys?

Edit: Do you sell any unloaded?

We will create the public and private keys, the company will print the labels and send them to us. The company has an interest in maintaining it's reputation, so you can be sure that your private keys won't be copied by them. They've been selling those labels for quite a few years now.

We do sell unloaded Piglets as well, especially for our US customers. Just use "nocrypto" at checkout if you order one of the animals, or "nocryptobundle" if you're ordering the bundle.

Am I reading this right you are providing the private keys to a printing company?  Please tell me that is not the case.  Undecided




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Glad you found more traction in the collectibles section, OP! I knew you would, and great to see krogoth will add you to his impressively growing list of Bitcoin-related collectibles. I still haven't really even gone through the entire list meself but I've already become a sort of mini hoarder when it comes to collectibles, and need to wait til I get a permanent house before resuming the habit heh.

Good luck, as I said, add the engrave option and I'm definitely going to get 1 for a kid. Piggy banks are good mmkay?

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Am I reading this right you are providing the private keys to a printing company?  Please tell me that is not the case.  Undecided

If you don't trust us you can always order without crypto, throw away the label and create your own. The company is not just "a printing company". They're an experienced manufacturer of security labels for various purposes, with decades of experience. Both the company and my team have a perpetuating interest in making this work. Either way, you can't produce a product like this without putting some trust in someone, no way around there. EDIT: The private keys won't be shared, we're working on a solution to cut out any middlemen, ourselves included.

Glad you found more traction in the collectibles section, OP! I knew you would, and great to see krogoth will add you to his impressively growing list of Bitcoin-related collectibles. I still haven't really even gone through the entire list meself but I've already become a sort of mini hoarder when it comes to collectibles, and need to wait til I get a permanent house before resuming the habit heh.

Good luck, as I said, add the engrave option and I'm definitely going to get 1 for a kid. Piggy banks are good mmkay?

Thank you! Will look into it, if we can make it happen, we will. It got me thinking about some special features as well. Maybe we'll ship out a few piglets with some special features or anomalies Huh

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Let me know what other ideas you guys might have. We'll try to make this to be something special.

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Am I reading this right you are providing the private keys to a printing company?  Please tell me that is not the case.  Undecided

If you don't trust us you can always order without crypto, throw away the label and create your own. The company is not just "a printing company". They're an experienced manufacturer of security labels for various purposes, with decades of experience. Both the company and my team have a perpetuating interest in making this work. Either way, you can't produce a product like this without putting some trust in someone, no way around there.


  I am assuming when you say security labels it is the hologram you are referring to. Correct?

  Some food for though for you......

  As for the private and public key issue, which is a big deal for all of us....Why not have the purchaser submit their public key?

   This way you are never held liable for any crypto funded into the key under the hologram.


In other words, they create their own public and private key and just submit the public key to you?

 Or they can send you their hardware(trezor) or software (Mycelium) wallet public key if they do not want to bother in making a private and public key.

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Am I reading this right you are providing the private keys to a printing company?  Please tell me that is not the case.  Undecided

If you don't trust us you can always order without crypto, throw away the label and create your own. The company is not just "a printing company". They're an experienced manufacturer of security labels for various purposes, with decades of experience. Both the company and my team have a perpetuating interest in making this work. Either way, you can't produce a product like this without putting some trust in someone, no way around there.

Glad you found more traction in the collectibles section, OP! I knew you would, and great to see krogoth will add you to his impressively growing list of Bitcoin-related collectibles. I still haven't really even gone through the entire list meself but I've already become a sort of mini hoarder when it comes to collectibles, and need to wait til I get a permanent house before resuming the habit heh.

Good luck, as I said, add the engrave option and I'm definitely going to get 1 for a kid. Piggy banks are good mmkay?

Thank you! Will look into it, if we can make it happen, we will. It got me thinking about some special features as well. Maybe we'll ship out a few piglets with some special features or anomalies Huh

THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT GUYS, ONLY A FEW LUCKY10 COUPONS LEFT. EARLYBIRD FOR 20%!

Let me know what other ideas you guys might have. We'll try to make this to be something special.

You said that you send the PRIVATE keys to a printing company.  I'm sorry but if that's the case your OPSEC needs to be revisited.  If I misunderstood than all good.




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 I am assuming when you say security labels it is the hologram you are referring to. Correct?

  Some food for though for you......

  As for the private and public key issue, which is a big deal for all of us....Why not have the purchaser submit their public key?

   This way you are never held liable for any crypto funded into the key under the hologram.


In other words, they create their own public and private key and just submit the public key to you?

 Or they can send you their hardware(trezor) or software (Mycelium) wallet public key if they do not want to bother in making a private and public key.


Our labels will look something like the labels on Denarium coins:

Front: https://denarium.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Wallet_red2-1.jpg

Inside: https://denarium.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/denarium_build.jpg

The front label displays the amount, the private key is concealed till you peal the sticker off.

We could create simple labels that only display the public key without the inside, but if you wanted to be anonymous, you wouldn't want me to have the public key either. That information can still be used to your disadvantage. Moreover, if you make people provide their public keys, you'll lose everybody who doesn't know how to do that, which is who we are trying to convince to try out this new type of piggy bank + money system. EDIT: We're working on a solution to create the private keys in a concealed manner, or at least automate the process so that no human gets a glimpse at any private keys. Advice from printing specialists is well appreciated Grin

I guess the best way for skeptics is to just order the DigiPiglet without any crypto, and either throw away the label or use it as a decoy for your own keys (that don't match the front code). I guarantee you though, average Joe doesn't care about security, he wants easy! Grandma does not understand what private keys are, and John Doe does not have the time to "deal with all that computer stuff". This project is designed to make it easy as can be, so that all those people would buy DigiPiglets for their loved ones or themselves. We'll keep that premise in mind, while creating a solution that has a next level of security

You said that you send the PRIVATE keys to a printing company.  I'm sorry but if that's the case your OPSEC needs to be revisited.  If I misunderstood than all good.

Even if I made these labels myself, I would end up seeing your private keys. This applies to any project, I chose this method deliberately because there have been less reports about stolen physical Bitcoin, or compromised keys, than hacked exchanges, security issues with hardware wallets and all those things. If you want the masses to adopt Bitcoin, you have to create a method that they can use. Once users have to "generate" anything, it becomes a niche thing. Don't forget, this is supposed to be a piggy bank containing 10€, not your main wealth account. EDIT: Consider it done, we'll come up with a solution that gives us an extra layer of protection. However, we probably will never achieve 100% security. Any product that claims 100% security is a fraud.

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You said that you send the PRIVATE keys to a printing company.  I'm sorry but if that's the case your OPSEC needs to be revisited.  If I misunderstood than all good.

Even if I made these labels myself, I would end up seeing your private keys. This applies to any project, I chose this method deliberately because there have been less reports about stolen physical Bitcoin, or compromised keys, than hacked exchanges, security issues with hardware wallets and all those things. If you want the masses to adopt Bitcoin, you have to create a method that they can use. Once users have to "generate" anything, it becomes a niche thing. Don't forget, this is supposed to be a piggy bank containing 10€, not your main wealth account.

Though you are correct in theory, in practice you are exposing your company's name/reputation to unnecessary risk as opposed to internally generating these keys. It sure would be frustrating to have a theft happen due to a security flaw at the printing company - a variable that could have been well within your control.

Please dont take this as a flame, I'd like to see this product succeed and am offering a critique based on a flawed methodology that supposedly brought theft onto a now defunct coinmaker (Alitin).
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You said that you send the PRIVATE keys to a printing company.  I'm sorry but if that's the case your OPSEC needs to be revisited.  If I misunderstood than all good.

Even if I made these labels myself, I would end up seeing your private keys. This applies to any project, I chose this method deliberately because there have been less reports about stolen physical Bitcoin, or compromised keys, than hacked exchanges, security issues with hardware wallets and all those things. If you want the masses to adopt Bitcoin, you have to create a method that they can use. Once users have to "generate" anything, it becomes a niche thing. Don't forget, this is supposed to be a piggy bank containing 10€, not your main wealth account.

Though you are correct in theory, in practice you are exposing your company's name/reputation to unnecessary risk as opposed to internally generating these keys. It sure would be frustrating to have a theft happen due to a security flaw at the printing company - a variable that could have been well within your control.

Please dont take this as a flame, I'd like to see this product succeed and am offering a critique based on a flawed methodology that supposedly brought theft onto a now defunct coinmaker (Alitin).

This ^ also, if you are US based selling them previously loaded may run you a foul of anti-money laundering laws. Most companies require users to provide identity details and load them after delivery to get around this. A better model IMO would be to sell them unloaded and perhaps work out a deal with a 3rd party to load them if at all.

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 I am assuming when you say security labels it is the hologram you are referring to. Correct?

  Some food for though for you......

  As for the private and public key issue, which is a big deal for all of us....Why not have the purchaser submit their public key?

   This way you are never held liable for any crypto funded into the key under the hologram.


In other words, they create their own public and private key and just submit the public key to you?

 Or they can send you their hardware(trezor) or software (Mycelium) wallet public key if they do not want to bother in making a private and public key.


Our labels will look something like the labels on Denarium coins:

Front: https://denarium.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Wallet_red2-1.jpg

Inside: https://denarium.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/denarium_build.jpg

The front label displays the amount, the private key is concealed till you peal the sticker off.

We could create simple labels that only display the public key without the inside, but if you wanted to be anonymous, you wouldn't want me to have the public key either. That information can still be used to your disadvantage. Moreover, if you make people provide their public keys, you'll lose everybody who doesn't know how to do that, which is who we are trying to convince to try out this new type of piggy bank + money system.

I guess the best way is to just order the DigiPiglet without any crypto, throw away the label and create your own if you want to be entirely secure. I guarantee you though, average Joe doesn't care about security, he wants easy! Grandma does not understand what private keys are, and John Doe does not have the time to "deal with all that computer stuff". This project is designed to make it easy as can be, so that all those people would buy DigiPiglets for their loved ones or themselves. Also don't forget, that Casascius coins have been sold that way for years, Denarium coins are still being sold. It works!

You said that you send the PRIVATE keys to a printing company.  I'm sorry but if that's the case your OPSEC needs to be revisited.  If I misunderstood than all good.

Even if I made these labels myself, I would end up seeing your private keys. This applies to any project, I chose this method deliberately because there have been less reports about stolen physical Bitcoin, or compromised keys, than hacked exchanges, security issues with hardware wallets and all those things. If you want the masses to adopt Bitcoin, you have to create a method that they can use. Once users have to "generate" anything, it becomes a niche thing. Don't forget, this is supposed to be a piggy bank containing 10€, not your main wealth account.

I am sorry.  This is a cool little idea and great to give your little ones but I cant support this.  You are pushing accountability to someone else if something goes wrong.  While 10 doesn't seem like a large amount, what if you sold a 1,000 of these and a new hire at this company has copies of the keys.  Access now to $10,000.  I'm offering advise,dont outsource your private key printing.  Good luck with your project, it stands a good idea, just not the execution side.




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April 11, 2019, 11:47:27 PM
Last edit: April 12, 2019, 12:13:29 PM by DigiPiglet
 #20

Check out BIP38

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Totally forgot about this method, thanks for pointing it out.

Though you are correct in theory, in practice you are exposing your company's name/reputation to unnecessary risk as opposed to internally generating these keys. It sure would be frustrating to have a theft happen due to a security flaw at the printing company - a variable that could have been well within your control.

Please dont take this as a flame, I'd like to see this product succeed and am offering a critique based on a flawed methodology that supposedly brought theft onto a now defunct coinmaker (Alitin).

Would you consider the BIP38 encryption a proper measure in securing the keys?

I'd love to find the most secure method, while keeping it as simple as possible. I definitely appreciate your concerns!

We'll also use the opportunity and include a booklet or flyer with security instructions and information. People should be made aware of how much risk is associated with each method, so that they can allocate their funds accordingly.

I am sorry.  This is a cool little idea and great to give your little ones but I cant support this.  You are pushing accountability to someone else if something goes wrong.  While 10 doesn't seem like a large amount, what if you sold a 1,000 of these and a new hire at this company has copies of the keys.  Access now to $10,000.  I'm offering advise,dont outsource your private key printing.  Good luck with your project, it stands a good idea, just not the execution side.

I get your concerns, but does that mean you don't trust Casascius, Denarium etc. either? understood

BIP38 would be an option, but we'll try to generate and print the keys in a concealed manner first

And just in case someone missed it: we do sell them unfunded as well

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